Albion boss hits out at Buckley

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Albion boss Sami Hyypia has slammed Will Buckley's attitude during pre-season following the winger's £2.5 million move to Sunderland.

But he has calmed down about Burnley hijacking the deal for Stephen Ward.

Buckley completed his move to Sunderland yesterday and will be reunited with his former Albion boss Gus Poyet.

Hyypia said: "I have an idea that when somebody doesn't want to play for you or be there for you then it's better to move on.

"Before I came I heard about players here and Will Buckley was one of the best rated players here.

"I don't know what was wrong with him all pre-season but he didn't really show why everybody was raving.

"I don't know if he knew that something was going to happen but I don't think I'm the only one who saw he wasn't the same.

"I would have liked to have Will Buckley in top form helping us to get points in the league but that wasn't to be and the decision was made that he goes to Sunderland."

The Argus website revealed last night that Burnley have snatched Ward away from Albion's grasp after they had agreed a fee with Wolves and the player had agreed personal terms for his return to the Amex.

The Republic of Ireland left-back, on loan last season, was due at the Amex yesterday afternoon for his medical but turned around when news reached him of a much bigger offer from Burnley.

Hyypia and members of the Albion hierarchy were fuming last night by Ward's sudden U-turn but the Finn had calmed down by this morning.

He said in his pre-match conference for tomorrow's visit to Birmingham: "It's disappointing but that can happen in football. Worse things have happened and if Stephen Ward wants to play in the Premier League and doesn't want to come here it's okay.

"Everyone has their own opinions on what they want. If that's the case then it's okay."

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12:04pm Fri 15 Aug 14

SpadgeUK says...

So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again!

Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I??

Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!!
So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again! Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I?? Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!! SpadgeUK
  • Score: -56

12:04pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Portlock Seagull says...

Snooze you lose!
Snooze you lose! Portlock Seagull
  • Score: 3

12:10pm Fri 15 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

SpadgeUK wrote:
So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again!

Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I??

Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!!
ok I asked my self and the answer I got was, he had a chance at prem football on prem wages, so what question should I ask of myself next?
[quote][p][bold]SpadgeUK[/bold] wrote: So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again! Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I?? Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!![/p][/quote]ok I asked my self and the answer I got was, he had a chance at prem football on prem wages, so what question should I ask of myself next? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 42

12:11pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Portlock Seagull says...

SpadgeUK wrote:
So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again! Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I?? Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!!
Not exactly Edgar street '97 yet are we?

Transfer window shuts in two weeks and we'll have players in by then. It's just going to be a Season of consolidation and fight to stay in championship whilst we all adjust to FFP. Poyets leftovers have all but gone now so Sami has 2-3 years to build a new team and then mount a challenge like Gus's team did. Hopefully we'll not lose too many players and managers to the all sapping Premiership where half decent players go to die but do so in enormous wealth. Buckley, Ward, Ulloa, Barnes and Bridcutt to name a few...
[quote][p][bold]SpadgeUK[/bold] wrote: So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again! Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I?? Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!![/p][/quote]Not exactly Edgar street '97 yet are we? Transfer window shuts in two weeks and we'll have players in by then. It's just going to be a Season of consolidation and fight to stay in championship whilst we all adjust to FFP. Poyets leftovers have all but gone now so Sami has 2-3 years to build a new team and then mount a challenge like Gus's team did. Hopefully we'll not lose too many players and managers to the all sapping Premiership where half decent players go to die but do so in enormous wealth. Buckley, Ward, Ulloa, Barnes and Bridcutt to name a few... Portlock Seagull
  • Score: 23

12:12pm Fri 15 Aug 14

tug509 says...

Good to hear from The Boss ,I hope we continue to get his feelings and input ,even if they aren`t good news ,at least he is speaking to us . UTA
Good to hear from The Boss ,I hope we continue to get his feelings and input ,even if they aren`t good news ,at least he is speaking to us . UTA tug509
  • Score: 75

12:13pm Fri 15 Aug 14

challster says...

I had my suspicions sadly re Buckley. Great player did some good stuff here at our club. However you have to say that players outgoing are remnants of the Poyet era, which changed when a certain DB arrived. It's a shame that we have lost such good players. Who could have played for us under Sami, who is a great player and manager. However whoever has upset Poyet and Oscar. Has succeeded in upsetting a cattle cart of players.. For which reason should be called into question! I know we needed money as a club but surely we shouldn't have got rid of our quality before signing.. Alas whoever is in charge of this, has made some awful decisions at our club and is now paying .. As are we. UTA as ever from me but please sort this mess out !!!
And NOW!!!
I had my suspicions sadly re Buckley. Great player did some good stuff here at our club. However you have to say that players outgoing are remnants of the Poyet era, which changed when a certain DB arrived. It's a shame that we have lost such good players. Who could have played for us under Sami, who is a great player and manager. However whoever has upset Poyet and Oscar. Has succeeded in upsetting a cattle cart of players.. For which reason should be called into question! I know we needed money as a club but surely we shouldn't have got rid of our quality before signing.. Alas whoever is in charge of this, has made some awful decisions at our club and is now paying .. As are we. UTA as ever from me but please sort this mess out !!! And NOW!!! challster
  • Score: 4

12:14pm Fri 15 Aug 14

JohnnyCrumplinFootballGenius says...

What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head.. JohnnyCrumplinFootballGenius
  • Score: 54

12:14pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Towner83 says...

I've been a season ticket holder since 1986 & I've seen the way we've progressed & it's been one hell of a journey and we are very lucky to be where we are.........but it doesn't mean the club should rest on its laurels because our dealings are becoming, quite frankly, embarrassing! I feel embarrassed for Sami more than anyone, what must he be thinking??? TB you need to take this club back by the scruff of its neck and quick please
I've been a season ticket holder since 1986 & I've seen the way we've progressed & it's been one hell of a journey and we are very lucky to be where we are.........but it doesn't mean the club should rest on its laurels because our dealings are becoming, quite frankly, embarrassing! I feel embarrassed for Sami more than anyone, what must he be thinking??? TB you need to take this club back by the scruff of its neck and quick please Towner83
  • Score: 75

12:17pm Fri 15 Aug 14

B-hove says...

How about a free transfer for the demon Barber of Falmer Street? There must be another up-and-coming club he could strip bare, surely?

The photo of him in most of last season’s match-day programmes was an omen. There he sat surrounded by empty seats at the Amex, as he gazed loving into the distance, deep in thought of the next sacking. It’s all coming true.
How about a free transfer for the demon Barber of Falmer Street? There must be another up-and-coming club he could strip bare, surely? The photo of him in most of last season’s match-day programmes was an omen. There he sat surrounded by empty seats at the Amex, as he gazed loving into the distance, deep in thought of the next sacking. It’s all coming true. B-hove
  • Score: 2

12:17pm Fri 15 Aug 14

amexarena says...

Lurching from one chaotic moment to another right now - the club has completely messed up the recruitment policy and the current period is beginning to make last summer look like the height of good organisation. Next disaster has to be Hyypia saying "I've had enough of this nonsense". Yes, FFP, blah blah blah, but does it really need to be so rigidly enforced that our League One quality squad will soon be playing to cavernous stands in our "premier league ready" facilities. Season ticket holders who committed a long time ago are feeling pretty aggrieved right now. I know, I'm one of them - and if it had been clear that the best players would be sold and no genuine quality would be added, I would have taken my chances on a match by match basis. Good luck selling tickets next spring BHAFC.
Lurching from one chaotic moment to another right now - the club has completely messed up the recruitment policy and the current period is beginning to make last summer look like the height of good organisation. Next disaster has to be Hyypia saying "I've had enough of this nonsense". Yes, FFP, blah blah blah, but does it really need to be so rigidly enforced that our League One quality squad will soon be playing to cavernous stands in our "premier league ready" facilities. Season ticket holders who committed a long time ago are feeling pretty aggrieved right now. I know, I'm one of them - and if it had been clear that the best players would be sold and no genuine quality would be added, I would have taken my chances on a match by match basis. Good luck selling tickets next spring BHAFC. amexarena
  • Score: 28

12:19pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Neville says...

At least we still have a Manager as of today and no doubt Buckley and Poyet have been in constant touch privately over the past few weeks and nothing the Albion can do about that. What I cannot understand,unless no other teams want these players, why the board are happy to deal with Sunderland and Poyet after the falling out. They don't seem to be playing hard ball with any offers (Ulloas accepted) and when the boot is on the other foot we don't seem to be able to negotiate either.
GP must be enjoying, revenge is sweet.
At least we still have a Manager as of today and no doubt Buckley and Poyet have been in constant touch privately over the past few weeks and nothing the Albion can do about that. What I cannot understand,unless no other teams want these players, why the board are happy to deal with Sunderland and Poyet after the falling out. They don't seem to be playing hard ball with any offers (Ulloas accepted) and when the boot is on the other foot we don't seem to be able to negotiate either. GP must be enjoying, revenge is sweet. Neville
  • Score: -3

12:25pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Good to hear from The Boss ,I hope we continue to get his feelings and input ,even if they aren`t good news ,at least he is speaking to us . UTA
Agree on this at least someone from the club has made a statement.
Can see now why the club have tended to keep QT about players they are maybe interested in but it also shows how much comitment players have to clubs! over the last couple of weeks it seems they don't no what the word means!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Good to hear from The Boss ,I hope we continue to get his feelings and input ,even if they aren`t good news ,at least he is speaking to us . UTA[/p][/quote]Agree on this at least someone from the club has made a statement. Can see now why the club have tended to keep QT about players they are maybe interested in but it also shows how much comitment players have to clubs! over the last couple of weeks it seems they don't no what the word means! Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: 15

12:25pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Ontheline says...

Now you tell me what player wouldn't want the chance to play in the Premiership?
So here's the thing, as we know Will could have gone in January, the suits wouldn't let him. He didn't throw his dummy out like Bridcutt he got on with it, IMHO I believe Sammi's comments are unfair and unfounded, not professional at all. Sammi's obviously angry at what he has to deal with to get us within a shout of promotion, (the suits) slagging Will B is not the way to go Sammi, disgraceful.
Now you tell me what player wouldn't want the chance to play in the Premiership? So here's the thing, as we know Will could have gone in January, the suits wouldn't let him. He didn't throw his dummy out like Bridcutt he got on with it, IMHO I believe Sammi's comments are unfair and unfounded, not professional at all. Sammi's obviously angry at what he has to deal with to get us within a shout of promotion, (the suits) slagging Will B is not the way to go Sammi, disgraceful. Ontheline
  • Score: -65

12:31pm Fri 15 Aug 14

MileOakSEAGULL says...

I agree that if player doesn't want to be here then yes let him go for the best possible price..BUT HAVE A FOLLOW UP PLAN AND GET A SENSE OF URGENCY...PLEASE!
We all understand the difficulties what with FFP and regime changes and some players will follow their old manager out the door etc...
We have come a long way from almost not having a club to where we are now with 2 x top 6 finishes last 2 seasons, stadium, training ground etc..
I watched the game against Cheltenham and was not impressed, despite the win. We looked ragged and not really superior to a League 2 team..
I worry that we are going to suffer of we don' get a grip and make quality replacements. We have been so good in recent years picking up unknown talent and nurturing them - Ulloa, Bridcutt, Buckley to name but 3 of them. There are many more. If FFP is restricting us from paying a premium for established players then we should at least be getting in the former type players. This at least would be better than nothing....
SOS - SAVE OUR SEASON - TWO WEEKS..ITS NOT TOO LATE..
Rant over...
I agree that if player doesn't want to be here then yes let him go for the best possible price..BUT HAVE A FOLLOW UP PLAN AND GET A SENSE OF URGENCY...PLEASE! We all understand the difficulties what with FFP and regime changes and some players will follow their old manager out the door etc... We have come a long way from almost not having a club to where we are now with 2 x top 6 finishes last 2 seasons, stadium, training ground etc.. I watched the game against Cheltenham and was not impressed, despite the win. We looked ragged and not really superior to a League 2 team.. I worry that we are going to suffer of we don' get a grip and make quality replacements. We have been so good in recent years picking up unknown talent and nurturing them - Ulloa, Bridcutt, Buckley to name but 3 of them. There are many more. If FFP is restricting us from paying a premium for established players then we should at least be getting in the former type players. This at least would be better than nothing.... SOS - SAVE OUR SEASON - TWO WEEKS..ITS NOT TOO LATE.. Rant over... MileOakSEAGULL
  • Score: 6

12:33pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Piglet1 says...

JohnnyCrumplinFootba
llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think that is almost certain.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think that is almost certain. Piglet1
  • Score: 6

12:36pm Fri 15 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

Ontheline wrote:
Now you tell me what player wouldn't want the chance to play in the Premiership?
So here's the thing, as we know Will could have gone in January, the suits wouldn't let him. He didn't throw his dummy out like Bridcutt he got on with it, IMHO I believe Sammi's comments are unfair and unfounded, not professional at all. Sammi's obviously angry at what he has to deal with to get us within a shout of promotion, (the suits) slagging Will B is not the way to go Sammi, disgraceful.
Sorry, have to disagree - I thought that last season, in his infrequent appearances he was not the Buckley of old and, with respect, you haven't seen him train or been around the guy, but if Sami says his attitude was poor, then that's good enough for me. And finally, someone at the club speaks out.....shame he couldn't enlighten us on how we are progressing on recruitment.
[quote][p][bold]Ontheline[/bold] wrote: Now you tell me what player wouldn't want the chance to play in the Premiership? So here's the thing, as we know Will could have gone in January, the suits wouldn't let him. He didn't throw his dummy out like Bridcutt he got on with it, IMHO I believe Sammi's comments are unfair and unfounded, not professional at all. Sammi's obviously angry at what he has to deal with to get us within a shout of promotion, (the suits) slagging Will B is not the way to go Sammi, disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Sorry, have to disagree - I thought that last season, in his infrequent appearances he was not the Buckley of old and, with respect, you haven't seen him train or been around the guy, but if Sami says his attitude was poor, then that's good enough for me. And finally, someone at the club speaks out.....shame he couldn't enlighten us on how we are progressing on recruitment. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 45

12:38pm Fri 15 Aug 14

rolivan says...

JohnnyCrumplinFootba
llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
Same happened with Bridcutt they both seemed to pick up injuries preseason at least Will is off of the wage bill straight away unlike Liam who was paid until Jan even though he was 'injured'.On the positive side the club have clawed back their losses and so it is time to wipe your lips and start again . The Club has virtually started a new business and from Withdean to the Amex was a huge move . I would like to know what the wage bill was for the last year at Withdean.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]Same happened with Bridcutt they both seemed to pick up injuries preseason at least Will is off of the wage bill straight away unlike Liam who was paid until Jan even though he was 'injured'.On the positive side the club have clawed back their losses and so it is time to wipe your lips and start again . The Club has virtually started a new business and from Withdean to the Amex was a huge move . I would like to know what the wage bill was for the last year at Withdean. rolivan
  • Score: 10

12:38pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Ontheline wrote:
Now you tell me what player wouldn't want the chance to play in the Premiership?
So here's the thing, as we know Will could have gone in January, the suits wouldn't let him. He didn't throw his dummy out like Bridcutt he got on with it, IMHO I believe Sammi's comments are unfair and unfounded, not professional at all. Sammi's obviously angry at what he has to deal with to get us within a shout of promotion, (the suits) slagging Will B is not the way to go Sammi, disgraceful.
Yep.
Did he not sit down with him and ask him what was wrong? If he could see he wasn't focused, he should have intervened in an attempt to convince him his future was with us. Surely you don't just shrug your shoulders and then tell the world it's someone else's fault?
For me, it's a classic case of the manager protecting those above his head who made a financial decision. At least they're working as a team....
[quote][p][bold]Ontheline[/bold] wrote: Now you tell me what player wouldn't want the chance to play in the Premiership? So here's the thing, as we know Will could have gone in January, the suits wouldn't let him. He didn't throw his dummy out like Bridcutt he got on with it, IMHO I believe Sammi's comments are unfair and unfounded, not professional at all. Sammi's obviously angry at what he has to deal with to get us within a shout of promotion, (the suits) slagging Will B is not the way to go Sammi, disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Yep. Did he not sit down with him and ask him what was wrong? If he could see he wasn't focused, he should have intervened in an attempt to convince him his future was with us. Surely you don't just shrug your shoulders and then tell the world it's someone else's fault? For me, it's a classic case of the manager protecting those above his head who made a financial decision. At least they're working as a team.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -14

12:42pm Fri 15 Aug 14

rolivan says...

MileOakSEAGULL wrote:
I agree that if player doesn't want to be here then yes let him go for the best possible price..BUT HAVE A FOLLOW UP PLAN AND GET A SENSE OF URGENCY...PLEASE!
We all understand the difficulties what with FFP and regime changes and some players will follow their old manager out the door etc...
We have come a long way from almost not having a club to where we are now with 2 x top 6 finishes last 2 seasons, stadium, training ground etc..
I watched the game against Cheltenham and was not impressed, despite the win. We looked ragged and not really superior to a League 2 team..
I worry that we are going to suffer of we don' get a grip and make quality replacements. We have been so good in recent years picking up unknown talent and nurturing them - Ulloa, Bridcutt, Buckley to name but 3 of them. There are many more. If FFP is restricting us from paying a premium for established players then we should at least be getting in the former type players. This at least would be better than nothing....
SOS - SAVE OUR SEASON - TWO WEEKS..ITS NOT TOO LATE..
Rant over...
The thing is with the huge influx of foreign players coming there should be loads of British born players available where are they all Going?
[quote][p][bold]MileOakSEAGULL[/bold] wrote: I agree that if player doesn't want to be here then yes let him go for the best possible price..BUT HAVE A FOLLOW UP PLAN AND GET A SENSE OF URGENCY...PLEASE! We all understand the difficulties what with FFP and regime changes and some players will follow their old manager out the door etc... We have come a long way from almost not having a club to where we are now with 2 x top 6 finishes last 2 seasons, stadium, training ground etc.. I watched the game against Cheltenham and was not impressed, despite the win. We looked ragged and not really superior to a League 2 team.. I worry that we are going to suffer of we don' get a grip and make quality replacements. We have been so good in recent years picking up unknown talent and nurturing them - Ulloa, Bridcutt, Buckley to name but 3 of them. There are many more. If FFP is restricting us from paying a premium for established players then we should at least be getting in the former type players. This at least would be better than nothing.... SOS - SAVE OUR SEASON - TWO WEEKS..ITS NOT TOO LATE.. Rant over...[/p][/quote]The thing is with the huge influx of foreign players coming there should be loads of British born players available where are they all Going? rolivan
  • Score: -2

12:44pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Cory and Trevor says...

When you look at who's come and gone since he joined us, you have to feel for Hyppia. Add to that the last minute gazumpings of Sammy Lee - certainly his own choice of no.2 - and now Stephen Ward, i shouldn't wonder if Hyppia walks before long. Not pessimism, realism.
When you look at who's come and gone since he joined us, you have to feel for Hyppia. Add to that the last minute gazumpings of Sammy Lee - certainly his own choice of no.2 - and now Stephen Ward, i shouldn't wonder if Hyppia walks before long. Not pessimism, realism. Cory and Trevor
  • Score: 8

12:46pm Fri 15 Aug 14

JeffLomer says...

Buckley heart was never at the club when Poyet left!!

Saints coming in for March 4million!!
Buckley heart was never at the club when Poyet left!! Saints coming in for March 4million!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -10

12:56pm Fri 15 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

Glad to hear someone at the club speaking out but I'd hardly call it "Breaking News". Brighton sign player, now that'd be Breaking News!!
Glad to hear someone at the club speaking out but I'd hardly call it "Breaking News". Brighton sign player, now that'd be Breaking News!! AlanDuffy
  • Score: 6

12:58pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Robertostarlight says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
SpadgeUK wrote:
So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again!

Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I??

Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!!
ok I asked my self and the answer I got was, he had a chance at prem football on prem wages, so what question should I ask of myself next?
Perhaps the question to ask yourself next should be:

'Why do I constantly continue, (presumably from afar if your name is relative to your place of residence), to defend the indefensible, (and undefendable), against concerned criticism from those who have paid 'upfront' to see a team that is rapidly disappearing before their eyes without any serious attempt apparently being made to fill the 'quality' gaps.

They are allowed to criticise and frankly seem to have good reason at present.

'Blind faith' is just that. Better communication from the 'powers that be' may well aleviate the amount of criticism and explain the club's position, but their silence is both dismissive and insulting to those who wish to support the team.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpadgeUK[/bold] wrote: So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again! Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I?? Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!![/p][/quote]ok I asked my self and the answer I got was, he had a chance at prem football on prem wages, so what question should I ask of myself next?[/p][/quote]Perhaps the question to ask yourself next should be: 'Why do I constantly continue, (presumably from afar if your name is relative to your place of residence), to defend the indefensible, (and undefendable), against concerned criticism from those who have paid 'upfront' to see a team that is rapidly disappearing before their eyes without any serious attempt apparently being made to fill the 'quality' gaps. They are allowed to criticise and frankly seem to have good reason at present. 'Blind faith' is just that. Better communication from the 'powers that be' may well aleviate the amount of criticism and explain the club's position, but their silence is both dismissive and insulting to those who wish to support the team. Robertostarlight
  • Score: 5

12:59pm Fri 15 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Cory and Trevor wrote:
When you look at who's come and gone since he joined us, you have to feel for Hyppia. Add to that the last minute gazumpings of Sammy Lee - certainly his own choice of no.2 - and now Stephen Ward, i shouldn't wonder if Hyppia walks before long. Not pessimism, realism.
I can't see any reason what so ever for Sami to walk, the fact is we had some gems and now we don't, but that would have been the situation no matter who became our manager. Hyypia is no fool, I am sure that he understands that crap happens and you just have to deal with it.
Bloom will back Sami, he has to for if he doesn't then yeah Sami might call it a day and Bloom can't allow that to happen. Players will arrive, and yep we might have to up our offers to get them but if that is the case then it will be done.
A manager is only as good as his Chairman, if the Chairman doesn't see the problems then the manager has no chance. Bloom is aware of how the squad is looking, and he is aware that the squad is lacking, I odn't believe that Bloom will hang Hyypia out to dry, that would not reflect well on the club or Bloom, in fact it would kill off any chance we have of getting a new quality manager to replace Sami if he did walk.
[quote][p][bold]Cory and Trevor[/bold] wrote: When you look at who's come and gone since he joined us, you have to feel for Hyppia. Add to that the last minute gazumpings of Sammy Lee - certainly his own choice of no.2 - and now Stephen Ward, i shouldn't wonder if Hyppia walks before long. Not pessimism, realism.[/p][/quote]I can't see any reason what so ever for Sami to walk, the fact is we had some gems and now we don't, but that would have been the situation no matter who became our manager. Hyypia is no fool, I am sure that he understands that crap happens and you just have to deal with it. Bloom will back Sami, he has to for if he doesn't then yeah Sami might call it a day and Bloom can't allow that to happen. Players will arrive, and yep we might have to up our offers to get them but if that is the case then it will be done. A manager is only as good as his Chairman, if the Chairman doesn't see the problems then the manager has no chance. Bloom is aware of how the squad is looking, and he is aware that the squad is lacking, I odn't believe that Bloom will hang Hyypia out to dry, that would not reflect well on the club or Bloom, in fact it would kill off any chance we have of getting a new quality manager to replace Sami if he did walk. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 11

1:00pm Fri 15 Aug 14

O'Grady says says...

Thumbs up if you're sick of all this negativity! Every morning I wake up anticipating new signings, positive comments from management and news indicating that the club is making progress. Whatever the philosophy underpinning the actions of the 'suits', it has resulted in the loss of two top-flight managers in consecutive seasons, an exodus of quality players and total disillusionment of erstwhile faithful and long-suffering fans. Of course football is a business and as we've seen elsewhere, if the club is not managed with sensible economics, then it has disastrous consequences. But it is an entertainment industry and the fans that support the club deserve more respect from TB etc. Please rescue the situation Mr Chairman by offering an honest explanation of recent events to your loyal fans and splashing some cash to reinforce a squad of players that is currently well short of requirements for a Championship club. Continued deafening silence will surely adversely affect the morale of players and manager who will want to join the queue exiting the club.
Thumbs up if you're sick of all this negativity! Every morning I wake up anticipating new signings, positive comments from management and news indicating that the club is making progress. Whatever the philosophy underpinning the actions of the 'suits', it has resulted in the loss of two top-flight managers in consecutive seasons, an exodus of quality players and total disillusionment of erstwhile faithful and long-suffering fans. Of course football is a business and as we've seen elsewhere, if the club is not managed with sensible economics, then it has disastrous consequences. But it is an entertainment industry and the fans that support the club deserve more respect from TB etc. Please rescue the situation Mr Chairman by offering an honest explanation of recent events to your loyal fans and splashing some cash to reinforce a squad of players that is currently well short of requirements for a Championship club. Continued deafening silence will surely adversely affect the morale of players and manager who will want to join the queue exiting the club. O'Grady says
  • Score: 30

1:07pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

Piglet1 wrote:
JohnnyCrumplinFootba

llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think that is almost certain.
And your point is?
[quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think that is almost certain.[/p][/quote]And your point is? dave from bexill
  • Score: -10

1:14pm Fri 15 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

Statement from the chairman " The club has recently sold 2 of our best players who wanted to leave and regretfully we have allowed them to go. A substantial some of money has been raised from these sales and in the next 2 weeks I can assure supporters that we will be bringing new faces, we ask for their patience until the deals can be concluded. I can also reassure supporters that we will not be selling any more players, despite rumours to the contrary and that I am in daily contact with the manager, who understands the situation and is looking forward to working with our revamped squad. I appreciate the patience of all supporters of BHAFC who have stood by us in what has been a difficult pre-season."
Statement from the chairman " The club has recently sold 2 of our best players who wanted to leave and regretfully we have allowed them to go. A substantial some of money has been raised from these sales and in the next 2 weeks I can assure supporters that we will be bringing new faces, we ask for their patience until the deals can be concluded. I can also reassure supporters that we will not be selling any more players, despite rumours to the contrary and that I am in daily contact with the manager, who understands the situation and is looking forward to working with our revamped squad. I appreciate the patience of all supporters of BHAFC who have stood by us in what has been a difficult pre-season." AlanDuffy
  • Score: 10

1:17pm Fri 15 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Robertostarlight wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
SpadgeUK wrote:
So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again!

Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I??

Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!!
ok I asked my self and the answer I got was, he had a chance at prem football on prem wages, so what question should I ask of myself next?
Perhaps the question to ask yourself next should be:

'Why do I constantly continue, (presumably from afar if your name is relative to your place of residence), to defend the indefensible, (and undefendable), against concerned criticism from those who have paid 'upfront' to see a team that is rapidly disappearing before their eyes without any serious attempt apparently being made to fill the 'quality' gaps.

They are allowed to criticise and frankly seem to have good reason at present.

'Blind faith' is just that. Better communication from the 'powers that be' may well aleviate the amount of criticism and explain the club's position, but their silence is both dismissive and insulting to those who wish to support the team.
Blind faith, no not exactly that, I would say that I am trying to take a more pragmatic approach. Ward got a chance to play in the prem, even if only as a cover player, and he took his chance, there was, and is, nothing we could do about that.
Could we have signed Ward earlier, maybe, but not for the figure so many were suggesting it would cost to have got him, 100K was the general number being floated, I even went to 150K, an article today tells of the fee being 500K, and that number changes the whole deal.

My faith is based on the simple fact that I do not believe that Bloom will allow us to falter, falter in a big way, he has too much invested in the club, and I don't just mean money, he is a fan and not just a Chairman.
Even if you only take a hard nose business approach to Brighton and Bloom, does it make sense for him to allow his massive investment fall by the wayside, would he not want to protect his money.

I think the outcome of the last few weeks will see Bloom get more involved, only he can sanction bids and tranfers so I would expect him to now rethink our budgets. Missing out on a few deals might actually now spur him into taking steps, steps that he might not otherwise have taken.
[quote][p][bold]Robertostarlight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpadgeUK[/bold] wrote: So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again! Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I?? Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!![/p][/quote]ok I asked my self and the answer I got was, he had a chance at prem football on prem wages, so what question should I ask of myself next?[/p][/quote]Perhaps the question to ask yourself next should be: 'Why do I constantly continue, (presumably from afar if your name is relative to your place of residence), to defend the indefensible, (and undefendable), against concerned criticism from those who have paid 'upfront' to see a team that is rapidly disappearing before their eyes without any serious attempt apparently being made to fill the 'quality' gaps. They are allowed to criticise and frankly seem to have good reason at present. 'Blind faith' is just that. Better communication from the 'powers that be' may well aleviate the amount of criticism and explain the club's position, but their silence is both dismissive and insulting to those who wish to support the team.[/p][/quote]Blind faith, no not exactly that, I would say that I am trying to take a more pragmatic approach. Ward got a chance to play in the prem, even if only as a cover player, and he took his chance, there was, and is, nothing we could do about that. Could we have signed Ward earlier, maybe, but not for the figure so many were suggesting it would cost to have got him, 100K was the general number being floated, I even went to 150K, an article today tells of the fee being 500K, and that number changes the whole deal. My faith is based on the simple fact that I do not believe that Bloom will allow us to falter, falter in a big way, he has too much invested in the club, and I don't just mean money, he is a fan and not just a Chairman. Even if you only take a hard nose business approach to Brighton and Bloom, does it make sense for him to allow his massive investment fall by the wayside, would he not want to protect his money. I think the outcome of the last few weeks will see Bloom get more involved, only he can sanction bids and tranfers so I would expect him to now rethink our budgets. Missing out on a few deals might actually now spur him into taking steps, steps that he might not otherwise have taken. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

1:18pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Far gull says...

Difficult to know what to think and believe about the club at present. But one thing is for sure. We should have got promoted under Gus. But i no think Barber and Burke / the whole structure is wrong.
If Tony Pulis can leave with Palace having money and after the job he did last season for not having it right then we fall into that same group of clubs ,sadly.
Gus and Oscar both said very similar things on departing and this transfer window has backed their thoughts up.
Only one way now they are sacked or the club goes further down hill.
Difficult to know what to think and believe about the club at present. But one thing is for sure. We should have got promoted under Gus. But i no think Barber and Burke / the whole structure is wrong. If Tony Pulis can leave with Palace having money and after the job he did last season for not having it right then we fall into that same group of clubs ,sadly. Gus and Oscar both said very similar things on departing and this transfer window has backed their thoughts up. Only one way now they are sacked or the club goes further down hill. Far gull
  • Score: 0

1:20pm Fri 15 Aug 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

JohnnyCrumplinFootba
llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out.

The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates.

What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction.

As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now.

Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability.

Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does!

Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now.

The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday!
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out. The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates. What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction. As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now. Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability. Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does! Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now. The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 18

1:27pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Cliify0002 says...

Have to say as far as I can see there is no ambition in the club left, no one wants to play here that's all that it's down too whether it's down to the way gus was sacked or the like it's been down hill all the way since. I personally don't think Burke has a clue and directors of football is never a good idea I give up now even bothering
Have to say as far as I can see there is no ambition in the club left, no one wants to play here that's all that it's down too whether it's down to the way gus was sacked or the like it's been down hill all the way since. I personally don't think Burke has a clue and directors of football is never a good idea I give up now even bothering Cliify0002
  • Score: 1

1:28pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Cory and Trevor wrote:
When you look at who's come and gone since he joined us, you have to feel for Hyppia. Add to that the last minute gazumpings of Sammy Lee - certainly his own choice of no.2 - and now Stephen Ward, i shouldn't wonder if Hyppia walks before long. Not pessimism, realism.
I can't see any reason what so ever for Sami to walk, the fact is we had some gems and now we don't, but that would have been the situation no matter who became our manager. Hyypia is no fool, I am sure that he understands that crap happens and you just have to deal with it.
Bloom will back Sami, he has to for if he doesn't then yeah Sami might call it a day and Bloom can't allow that to happen. Players will arrive, and yep we might have to up our offers to get them but if that is the case then it will be done.
A manager is only as good as his Chairman, if the Chairman doesn't see the problems then the manager has no chance. Bloom is aware of how the squad is looking, and he is aware that the squad is lacking, I odn't believe that Bloom will hang Hyypia out to dry, that would not reflect well on the club or Bloom, in fact it would kill off any chance we have of getting a new quality manager to replace Sami if he did walk.
I think you've effectively agreed with C&T in your second paragraph.
If the club back Sami then of course he has no reason to walk, but at the moment, the flow from long before his arrival, is pretty much one way traffic, so you have to wonder about his mindset.
It's not so much the departures per say, but the abject and constant failure in securing competitive replacements - several of whom were connected with the club on a long-term basis but still haven't arrived.
The bigger picture is of a club being drained of resource and on a downward curve.
Of course, there is still time, but with regular - and public - failure punching us on the nose, it's natural for the fans and perhaps the manager, to ask serious questions.
When TB spoke at the forum of fans being satisfied with the squad by the end of August, there were 25 days of the window to go. Now there are 16. That's 36% of available time since he spoke without any additions, two failures (that we know of) and one departure.
It's not good is it?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cory and Trevor[/bold] wrote: When you look at who's come and gone since he joined us, you have to feel for Hyppia. Add to that the last minute gazumpings of Sammy Lee - certainly his own choice of no.2 - and now Stephen Ward, i shouldn't wonder if Hyppia walks before long. Not pessimism, realism.[/p][/quote]I can't see any reason what so ever for Sami to walk, the fact is we had some gems and now we don't, but that would have been the situation no matter who became our manager. Hyypia is no fool, I am sure that he understands that crap happens and you just have to deal with it. Bloom will back Sami, he has to for if he doesn't then yeah Sami might call it a day and Bloom can't allow that to happen. Players will arrive, and yep we might have to up our offers to get them but if that is the case then it will be done. A manager is only as good as his Chairman, if the Chairman doesn't see the problems then the manager has no chance. Bloom is aware of how the squad is looking, and he is aware that the squad is lacking, I odn't believe that Bloom will hang Hyypia out to dry, that would not reflect well on the club or Bloom, in fact it would kill off any chance we have of getting a new quality manager to replace Sami if he did walk.[/p][/quote]I think you've effectively agreed with C&T in your second paragraph. If the club back Sami then of course he has no reason to walk, but at the moment, the flow from long before his arrival, is pretty much one way traffic, so you have to wonder about his mindset. It's not so much the departures per say, but the abject and constant failure in securing competitive replacements - several of whom were connected with the club on a long-term basis but still haven't arrived. The bigger picture is of a club being drained of resource and on a downward curve. Of course, there is still time, but with regular - and public - failure punching us on the nose, it's natural for the fans and perhaps the manager, to ask serious questions. When TB spoke at the forum of fans being satisfied with the squad by the end of August, there were 25 days of the window to go. Now there are 16. That's 36% of available time since he spoke without any additions, two failures (that we know of) and one departure. It's not good is it? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

1:29pm Fri 15 Aug 14

ash696 says...

Buckley's probably doubled / trebled his wages. He'd be mad not to want to go and sign that contract, no sensible person can blame him for that. And forget about 'loyalty to the fans' and all that guff, money talks.

As for Brighton selling their best players, this Buckley senario highlights how you cannot keep onto wantaway players when they are offered telephone number salaries in the Premier league. Also, TB has put a fortune into the Albion and no fair minded person can blame him if he wants to balance the books afetr shelling out over £100'000'000. Surely you would want the club to break even after setting the club up?

Fans complaining about the board's leadership are welcome to earn hundreds of millions of pounds and put their money where their mouths are. Remember where we came from.
Buckley's probably doubled / trebled his wages. He'd be mad not to want to go and sign that contract, no sensible person can blame him for that. And forget about 'loyalty to the fans' and all that guff, money talks. As for Brighton selling their best players, this Buckley senario highlights how you cannot keep onto wantaway players when they are offered telephone number salaries in the Premier league. Also, TB has put a fortune into the Albion and no fair minded person can blame him if he wants to balance the books afetr shelling out over £100'000'000. Surely you would want the club to break even after setting the club up? Fans complaining about the board's leadership are welcome to earn hundreds of millions of pounds and put their money where their mouths are. Remember where we came from. ash696
  • Score: 11

1:30pm Fri 15 Aug 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Neville wrote:
At least we still have a Manager as of today and no doubt Buckley and Poyet have been in constant touch privately over the past few weeks and nothing the Albion can do about that. What I cannot understand,unless no other teams want these players, why the board are happy to deal with Sunderland and Poyet after the falling out. They don't seem to be playing hard ball with any offers (Ulloas accepted) and when the boot is on the other foot we don't seem to be able to negotiate either.
GP must be enjoying, revenge is sweet.
You can't play 'hard ball' when you don't have them to play. These guys have no 'b****' they are ego men with their heads up their own backsides.

I read the hierarchy are 'fuming' at Burnley and Ward! What a joke. Come on and grow up. If you want to play clever penny pinching nonsense and allow players to go the whole close season to avoid paying their wages and asking fee as you have done with Ward (and others I guess) - then you get what you've deserved. Everything is a lesson life will have you learn. I hope these guys have learned some real hard lessons by now. Another one is that Tony Bloom does not 'own' the football club. He might own the buildings but he'll never own a club and anyone who believes they do will head for trouble in the end.

Football Clubs are meant to be held in 'trust' for the benefit of the community. Remember that please!
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: At least we still have a Manager as of today and no doubt Buckley and Poyet have been in constant touch privately over the past few weeks and nothing the Albion can do about that. What I cannot understand,unless no other teams want these players, why the board are happy to deal with Sunderland and Poyet after the falling out. They don't seem to be playing hard ball with any offers (Ulloas accepted) and when the boot is on the other foot we don't seem to be able to negotiate either. GP must be enjoying, revenge is sweet.[/p][/quote]You can't play 'hard ball' when you don't have them to play. These guys have no 'b****' they are ego men with their heads up their own backsides. I read the hierarchy are 'fuming' at Burnley and Ward! What a joke. Come on and grow up. If you want to play clever penny pinching nonsense and allow players to go the whole close season to avoid paying their wages and asking fee as you have done with Ward (and others I guess) - then you get what you've deserved. Everything is a lesson life will have you learn. I hope these guys have learned some real hard lessons by now. Another one is that Tony Bloom does not 'own' the football club. He might own the buildings but he'll never own a club and anyone who believes they do will head for trouble in the end. Football Clubs are meant to be held in 'trust' for the benefit of the community. Remember that please! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 5

1:31pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

Amazing that all of this is going on at the club and the official website comes up with.
FERRET'S BIRMINGHAM TIPS 1 hour 20 minutes ago
WATCH ALBION V LEEDS UNITED IN HEINEKEN LOUNGE 19 hours ago
CHRISTMAS PARTIES EARLY BIRD OFFER 20 hours ago.
And that is all under the heading LATEST NEWS.
Do they still have an office at the Withdean????
Amazing that all of this is going on at the club and the official website comes up with. FERRET'S BIRMINGHAM TIPS 1 hour 20 minutes ago WATCH ALBION V LEEDS UNITED IN HEINEKEN LOUNGE 19 hours ago CHRISTMAS PARTIES EARLY BIRD OFFER 20 hours ago. And that is all under the heading LATEST NEWS. Do they still have an office at the Withdean???? Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: 9

1:39pm Fri 15 Aug 14

AlastairWatts says...

...and there's me thinking he didn't have a spine: at last he gets up and speaks his mind. A bit more of that and we might all start believing (again).....
...and there's me thinking he didn't have a spine: at last he gets up and speaks his mind. A bit more of that and we might all start believing (again)..... AlastairWatts
  • Score: 5

1:42pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Amazing that all of this is going on at the club and the official website comes up with.
FERRET'S BIRMINGHAM TIPS 1 hour 20 minutes ago
WATCH ALBION V LEEDS UNITED IN HEINEKEN LOUNGE 19 hours ago
CHRISTMAS PARTIES EARLY BIRD OFFER 20 hours ago.
And that is all under the heading LATEST NEWS.
Do they still have an office at the Withdean????
Agreed.
I also find it incredible that the only words from the Chairman on Buckley were to thank him for his service and for some great moments.
Surely there was an opportunity to say we wanted him to stay but he had a chance of PL football and we couldn't stand in the way of a player who wanted to take his chance? That would have been reasonable and he could then have loosely reflected the ongoing quest (and determination) to re-invest.
Instead, it was a pallid, irrelevant response that wasted a chance to spread a bit of self-centre BHA optimism. I just think that's poor.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Amazing that all of this is going on at the club and the official website comes up with. FERRET'S BIRMINGHAM TIPS 1 hour 20 minutes ago WATCH ALBION V LEEDS UNITED IN HEINEKEN LOUNGE 19 hours ago CHRISTMAS PARTIES EARLY BIRD OFFER 20 hours ago. And that is all under the heading LATEST NEWS. Do they still have an office at the Withdean????[/p][/quote]Agreed. I also find it incredible that the only words from the Chairman on Buckley were to thank him for his service and for some great moments. Surely there was an opportunity to say we wanted him to stay but he had a chance of PL football and we couldn't stand in the way of a player who wanted to take his chance? That would have been reasonable and he could then have loosely reflected the ongoing quest (and determination) to re-invest. Instead, it was a pallid, irrelevant response that wasted a chance to spread a bit of self-centre BHA optimism. I just think that's poor. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 7

1:43pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Chi Gull says...

There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA.

On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.
There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA. On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season. Chi Gull
  • Score: 16

1:43pm Fri 15 Aug 14

shotseagull says...

well sami you might have to get your boots out and dust them down the way things are going
well sami you might have to get your boots out and dust them down the way things are going shotseagull
  • Score: 7

1:46pm Fri 15 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

Chi Gull wrote:
There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA.

On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.
Sensible, intelligent post, thank you
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA. On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.[/p][/quote]Sensible, intelligent post, thank you AlanDuffy
  • Score: 9

1:47pm Fri 15 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

The Southampton Echo are running a story that flatly denies any Saints interest in Solly March, so we can forget about that one.
The Southampton Echo are running a story that flatly denies any Saints interest in Solly March, so we can forget about that one. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 12

1:50pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Aye Aye says...

Unfortunately, this is football in the modern era. You're a player under contract to a club but have your head turned by the kudos of playing in a higher league and/or the prospect of greater riches. Throw your toys out of the pram, pout and quiver your lower lip and, bob's your uncle - you get your move. Sadly, there is little or no integrity in big business and loyalty comes at a price. It would be naive to assume it is any other way but, to ensure your club is not the victim of this, you have to be the one turning heads by offering best-in-class terms with the opportunity to play in the upper echelons. On the evidence of what I have read so far, it would seem to me that we only tick one of those boxes and our player acquisition strategy needs a revisit. I would gladly pay (yet) another few pence on my pre-match pie-and-a-pint if I could take my seat in the Lower West Stand and watch quality football in blue-and-white stripes; but we're only two weeks away from my wish being nothing more than a pipe dream.

Come on Tony, I'm keeping the faith here but you really do need to give me something to warm the old cockles - please!!!

UTA
Unfortunately, this is football in the modern era. You're a player under contract to a club but have your head turned by the kudos of playing in a higher league and/or the prospect of greater riches. Throw your toys out of the pram, pout and quiver your lower lip and, bob's your uncle - you get your move. Sadly, there is little or no integrity in big business and loyalty comes at a price. It would be naive to assume it is any other way but, to ensure your club is not the victim of this, you have to be the one turning heads by offering best-in-class terms with the opportunity to play in the upper echelons. On the evidence of what I have read so far, it would seem to me that we only tick one of those boxes and our player acquisition strategy needs a revisit. I would gladly pay (yet) another few pence on my pre-match pie-and-a-pint if I could take my seat in the Lower West Stand and watch quality football in blue-and-white stripes; but we're only two weeks away from my wish being nothing more than a pipe dream. Come on Tony, I'm keeping the faith here but you really do need to give me something to warm the old cockles - please!!! UTA Aye Aye
  • Score: 6

1:56pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Aye Aye says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The Southampton Echo are running a story that flatly denies any Saints interest in Solly March, so we can forget about that one.
Yes, it looks like it's open season on the Albion insofar as the press are concerned VS.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Southampton Echo are running a story that flatly denies any Saints interest in Solly March, so we can forget about that one.[/p][/quote]Yes, it looks like it's open season on the Albion insofar as the press are concerned VS. Aye Aye
  • Score: 4

1:56pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Tommy11 says...

Alarm bells have been ringing for a while now. Most sensible fans knew that things were going badly when the appointment of a new manager came down to a two horse rate between Hyppia and Fred Hantz. They could seriously have never been first choice? Either the club just want a ‘Yes’ Man who has no personality, or that the club did try to bring in your Sherwood’s & Hughton’s but were unsuccessful due to the circus going on upstairs.

Either way, we are a complete shambles. It is no exaggeration when I say it’s starting to resemble the shambles of the 90’s – the only difference is that we have a nice shiny ground and training ground and live in a commercial enterprise. The fact is we have a D**k Head Chief Executive, Board members that just k**s the Chairman’s A**e (Again Ray Bloom is present – does anyone else see a pattern emerging here?) and manifesto of selling our best players – and replacing them with rubbish – what I like to call the ‘Mike Small/ Mark Farrington syndrome’.

The club desperately needs some passion in this club. From the Chairman down to the Manager and his staff. We have none whatsoever and it’s a joke. Dick Knight had no money at all – yet time and time again he managed to get managers and players well out of our league & budget – why? –because the man was a top negotiator and he had total passion for BHA. Bloom is nowhere near this, and its extremely frustrating as he has the tools – Dick never had this.

The club needs to start telling us what is going on, and what the ‘Plan’ is. It’s no good saying we going to have a competitive squad to finish in the top 6 – as we clearly do not!! I am sick and tired of the club just saying the same monotone comments week and week out – which have no substance at all. It’s not good enough.

Barber & Co are trying to suck the life out of us fans, and it has to stop – we have been through a lot us BHA fans and the board need to be made aware of this, starting at Birmingham. It’s no good turning up in your replica shirts and clapping at a S**t pass from JFC – that’s what Barber wants.

Barber and Burke out!!! If Bloom can’t bring himself to do this, then he should walk too.
Alarm bells have been ringing for a while now. Most sensible fans knew that things were going badly when the appointment of a new manager came down to a two horse rate between Hyppia and Fred Hantz. They could seriously have never been first choice? Either the club just want a ‘Yes’ Man who has no personality, or that the club did try to bring in your Sherwood’s & Hughton’s but were unsuccessful due to the circus going on upstairs. Either way, we are a complete shambles. It is no exaggeration when I say it’s starting to resemble the shambles of the 90’s – the only difference is that we have a nice shiny ground and training ground and live in a commercial enterprise. The fact is we have a D**k Head Chief Executive, Board members that just k**s the Chairman’s A**e (Again Ray Bloom is present – does anyone else see a pattern emerging here?) and manifesto of selling our best players – and replacing them with rubbish – what I like to call the ‘Mike Small/ Mark Farrington syndrome’. The club desperately needs some passion in this club. From the Chairman down to the Manager and his staff. We have none whatsoever and it’s a joke. Dick Knight had no money at all – yet time and time again he managed to get managers and players well out of our league & budget – why? –because the man was a top negotiator and he had total passion for BHA. Bloom is nowhere near this, and its extremely frustrating as he has the tools – Dick never had this. The club needs to start telling us what is going on, and what the ‘Plan’ is. It’s no good saying we going to have a competitive squad to finish in the top 6 – as we clearly do not!! I am sick and tired of the club just saying the same monotone comments week and week out – which have no substance at all. It’s not good enough. Barber & Co are trying to suck the life out of us fans, and it has to stop – we have been through a lot us BHA fans and the board need to be made aware of this, starting at Birmingham. It’s no good turning up in your replica shirts and clapping at a S**t pass from JFC – that’s what Barber wants. Barber and Burke out!!! If Bloom can’t bring himself to do this, then he should walk too. Tommy11
  • Score: 8

2:01pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA.

On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.
Sensible, intelligent post, thank you
Hey, if that's the reality, then so be it. But the issue for many is the club's reluctance to communicate it adequately - or regularly - with the fans.
I have absolutely no issues with a sound business approach in this day and age, but giving us reasons for actions instead of pale platitude would work wonders.
You'll never please everyone with ANY response you give, so why not just tell it as it is?
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA. On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.[/p][/quote]Sensible, intelligent post, thank you[/p][/quote]Hey, if that's the reality, then so be it. But the issue for many is the club's reluctance to communicate it adequately - or regularly - with the fans. I have absolutely no issues with a sound business approach in this day and age, but giving us reasons for actions instead of pale platitude would work wonders. You'll never please everyone with ANY response you give, so why not just tell it as it is? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 8

2:05pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Seagulls via LCFC says...

Chris Wood was on his way to Wolves from Leicester until a last minute hitch. So why didn't we get him as part of the deal for Ulloa?
Chris Wood was on his way to Wolves from Leicester until a last minute hitch. So why didn't we get him as part of the deal for Ulloa? Seagulls via LCFC
  • Score: 7

2:08pm Fri 15 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

Agree we have to get on with it--always look forward never back!! Of course they were all fuming over Ward--who would not?? I said in a previous post that Buckley had to go quick once he had made his mind up--or Gus had made it for him, or he would have done a Bridcutt--Not in right frame of mind to play!!
As to what happens now?? Well I worked for a big company selling and once the upper Managers and directors saw that many guys were not selling, they got rid--hundreds of them and then left us guys who could sell and make money for the company.The same with OUR Club, I hope Bloom soon realises that whilst it is sometimes difficult, when things are tough it then proves who your good sellers are and at present, to me, it looks as someone or some people are not selling our club well enough to get them to sign on the dotted line, quickly before someone else comes in and takes the rug from under your feet --aka Burnely and MBoro
Good that Sammi has made a statement and proves his heart is still well and truly here. As to Buckers replacement---maybe they thought Clayton was that man?? and by then Buckers was a done deal.
Agree we have to get on with it--always look forward never back!! Of course they were all fuming over Ward--who would not?? I said in a previous post that Buckley had to go quick once he had made his mind up--or Gus had made it for him, or he would have done a Bridcutt--Not in right frame of mind to play!! As to what happens now?? Well I worked for a big company selling and once the upper Managers and directors saw that many guys were not selling, they got rid--hundreds of them and then left us guys who could sell and make money for the company.The same with OUR Club, I hope Bloom soon realises that whilst it is sometimes difficult, when things are tough it then proves who your good sellers are and at present, to me, it looks as someone or some people are not selling our club well enough to get them to sign on the dotted line, quickly before someone else comes in and takes the rug from under your feet --aka Burnely and MBoro Good that Sammi has made a statement and proves his heart is still well and truly here. As to Buckers replacement---maybe they thought Clayton was that man?? and by then Buckers was a done deal. mikeygit
  • Score: 4

2:11pm Fri 15 Aug 14

tug509 says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JohnnyCrumplinFootba

llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out.

The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates.

What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction.

As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now.

Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability.

Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does!

Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now.

The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday!
Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out. The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates. What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction. As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now. Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability. Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does! Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now. The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday![/p][/quote]Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door . tug509
  • Score: 10

2:26pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Alarm bells have been ringing for a while now. Most sensible fans knew that things were going badly when the appointment of a new manager came down to a two horse rate between Hyppia and Fred Hantz. They could seriously have never been first choice? Either the club just want a ‘Yes’ Man who has no personality, or that the club did try to bring in your Sherwood’s & Hughton’s but were unsuccessful due to the circus going on upstairs.

Either way, we are a complete shambles. It is no exaggeration when I say it’s starting to resemble the shambles of the 90’s – the only difference is that we have a nice shiny ground and training ground and live in a commercial enterprise. The fact is we have a D**k Head Chief Executive, Board members that just k**s the Chairman’s A**e (Again Ray Bloom is present – does anyone else see a pattern emerging here?) and manifesto of selling our best players – and replacing them with rubbish – what I like to call the ‘Mike Small/ Mark Farrington syndrome’.

The club desperately needs some passion in this club. From the Chairman down to the Manager and his staff. We have none whatsoever and it’s a joke. Dick Knight had no money at all – yet time and time again he managed to get managers and players well out of our league & budget – why? –because the man was a top negotiator and he had total passion for BHA. Bloom is nowhere near this, and its extremely frustrating as he has the tools – Dick never had this.

The club needs to start telling us what is going on, and what the ‘Plan’ is. It’s no good saying we going to have a competitive squad to finish in the top 6 – as we clearly do not!! I am sick and tired of the club just saying the same monotone comments week and week out – which have no substance at all. It’s not good enough.

Barber & Co are trying to suck the life out of us fans, and it has to stop – we have been through a lot us BHA fans and the board need to be made aware of this, starting at Birmingham. It’s no good turning up in your replica shirts and clapping at a S**t pass from JFC – that’s what Barber wants.

Barber and Burke out!!! If Bloom can’t bring himself to do this, then he should walk too.
Written with Passion
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: Alarm bells have been ringing for a while now. Most sensible fans knew that things were going badly when the appointment of a new manager came down to a two horse rate between Hyppia and Fred Hantz. They could seriously have never been first choice? Either the club just want a ‘Yes’ Man who has no personality, or that the club did try to bring in your Sherwood’s & Hughton’s but were unsuccessful due to the circus going on upstairs. Either way, we are a complete shambles. It is no exaggeration when I say it’s starting to resemble the shambles of the 90’s – the only difference is that we have a nice shiny ground and training ground and live in a commercial enterprise. The fact is we have a D**k Head Chief Executive, Board members that just k**s the Chairman’s A**e (Again Ray Bloom is present – does anyone else see a pattern emerging here?) and manifesto of selling our best players – and replacing them with rubbish – what I like to call the ‘Mike Small/ Mark Farrington syndrome’. The club desperately needs some passion in this club. From the Chairman down to the Manager and his staff. We have none whatsoever and it’s a joke. Dick Knight had no money at all – yet time and time again he managed to get managers and players well out of our league & budget – why? –because the man was a top negotiator and he had total passion for BHA. Bloom is nowhere near this, and its extremely frustrating as he has the tools – Dick never had this. The club needs to start telling us what is going on, and what the ‘Plan’ is. It’s no good saying we going to have a competitive squad to finish in the top 6 – as we clearly do not!! I am sick and tired of the club just saying the same monotone comments week and week out – which have no substance at all. It’s not good enough. Barber & Co are trying to suck the life out of us fans, and it has to stop – we have been through a lot us BHA fans and the board need to be made aware of this, starting at Birmingham. It’s no good turning up in your replica shirts and clapping at a S**t pass from JFC – that’s what Barber wants. Barber and Burke out!!! If Bloom can’t bring himself to do this, then he should walk too.[/p][/quote]Written with Passion dave from bexill
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Fri 15 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

Ontheline wrote:
Now you tell me what player wouldn't want the chance to play in the Premiership?
So here's the thing, as we know Will could have gone in January, the suits wouldn't let him. He didn't throw his dummy out like Bridcutt he got on with it, IMHO I believe Sammi's comments are unfair and unfounded, not professional at all. Sammi's obviously angry at what he has to deal with to get us within a shout of promotion, (the suits) slagging Will B is not the way to go Sammi, disgraceful.
I agree,good luck to Will at times he has been our shining light and has done more for us than Sami,up to present.I dont think slagging of is good for anyone.If Sami was offered double or treble pay in the Premiership would he worry about us? Its the Blues Bros he needs to be slagging of and now.
[quote][p][bold]Ontheline[/bold] wrote: Now you tell me what player wouldn't want the chance to play in the Premiership? So here's the thing, as we know Will could have gone in January, the suits wouldn't let him. He didn't throw his dummy out like Bridcutt he got on with it, IMHO I believe Sammi's comments are unfair and unfounded, not professional at all. Sammi's obviously angry at what he has to deal with to get us within a shout of promotion, (the suits) slagging Will B is not the way to go Sammi, disgraceful.[/p][/quote]I agree,good luck to Will at times he has been our shining light and has done more for us than Sami,up to present.I dont think slagging of is good for anyone.If Sami was offered double or treble pay in the Premiership would he worry about us? Its the Blues Bros he needs to be slagging of and now. pjwilk
  • Score: 5

2:27pm Fri 15 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JohnnyCrumplinFootba


llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out.

The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates.

What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction.

As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now.

Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability.

Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does!

Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now.

The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday!
Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .
With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money.
Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows.

Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out. The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates. What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction. As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now. Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability. Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does! Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now. The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday![/p][/quote]Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .[/p][/quote]With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money. Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows. Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 12

2:27pm Fri 15 Aug 14

SMF20 says...

I reckon we will sign someone today. Possibly someone will a Liverpool connection
I reckon we will sign someone today. Possibly someone will a Liverpool connection SMF20
  • Score: 4

2:28pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Max Ripple says...

rolivan wrote:
MileOakSEAGULL wrote:
I agree that if player doesn't want to be here then yes let him go for the best possible price..BUT HAVE A FOLLOW UP PLAN AND GET A SENSE OF URGENCY...PLEASE!
We all understand the difficulties what with FFP and regime changes and some players will follow their old manager out the door etc...
We have come a long way from almost not having a club to where we are now with 2 x top 6 finishes last 2 seasons, stadium, training ground etc..
I watched the game against Cheltenham and was not impressed, despite the win. We looked ragged and not really superior to a League 2 team..
I worry that we are going to suffer of we don' get a grip and make quality replacements. We have been so good in recent years picking up unknown talent and nurturing them - Ulloa, Bridcutt, Buckley to name but 3 of them. There are many more. If FFP is restricting us from paying a premium for established players then we should at least be getting in the former type players. This at least would be better than nothing....
SOS - SAVE OUR SEASON - TWO WEEKS..ITS NOT TOO LATE..
Rant over...
The thing is with the huge influx of foreign players coming there should be loads of British born players available where are they all Going?
I think they are just dropping out of the game. They are not getting picked up and at around age 19 they start slipping back down the leagues eventually quitting and becoming plumbers.
I agree that we need to be out there scouting for the great unknowns but I'm not sure our current scouting team are good enough for that. I don't believe DB has got the eyes and ears or proper contacts for that.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MileOakSEAGULL[/bold] wrote: I agree that if player doesn't want to be here then yes let him go for the best possible price..BUT HAVE A FOLLOW UP PLAN AND GET A SENSE OF URGENCY...PLEASE! We all understand the difficulties what with FFP and regime changes and some players will follow their old manager out the door etc... We have come a long way from almost not having a club to where we are now with 2 x top 6 finishes last 2 seasons, stadium, training ground etc.. I watched the game against Cheltenham and was not impressed, despite the win. We looked ragged and not really superior to a League 2 team.. I worry that we are going to suffer of we don' get a grip and make quality replacements. We have been so good in recent years picking up unknown talent and nurturing them - Ulloa, Bridcutt, Buckley to name but 3 of them. There are many more. If FFP is restricting us from paying a premium for established players then we should at least be getting in the former type players. This at least would be better than nothing.... SOS - SAVE OUR SEASON - TWO WEEKS..ITS NOT TOO LATE.. Rant over...[/p][/quote]The thing is with the huge influx of foreign players coming there should be loads of British born players available where are they all Going?[/p][/quote]I think they are just dropping out of the game. They are not getting picked up and at around age 19 they start slipping back down the leagues eventually quitting and becoming plumbers. I agree that we need to be out there scouting for the great unknowns but I'm not sure our current scouting team are good enough for that. I don't believe DB has got the eyes and ears or proper contacts for that. Max Ripple
  • Score: 2

2:29pm Fri 15 Aug 14

SMF20 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JohnnyCrumplinFootba



llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out.

The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates.

What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction.

As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now.

Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability.

Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does!

Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now.

The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday!
Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .
With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money.
Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows.

Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.
Great post Vegas. I'm in agreement
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out. The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates. What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction. As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now. Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability. Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does! Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now. The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday![/p][/quote]Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .[/p][/quote]With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money. Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows. Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.[/p][/quote]Great post Vegas. I'm in agreement SMF20
  • Score: 4

2:32pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Cory and Trevor wrote:
When you look at who's come and gone since he joined us, you have to feel for Hyppia. Add to that the last minute gazumpings of Sammy Lee - certainly his own choice of no.2 - and now Stephen Ward, i shouldn't wonder if Hyppia walks before long. Not pessimism, realism.
100% of pessimists claim to be realists. As do all cynics. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Cory and Trevor[/bold] wrote: When you look at who's come and gone since he joined us, you have to feel for Hyppia. Add to that the last minute gazumpings of Sammy Lee - certainly his own choice of no.2 - and now Stephen Ward, i shouldn't wonder if Hyppia walks before long. Not pessimism, realism.[/p][/quote]100% of pessimists claim to be realists. As do all cynics. ;-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

2:34pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Chi Gull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA.

On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.
Sensible, intelligent post, thank you
Hey, if that's the reality, then so be it. But the issue for many is the club's reluctance to communicate it adequately - or regularly - with the fans.
I have absolutely no issues with a sound business approach in this day and age, but giving us reasons for actions instead of pale platitude would work wonders.
You'll never please everyone with ANY response you give, so why not just tell it as it is?
I agree Albion in Staffs and I think I said as much in a previous post. We have lacked clear regular communication from the club at a critical period. I know it's difficult, but silence just fuels speculation.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA. On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.[/p][/quote]Sensible, intelligent post, thank you[/p][/quote]Hey, if that's the reality, then so be it. But the issue for many is the club's reluctance to communicate it adequately - or regularly - with the fans. I have absolutely no issues with a sound business approach in this day and age, but giving us reasons for actions instead of pale platitude would work wonders. You'll never please everyone with ANY response you give, so why not just tell it as it is?[/p][/quote]I agree Albion in Staffs and I think I said as much in a previous post. We have lacked clear regular communication from the club at a critical period. I know it's difficult, but silence just fuels speculation. Chi Gull
  • Score: 2

2:35pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Max Ripple says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA.

On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.
Sensible, intelligent post, thank you
Sorry. Didn't mean to thumbs down these comments. Buttons too small on my phone. Good posts actually.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA. On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.[/p][/quote]Sensible, intelligent post, thank you[/p][/quote]Sorry. Didn't mean to thumbs down these comments. Buttons too small on my phone. Good posts actually. Max Ripple
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Fri 15 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

pjwilk wrote:
Ontheline wrote:
Now you tell me what player wouldn't want the chance to play in the Premiership?
So here's the thing, as we know Will could have gone in January, the suits wouldn't let him. He didn't throw his dummy out like Bridcutt he got on with it, IMHO I believe Sammi's comments are unfair and unfounded, not professional at all. Sammi's obviously angry at what he has to deal with to get us within a shout of promotion, (the suits) slagging Will B is not the way to go Sammi, disgraceful.
I agree,good luck to Will at times he has been our shining light and has done more for us than Sami,up to present.I dont think slagging of is good for anyone.If Sami was offered double or treble pay in the Premiership would he worry about us? Its the Blues Bros he needs to be slagging of and now.
Also agree to dumping Burke and Barber and ask Dick Knight if he would help out,and leave all the buying and selling to Sami and let him build our team,I am sure if he is left to it without any interference he has the contacts and know how to get good players in and not necessarily million pound players but players who want to be part of a successful team that is closely tied to fanatic supporters.It will never happen with those two destroyers.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontheline[/bold] wrote: Now you tell me what player wouldn't want the chance to play in the Premiership? So here's the thing, as we know Will could have gone in January, the suits wouldn't let him. He didn't throw his dummy out like Bridcutt he got on with it, IMHO I believe Sammi's comments are unfair and unfounded, not professional at all. Sammi's obviously angry at what he has to deal with to get us within a shout of promotion, (the suits) slagging Will B is not the way to go Sammi, disgraceful.[/p][/quote]I agree,good luck to Will at times he has been our shining light and has done more for us than Sami,up to present.I dont think slagging of is good for anyone.If Sami was offered double or treble pay in the Premiership would he worry about us? Its the Blues Bros he needs to be slagging of and now.[/p][/quote]Also agree to dumping Burke and Barber and ask Dick Knight if he would help out,and leave all the buying and selling to Sami and let him build our team,I am sure if he is left to it without any interference he has the contacts and know how to get good players in and not necessarily million pound players but players who want to be part of a successful team that is closely tied to fanatic supporters.It will never happen with those two destroyers. pjwilk
  • Score: -1

2:39pm Fri 15 Aug 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The Southampton Echo are running a story that flatly denies any Saints interest in Solly March, so we can forget about that one.
Good one Vegas.
I thought the Yanks didn't do irony!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The Southampton Echo are running a story that flatly denies any Saints interest in Solly March, so we can forget about that one.[/p][/quote]Good one Vegas. I thought the Yanks didn't do irony! gordongull
  • Score: 4

2:40pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

Seagulls via LCFC wrote:
Chris Wood was on his way to Wolves from Leicester until a last minute hitch. So why didn't we get him as part of the deal for Ulloa?
Knowing us probably Jimmy Tarbuck. Would lve to see Chris Wood here tho
[quote][p][bold]Seagulls via LCFC[/bold] wrote: Chris Wood was on his way to Wolves from Leicester until a last minute hitch. So why didn't we get him as part of the deal for Ulloa?[/p][/quote]Knowing us probably Jimmy Tarbuck. Would lve to see Chris Wood here tho Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: 1

2:40pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Amazing that all of this is going on at the club and the official website comes up with.
FERRET'S BIRMINGHAM TIPS 1 hour 20 minutes ago
WATCH ALBION V LEEDS UNITED IN HEINEKEN LOUNGE 19 hours ago
CHRISTMAS PARTIES EARLY BIRD OFFER 20 hours ago.
And that is all under the heading LATEST NEWS.
Do they still have an office at the Withdean????
Agreed.
I also find it incredible that the only words from the Chairman on Buckley were to thank him for his service and for some great moments.
Surely there was an opportunity to say we wanted him to stay but he had a chance of PL football and we couldn't stand in the way of a player who wanted to take his chance? That would have been reasonable and he could then have loosely reflected the ongoing quest (and determination) to re-invest.
Instead, it was a pallid, irrelevant response that wasted a chance to spread a bit of self-centre BHA optimism. I just think that's poor.
Spot on posts which sum up whats wrong at the club currently, in my view
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Amazing that all of this is going on at the club and the official website comes up with. FERRET'S BIRMINGHAM TIPS 1 hour 20 minutes ago WATCH ALBION V LEEDS UNITED IN HEINEKEN LOUNGE 19 hours ago CHRISTMAS PARTIES EARLY BIRD OFFER 20 hours ago. And that is all under the heading LATEST NEWS. Do they still have an office at the Withdean????[/p][/quote]Agreed. I also find it incredible that the only words from the Chairman on Buckley were to thank him for his service and for some great moments. Surely there was an opportunity to say we wanted him to stay but he had a chance of PL football and we couldn't stand in the way of a player who wanted to take his chance? That would have been reasonable and he could then have loosely reflected the ongoing quest (and determination) to re-invest. Instead, it was a pallid, irrelevant response that wasted a chance to spread a bit of self-centre BHA optimism. I just think that's poor.[/p][/quote]Spot on posts which sum up whats wrong at the club currently, in my view dave from bexill
  • Score: 1

2:43pm Fri 15 Aug 14

stonegold says...

SMF20 wrote:
I reckon we will sign someone today. Possibly someone will a Liverpool connection
Jimmy Case?
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I reckon we will sign someone today. Possibly someone will a Liverpool connection[/p][/quote]Jimmy Case? stonegold
  • Score: 0

2:43pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

SMF20 wrote:
I reckon we will sign someone today. Possibly someone will a Liverpool connection
Ken Dodd
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I reckon we will sign someone today. Possibly someone will a Liverpool connection[/p][/quote]Ken Dodd dave from bexill
  • Score: 0

2:43pm Fri 15 Aug 14

heshootshescores says...

It's all about the money...and we either can't or won't pay it.

In the old days, they used to call it "tapping up" and it seems that there has been a fair amount of that going on in the last few months. Once a Premier League manager has expressed an interest in a player, he's as good as gone these days. Gus wanted Bridcutt and Buckley...and eventually he was going to get them.

Perhaps, if Oscar had stayed, things would be different now. But the departure of two international managers in quick succession does not send a very good message to either the players of the fans.

Looks like Gus was right. We've reached our ceiling...at least for the time being. We don't have parachute payments to fall back on. The Board had a decision to make this summer. Do we gamble on reaching the PL this season or, given the investment we've made in the infrastructure of the club, do we take a step back and consolidate with an eye to the future?

They have clearly chosen the latter path. The trouble is, I'm sure that our new boss didn't expect a mass exodus when he agreed to take the job.

We have lost virtually all our best players...the spine of the team. We dillied and dallied too long over Ward, probably to avoid paying the fee Wolves were asking for, and now he's been gobbled up by a bigger fish.

The question now is whether we have enough to stay in the division? Personally, as things stand right now, I can't see too many Championship squads thinner than ours. If we'd known how many were departing, surely we would have retained a player like Orlandi rather than let him walk?

We're desperately short of quality and creativity as things stand. We're going to rely on players like CMS and LuaLua to provide a spark and get us enough points to keep our heads above water before reinforcements arrive.

My biggest concern right now is the morale of the manager and the players. Are they feeling let down, the same way we the fans do? We desperately need a confidence-boosting win at Birmingham tomorrow but no doubt they will smell blood in the water. It's the right time to be playing us and I fear the worst.
It's all about the money...and we either can't or won't pay it. In the old days, they used to call it "tapping up" and it seems that there has been a fair amount of that going on in the last few months. Once a Premier League manager has expressed an interest in a player, he's as good as gone these days. Gus wanted Bridcutt and Buckley...and eventually he was going to get them. Perhaps, if Oscar had stayed, things would be different now. But the departure of two international managers in quick succession does not send a very good message to either the players of the fans. Looks like Gus was right. We've reached our ceiling...at least for the time being. We don't have parachute payments to fall back on. The Board had a decision to make this summer. Do we gamble on reaching the PL this season or, given the investment we've made in the infrastructure of the club, do we take a step back and consolidate with an eye to the future? They have clearly chosen the latter path. The trouble is, I'm sure that our new boss didn't expect a mass exodus when he agreed to take the job. We have lost virtually all our best players...the spine of the team. We dillied and dallied too long over Ward, probably to avoid paying the fee Wolves were asking for, and now he's been gobbled up by a bigger fish. The question now is whether we have enough to stay in the division? Personally, as things stand right now, I can't see too many Championship squads thinner than ours. If we'd known how many were departing, surely we would have retained a player like Orlandi rather than let him walk? We're desperately short of quality and creativity as things stand. We're going to rely on players like CMS and LuaLua to provide a spark and get us enough points to keep our heads above water before reinforcements arrive. My biggest concern right now is the morale of the manager and the players. Are they feeling let down, the same way we the fans do? We desperately need a confidence-boosting win at Birmingham tomorrow but no doubt they will smell blood in the water. It's the right time to be playing us and I fear the worst. heshootshescores
  • Score: 4

2:43pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

SMF20 wrote:
I reckon we will sign someone today. Possibly someone will a Liverpool connection
Probably Jimmy Tarbuck knowing us, would love to see Chris Wood bank with us tho. Ignore previous quote on wrong posting!!!
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I reckon we will sign someone today. Possibly someone will a Liverpool connection[/p][/quote]Probably Jimmy Tarbuck knowing us, would love to see Chris Wood bank with us tho. Ignore previous quote on wrong posting!!! Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: 1

2:44pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JohnnyCrumplinFootba



llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out.

The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates.

What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction.

As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now.

Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability.

Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does!

Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now.

The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday!
Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .
With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money.
Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows.

Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.
Fair points. As we've said before, we still don't know how it really works and while we can theorise all day, the only evidence we have is a series of malfunctions.
Either something isn't right within that requires amendment, or there needs to be public clarity on what's going on around us.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out. The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates. What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction. As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now. Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability. Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does! Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now. The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday![/p][/quote]Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .[/p][/quote]With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money. Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows. Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.[/p][/quote]Fair points. As we've said before, we still don't know how it really works and while we can theorise all day, the only evidence we have is a series of malfunctions. Either something isn't right within that requires amendment, or there needs to be public clarity on what's going on around us. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

2:51pm Fri 15 Aug 14

taylord1977 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Cory and Trevor wrote:
When you look at who's come and gone since he joined us, you have to feel for Hyppia. Add to that the last minute gazumpings of Sammy Lee - certainly his own choice of no.2 - and now Stephen Ward, i shouldn't wonder if Hyppia walks before long. Not pessimism, realism.
I can't see any reason what so ever for Sami to walk, the fact is we had some gems and now we don't, but that would have been the situation no matter who became our manager. Hyypia is no fool, I am sure that he understands that crap happens and you just have to deal with it.
Bloom will back Sami, he has to for if he doesn't then yeah Sami might call it a day and Bloom can't allow that to happen. Players will arrive, and yep we might have to up our offers to get them but if that is the case then it will be done.
A manager is only as good as his Chairman, if the Chairman doesn't see the problems then the manager has no chance. Bloom is aware of how the squad is looking, and he is aware that the squad is lacking, I odn't believe that Bloom will hang Hyypia out to dry, that would not reflect well on the club or Bloom, in fact it would kill off any chance we have of getting a new quality manager to replace Sami if he did walk.
Vegas, at times I feel you speak sense, but in regards to your comment I "don't believe that Bloom will hang Hyypia out to dry, that would not reflect well on the club or Bloom, in fact it would kill off any chance we have of getting a new quality manager to replace Sami if he did walk."

I get the feeling this may have already been damaged, two managers quitting, though Poyet you may argue was pushed, even though he had offered his resignation, and the fact that it appears Hyypia was never first choice due to the duration of the appointment, in football that gets around, and your choices of quality managers becomes greatly reduced as per our last short list. I perhaps think Blooms reputation is not the problem, i fear Mr Barber is the thorn, both at tottenham and over the pond he was far from popular with coaches and management. Maybe his departure could help the club restore some credibility again.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cory and Trevor[/bold] wrote: When you look at who's come and gone since he joined us, you have to feel for Hyppia. Add to that the last minute gazumpings of Sammy Lee - certainly his own choice of no.2 - and now Stephen Ward, i shouldn't wonder if Hyppia walks before long. Not pessimism, realism.[/p][/quote]I can't see any reason what so ever for Sami to walk, the fact is we had some gems and now we don't, but that would have been the situation no matter who became our manager. Hyypia is no fool, I am sure that he understands that crap happens and you just have to deal with it. Bloom will back Sami, he has to for if he doesn't then yeah Sami might call it a day and Bloom can't allow that to happen. Players will arrive, and yep we might have to up our offers to get them but if that is the case then it will be done. A manager is only as good as his Chairman, if the Chairman doesn't see the problems then the manager has no chance. Bloom is aware of how the squad is looking, and he is aware that the squad is lacking, I odn't believe that Bloom will hang Hyypia out to dry, that would not reflect well on the club or Bloom, in fact it would kill off any chance we have of getting a new quality manager to replace Sami if he did walk.[/p][/quote]Vegas, at times I feel you speak sense, but in regards to your comment I "don't believe that Bloom will hang Hyypia out to dry, that would not reflect well on the club or Bloom, in fact it would kill off any chance we have of getting a new quality manager to replace Sami if he did walk." I get the feeling this may have already been damaged, two managers quitting, though Poyet you may argue was pushed, even though he had offered his resignation, and the fact that it appears Hyypia was never first choice due to the duration of the appointment, in football that gets around, and your choices of quality managers becomes greatly reduced as per our last short list. I perhaps think Blooms reputation is not the problem, i fear Mr Barber is the thorn, both at tottenham and over the pond he was far from popular with coaches and management. Maybe his departure could help the club restore some credibility again. taylord1977
  • Score: 3

2:53pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Chi Gull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA.

On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.
Sensible, intelligent post, thank you
Hey, if that's the reality, then so be it. But the issue for many is the club's reluctance to communicate it adequately - or regularly - with the fans.
I have absolutely no issues with a sound business approach in this day and age, but giving us reasons for actions instead of pale platitude would work wonders.
You'll never please everyone with ANY response you give, so why not just tell it as it is?
I agree Albion in Staffs and I think I said as much in a previous post. We have lacked clear regular communication from the club at a critical period. I know it's difficult, but silence just fuels speculation.
Yep you're right, it can be difficult at times, but that's what you have professionals for. Downing Street doesn't shut it's door just because someone's been nasty to the Prime Minister....
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA. On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.[/p][/quote]Sensible, intelligent post, thank you[/p][/quote]Hey, if that's the reality, then so be it. But the issue for many is the club's reluctance to communicate it adequately - or regularly - with the fans. I have absolutely no issues with a sound business approach in this day and age, but giving us reasons for actions instead of pale platitude would work wonders. You'll never please everyone with ANY response you give, so why not just tell it as it is?[/p][/quote]I agree Albion in Staffs and I think I said as much in a previous post. We have lacked clear regular communication from the club at a critical period. I know it's difficult, but silence just fuels speculation.[/p][/quote]Yep you're right, it can be difficult at times, but that's what you have professionals for. Downing Street doesn't shut it's door just because someone's been nasty to the Prime Minister.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

2:54pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JohnnyCrumplinFootba



llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out.

The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates.

What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction.

As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now.

Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability.

Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does!

Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now.

The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday!
Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .
With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money.
Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows.

Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.
Given that Bloom has paid for the stadium, paid for the new training ground and is covering huge losses every season, if he's the problem then he's certainly a problem I can live with!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out. The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates. What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction. As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now. Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability. Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does! Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now. The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday![/p][/quote]Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .[/p][/quote]With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money. Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows. Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.[/p][/quote]Given that Bloom has paid for the stadium, paid for the new training ground and is covering huge losses every season, if he's the problem then he's certainly a problem I can live with! Quiterie
  • Score: 7

2:56pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Neville says...

Attn Max Ripple
Perhaps Burke would be better off ringing Plumbase to see if they have any footballers lol
Rest of you don,t waste your time doing a thumbs down
Attn Max Ripple Perhaps Burke would be better off ringing Plumbase to see if they have any footballers lol Rest of you don,t waste your time doing a thumbs down Neville
  • Score: -4

3:02pm Fri 15 Aug 14

taylord1977 says...

I don't think I have felt this low since the last 2 seasons at the Goldstone ground, it really is depressing
I don't think I have felt this low since the last 2 seasons at the Goldstone ground, it really is depressing taylord1977
  • Score: 3

3:17pm Fri 15 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

taylord1977 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Cory and Trevor wrote:
When you look at who's come and gone since he joined us, you have to feel for Hyppia. Add to that the last minute gazumpings of Sammy Lee - certainly his own choice of no.2 - and now Stephen Ward, i shouldn't wonder if Hyppia walks before long. Not pessimism, realism.
I can't see any reason what so ever for Sami to walk, the fact is we had some gems and now we don't, but that would have been the situation no matter who became our manager. Hyypia is no fool, I am sure that he understands that crap happens and you just have to deal with it.
Bloom will back Sami, he has to for if he doesn't then yeah Sami might call it a day and Bloom can't allow that to happen. Players will arrive, and yep we might have to up our offers to get them but if that is the case then it will be done.
A manager is only as good as his Chairman, if the Chairman doesn't see the problems then the manager has no chance. Bloom is aware of how the squad is looking, and he is aware that the squad is lacking, I odn't believe that Bloom will hang Hyypia out to dry, that would not reflect well on the club or Bloom, in fact it would kill off any chance we have of getting a new quality manager to replace Sami if he did walk.
Vegas, at times I feel you speak sense, but in regards to your comment I "don't believe that Bloom will hang Hyypia out to dry, that would not reflect well on the club or Bloom, in fact it would kill off any chance we have of getting a new quality manager to replace Sami if he did walk."

I get the feeling this may have already been damaged, two managers quitting, though Poyet you may argue was pushed, even though he had offered his resignation, and the fact that it appears Hyypia was never first choice due to the duration of the appointment, in football that gets around, and your choices of quality managers becomes greatly reduced as per our last short list. I perhaps think Blooms reputation is not the problem, i fear Mr Barber is the thorn, both at tottenham and over the pond he was far from popular with coaches and management. Maybe his departure could help the club restore some credibility again.
Taylord, the fact that we did go thru the Poyet fiasco and then Gracia only staying for a season, Bloom has to get it right with Hyypia, a lot of damage has been done, we don't need any more.

GordonGull, Yanks don't do irony that well, it's true, but I am only yank by location, my British wit still peeps thru at times.

Quiterie, yes Bloom has done great, and I get that you are happy with him but, as am I, but if he is part of the problem when it comes to signing players, he shouldn't get a free pass, if he can, then all the posted comments complaining count for nothing. My point was, we don't know how much he is involved in transfers, if as I have claimed he is very hands on, then he must take some of the blame.
[quote][p][bold]taylord1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cory and Trevor[/bold] wrote: When you look at who's come and gone since he joined us, you have to feel for Hyppia. Add to that the last minute gazumpings of Sammy Lee - certainly his own choice of no.2 - and now Stephen Ward, i shouldn't wonder if Hyppia walks before long. Not pessimism, realism.[/p][/quote]I can't see any reason what so ever for Sami to walk, the fact is we had some gems and now we don't, but that would have been the situation no matter who became our manager. Hyypia is no fool, I am sure that he understands that crap happens and you just have to deal with it. Bloom will back Sami, he has to for if he doesn't then yeah Sami might call it a day and Bloom can't allow that to happen. Players will arrive, and yep we might have to up our offers to get them but if that is the case then it will be done. A manager is only as good as his Chairman, if the Chairman doesn't see the problems then the manager has no chance. Bloom is aware of how the squad is looking, and he is aware that the squad is lacking, I odn't believe that Bloom will hang Hyypia out to dry, that would not reflect well on the club or Bloom, in fact it would kill off any chance we have of getting a new quality manager to replace Sami if he did walk.[/p][/quote]Vegas, at times I feel you speak sense, but in regards to your comment I "don't believe that Bloom will hang Hyypia out to dry, that would not reflect well on the club or Bloom, in fact it would kill off any chance we have of getting a new quality manager to replace Sami if he did walk." I get the feeling this may have already been damaged, two managers quitting, though Poyet you may argue was pushed, even though he had offered his resignation, and the fact that it appears Hyypia was never first choice due to the duration of the appointment, in football that gets around, and your choices of quality managers becomes greatly reduced as per our last short list. I perhaps think Blooms reputation is not the problem, i fear Mr Barber is the thorn, both at tottenham and over the pond he was far from popular with coaches and management. Maybe his departure could help the club restore some credibility again.[/p][/quote]Taylord, the fact that we did go thru the Poyet fiasco and then Gracia only staying for a season, Bloom has to get it right with Hyypia, a lot of damage has been done, we don't need any more. GordonGull, Yanks don't do irony that well, it's true, but I am only yank by location, my British wit still peeps thru at times. Quiterie, yes Bloom has done great, and I get that you are happy with him but, as am I, but if he is part of the problem when it comes to signing players, he shouldn't get a free pass, if he can, then all the posted comments complaining count for nothing. My point was, we don't know how much he is involved in transfers, if as I have claimed he is very hands on, then he must take some of the blame. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

3:20pm Fri 15 Aug 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JohnnyCrumplinFootba



llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out.

The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates.

What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction.

As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now.

Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability.

Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does!

Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now.

The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday!
Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .
With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money.
Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows.

Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.
Hi Vegas ,
yes I totally agree ,and have said so one way or another for some time now ,but I was speaking specifically about DB and PBs effect on TB . Obviously TB has final shout on all matters ,and as such ultimately as you said yourself "the buck stops here" and frankly which ever way it is being done ,or who is doing what ,it worries the crap out of me . I`ve driven myself round the flippin bend and back going through every possible scenario for our situation ,but until were told outright ,it`s all supposition .
But if either B&B were any good why did Gus dislike him/them so much and why did all our problems start when they appeared on the scene ,it comes back to them for me .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out. The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates. What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction. As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now. Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability. Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does! Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now. The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday![/p][/quote]Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .[/p][/quote]With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money. Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows. Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , yes I totally agree ,and have said so one way or another for some time now ,but I was speaking specifically about DB and PBs effect on TB . Obviously TB has final shout on all matters ,and as such ultimately as you said yourself "the buck stops here" and frankly which ever way it is being done ,or who is doing what ,it worries the crap out of me . I`ve driven myself round the flippin bend and back going through every possible scenario for our situation ,but until were told outright ,it`s all supposition . But if either B&B were any good why did Gus dislike him/them so much and why did all our problems start when they appeared on the scene ,it comes back to them for me . tug509
  • Score: 3

3:39pm Fri 15 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JohnnyCrumplinFootba




llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out.

The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates.

What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction.

As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now.

Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability.

Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does!

Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now.

The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday!
Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .
With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money.
Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows.

Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.
Hi Vegas ,
yes I totally agree ,and have said so one way or another for some time now ,but I was speaking specifically about DB and PBs effect on TB . Obviously TB has final shout on all matters ,and as such ultimately as you said yourself "the buck stops here" and frankly which ever way it is being done ,or who is doing what ,it worries the crap out of me . I`ve driven myself round the flippin bend and back going through every possible scenario for our situation ,but until were told outright ,it`s all supposition .
But if either B&B were any good why did Gus dislike him/them so much and why did all our problems start when they appeared on the scene ,it comes back to them for me .
I think it very possible tha Barber made it very clear to Gus that a financial plan was to be imposed, and that that imposition would curtail Burkes ability to sign the players Gus would have wanted. Barber would not have set ou a plan that Bloom did not think was right on several levels. If you like it's a case of the tough sheriff moved in to clean up Dodge, and the towns folk had to live thru the pain until the better days followed.

I am sure that Gus knew that we needed a stronger squad if we were to truly challenge for the top, but faced with the financial prudence of Barber's plan, it became clear that he wouldn't get the money.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out. The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates. What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction. As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now. Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability. Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does! Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now. The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday![/p][/quote]Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .[/p][/quote]With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money. Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows. Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , yes I totally agree ,and have said so one way or another for some time now ,but I was speaking specifically about DB and PBs effect on TB . Obviously TB has final shout on all matters ,and as such ultimately as you said yourself "the buck stops here" and frankly which ever way it is being done ,or who is doing what ,it worries the crap out of me . I`ve driven myself round the flippin bend and back going through every possible scenario for our situation ,but until were told outright ,it`s all supposition . But if either B&B were any good why did Gus dislike him/them so much and why did all our problems start when they appeared on the scene ,it comes back to them for me .[/p][/quote]I think it very possible tha Barber made it very clear to Gus that a financial plan was to be imposed, and that that imposition would curtail Burkes ability to sign the players Gus would have wanted. Barber would not have set ou a plan that Bloom did not think was right on several levels. If you like it's a case of the tough sheriff moved in to clean up Dodge, and the towns folk had to live thru the pain until the better days followed. I am sure that Gus knew that we needed a stronger squad if we were to truly challenge for the top, but faced with the financial prudence of Barber's plan, it became clear that he wouldn't get the money. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

3:45pm Fri 15 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JohnnyCrumplinFootba




llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out.

The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates.

What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction.

As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now.

Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability.

Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does!

Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now.

The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday!
Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .
With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money.
Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows.

Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.
Hi Vegas ,
yes I totally agree ,and have said so one way or another for some time now ,but I was speaking specifically about DB and PBs effect on TB . Obviously TB has final shout on all matters ,and as such ultimately as you said yourself "the buck stops here" and frankly which ever way it is being done ,or who is doing what ,it worries the crap out of me . I`ve driven myself round the flippin bend and back going through every possible scenario for our situation ,but until were told outright ,it`s all supposition .
But if either B&B were any good why did Gus dislike him/them so much and why did all our problems start when they appeared on the scene ,it comes back to them for me .
Tug it might all come back to Burke and Barber but where did it start. If Burke and Barber are merely doing Blooms bidding, if Bloom said, 'look guys we have got to cut spending, I can't keep funding all of our losses,' should they have not done exactly as asked?

Bloom is building a legacy, he wants to be the man that gets us to the top, so Burke and Barber aresurely working to his plan and not their own, it's Bloom's club and they are nothing more than employees.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out. The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates. What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction. As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now. Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability. Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does! Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now. The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday![/p][/quote]Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .[/p][/quote]With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money. Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows. Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , yes I totally agree ,and have said so one way or another for some time now ,but I was speaking specifically about DB and PBs effect on TB . Obviously TB has final shout on all matters ,and as such ultimately as you said yourself "the buck stops here" and frankly which ever way it is being done ,or who is doing what ,it worries the crap out of me . I`ve driven myself round the flippin bend and back going through every possible scenario for our situation ,but until were told outright ,it`s all supposition . But if either B&B were any good why did Gus dislike him/them so much and why did all our problems start when they appeared on the scene ,it comes back to them for me .[/p][/quote]Tug it might all come back to Burke and Barber but where did it start. If Burke and Barber are merely doing Blooms bidding, if Bloom said, 'look guys we have got to cut spending, I can't keep funding all of our losses,' should they have not done exactly as asked? Bloom is building a legacy, he wants to be the man that gets us to the top, so Burke and Barber aresurely working to his plan and not their own, it's Bloom's club and they are nothing more than employees. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

4:12pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

And all the while, Ebenezer Bloom counts the pennies and tells us there's nothing to spend and that it will be another miserable Christmas.....
And all the while, Ebenezer Bloom counts the pennies and tells us there's nothing to spend and that it will be another miserable Christmas..... Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -5

4:19pm Fri 15 Aug 14

gordongull says...

Last season was the first one for FFP, and there has been much speculation that several clubs have been flouting the regulations.
We were told by Paul Barber in February that he was confident that B&HA would reduce its losses to the required £8m. But until the club's 'FFP result' is released in December we will not know if we have complied.
If we have complied, it was probably dependent on the Bridcutt/Ashley money not being used to buy replacements in the last financial year.
This season, 2014-2015 is a whole new ball game. Permitted losses are down to £6m. That means we have to lose £9m LESS than in the year we gambled on promotion, (2011-2012).
Revenue such as naming rights and sponsorship will not have a great impact on these figures. The only way it can be achieved is through a massive reduction in wages and transfer fees.
What this translates to, on paper at least, is a substantially inferior squad to that of the last two seasons.
Tony Bloom could spend £20m+ on another tilt at promotion, but the odds of success are not good, and that is because of parachute money. Norwich, Cardiff, and Fulham each have a first payment of £23m, and seven other teams are receiving varying amounts.
But Mr Bloom and his 'Suits' need to fill the stadium, so it seems that not communicating with supporters is seen as more productive than putting out announcements which are uninspiring.
Tony is playing poker with the fans, but he doesn't really have any other choice.
Last season was the first one for FFP, and there has been much speculation that several clubs have been flouting the regulations. We were told by Paul Barber in February that he was confident that B&HA would reduce its losses to the required £8m. But until the club's 'FFP result' is released in December we will not know if we have complied. If we have complied, it was probably dependent on the Bridcutt/Ashley money not being used to buy replacements in the last financial year. This season, 2014-2015 is a whole new ball game. Permitted losses are down to £6m. That means we have to lose £9m LESS than in the year we gambled on promotion, (2011-2012). Revenue such as naming rights and sponsorship will not have a great impact on these figures. The only way it can be achieved is through a massive reduction in wages and transfer fees. What this translates to, on paper at least, is a substantially inferior squad to that of the last two seasons. Tony Bloom could spend £20m+ on another tilt at promotion, but the odds of success are not good, and that is because of parachute money. Norwich, Cardiff, and Fulham each have a first payment of £23m, and seven other teams are receiving varying amounts. But Mr Bloom and his 'Suits' need to fill the stadium, so it seems that not communicating with supporters is seen as more productive than putting out announcements which are uninspiring. Tony is playing poker with the fans, but he doesn't really have any other choice. gordongull
  • Score: 5

4:55pm Fri 15 Aug 14

oksouthstander says...

Chi Gull wrote:
There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA.

On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.
Good Observation of where we are at. I feel sure TB's grand-dad and MB would have loved to have been where we are today & let us not forget they took us to the higher division.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA. On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.[/p][/quote]Good Observation of where we are at. I feel sure TB's grand-dad and MB would have loved to have been where we are today & let us not forget they took us to the higher division. oksouthstander
  • Score: 2

5:19pm Fri 15 Aug 14

barnieb says...

Good riddance to a 'sick note' liability who always flattered.
Good riddance to a 'sick note' liability who always flattered. barnieb
  • Score: -1

5:50pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Alfie T says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
And all the while, Ebenezer Bloom counts the pennies and tells us there's nothing to spend and that it will be another miserable Christmas.....
F off ....er
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: And all the while, Ebenezer Bloom counts the pennies and tells us there's nothing to spend and that it will be another miserable Christmas.....[/p][/quote]F off ....er Alfie T
  • Score: -2

6:10pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Becktheman says...

If they want to go let them go as they will act like the other Poyet player that transferred to Sunderland, who because his mind was not right he could not play. I would get the sack if I had that attitude at work.
Lets get behind the team and show Sami what we can achieve this season.

Best player for the coming season - Lua Lua.
If they want to go let them go as they will act like the other Poyet player that transferred to Sunderland, who because his mind was not right he could not play. I would get the sack if I had that attitude at work. Lets get behind the team and show Sami what we can achieve this season. Best player for the coming season - Lua Lua. Becktheman
  • Score: 3

7:03pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Sheil says...

Becktheman I entirely agree with your sentiment about attitude......if one is not prepared to put in 100% why should they get their rewards in financial terms when we are expected to pay full whack for watching an inferior performance........t
otally unfair to us & the club!
I feel last season we were possibly making allowances for Bucks due to his injuries, now how come Poyet has taken him! Sorry but it shows a chink in his loyalty the way he played on Saturday.
I may not have put this very well - but hope one can understand what I'm getting at!
Becktheman I entirely agree with your sentiment about attitude......if one is not prepared to put in 100% why should they get their rewards in financial terms when we are expected to pay full whack for watching an inferior performance........t otally unfair to us & the club! I feel last season we were possibly making allowances for Bucks due to his injuries, now how come Poyet has taken him! Sorry but it shows a chink in his loyalty the way he played on Saturday. I may not have put this very well - but hope one can understand what I'm getting at! Sheil
  • Score: 3

7:33pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Aldrington Halt says...

Chi Gull wrote:
There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA.

On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.
Interesting post, seems to sum up the situation nicely thanks!
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: There is an interesting article on the BBC web site about football club finances and growing gulf between the top clubs and those lower down. 25% of clubs have serious financial concerns although 90% expect to meet the FFP requirements. As others have said even within the PL there is a huge gulf between the top 6 or 7 and the rest. The PL finances have a knock on effect on our league as we know via parachute payments. We simply can't compete financially with those clubs, so we have to find another way. Grow your own and sell them on, pick up PL cast offs or lower league players and develop them. Actually when you look at what we have achieved over the last 3 or 4 years we haven't done too badly. Probably the one disappointment has been CMS - given what we paid for him. This year is obviously going to be more of a rebuild year than we had anticipated, but that happens from time to time in any football club. Keep the faith UTA. On the topic, anyone could see that Buckley's heart wasn't in it in the 2nd half of last season.[/p][/quote]Interesting post, seems to sum up the situation nicely thanks! Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 3

7:37pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Aldrington Halt says...

ash696 wrote:
Buckley's probably doubled / trebled his wages. He'd be mad not to want to go and sign that contract, no sensible person can blame him for that. And forget about 'loyalty to the fans' and all that guff, money talks.

As for Brighton selling their best players, this Buckley senario highlights how you cannot keep onto wantaway players when they are offered telephone number salaries in the Premier league. Also, TB has put a fortune into the Albion and no fair minded person can blame him if he wants to balance the books afetr shelling out over £100'000'000. Surely you would want the club to break even after setting the club up?

Fans complaining about the board's leadership are welcome to earn hundreds of millions of pounds and put their money where their mouths are. Remember where we came from.
Amen, we've stepped up a couple of leagues thanks to TB's investment and have our sights aimed higher but not at any cost..
[quote][p][bold]ash696[/bold] wrote: Buckley's probably doubled / trebled his wages. He'd be mad not to want to go and sign that contract, no sensible person can blame him for that. And forget about 'loyalty to the fans' and all that guff, money talks. As for Brighton selling their best players, this Buckley senario highlights how you cannot keep onto wantaway players when they are offered telephone number salaries in the Premier league. Also, TB has put a fortune into the Albion and no fair minded person can blame him if he wants to balance the books afetr shelling out over £100'000'000. Surely you would want the club to break even after setting the club up? Fans complaining about the board's leadership are welcome to earn hundreds of millions of pounds and put their money where their mouths are. Remember where we came from.[/p][/quote]Amen, we've stepped up a couple of leagues thanks to TB's investment and have our sights aimed higher but not at any cost.. Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 3

7:39pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Aldrington Halt says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JohnnyCrumplinFootba



llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out.

The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates.

What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction.

As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now.

Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability.

Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does!

Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now.

The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday!
Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .
With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money.
Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows.

Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.
Oh to be a fly on the wall..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out. The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates. What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction. As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now. Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability. Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does! Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now. The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday![/p][/quote]Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .[/p][/quote]With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money. Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows. Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.[/p][/quote]Oh to be a fly on the wall.. Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 1

8:03pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Withdean-er says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JohnnyCrumplinFootba





llGenius
wrote:
What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..
I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out.

The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates.

What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction.

As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now.

Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability.

Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does!

Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now.

The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday!
Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .
With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money.
Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows.

Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.
Hi Vegas ,
yes I totally agree ,and have said so one way or another for some time now ,but I was speaking specifically about DB and PBs effect on TB . Obviously TB has final shout on all matters ,and as such ultimately as you said yourself "the buck stops here" and frankly which ever way it is being done ,or who is doing what ,it worries the crap out of me . I`ve driven myself round the flippin bend and back going through every possible scenario for our situation ,but until were told outright ,it`s all supposition .
But if either B&B were any good why did Gus dislike him/them so much and why did all our problems start when they appeared on the scene ,it comes back to them for me .
I think it very possible tha Barber made it very clear to Gus that a financial plan was to be imposed, and that that imposition would curtail Burkes ability to sign the players Gus would have wanted. Barber would not have set ou a plan that Bloom did not think was right on several levels. If you like it's a case of the tough sheriff moved in to clean up Dodge, and the towns folk had to live thru the pain until the better days followed.

I am sure that Gus knew that we needed a stronger squad if we were to truly challenge for the top, but faced with the financial prudence of Barber's plan, it became clear that he wouldn't get the money.
Good points, and a great summary.

Except for "Gus KNEW that we needed a stronger squad if we were to truly challenge". I agree that Gus thought that, as was obsessed with talk about budgets, but Palace, Burnley and Derby have succeeded at the top of the Championship with a far lower players wage/transfer budget than Poyet had. £ is undoubtedly key, Poyet was given a great deal (the audited accounts show this) for players, but those other clubs did it WITHOUT McLaren, Dyche and McLaren rattling on about the need for more money, or the inequities of other clubs having more money .. they simply get on with great coaching, man-management and managing transfers/money discussions in private with their Board.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyCrumplinFootba llGenius[/bold] wrote: What this suggests to me is Gus personally called Buckers and turned his head..[/p][/quote]I think you'll see Will Buckley now performing to the height of his ability and being fit most of the time. It's so obvious his head was turned as soon as Poyet had his fall out. The 'love in' Poyet held with all the players at a Brighton Restaurant just after his dismissal, or suspension - I can't recall exactly when, tells me everything about how he operates. What disappoints me is that people still cannot take responsibility for what's happening and keep 'blaming' the departing players, clubs and Premier League Attraction. As I posted previously, we've been in The Championship at The Amex for 4 seasons now and The Premier League was in operation during all of those seasons with clubs able to 'dangle carrots' at anytime. However, it didn't happen and players came in and some left but nothing like what is happening now. Everything, including work place harmony, began disintegrating after Bloom's appointments of DB and PB. It's not ALL ABOUT MONEY. When will they wake up to that understanding. Harmonious, concordant personalities create positive outcomes AND can increase profitability. Let's be honest. The most important relationship in any football club is that between the manager and owner/Chairman. One of those two positions needs to be highly experienced in their position - if both aren't - you've got a big problem and the truth is Tony Bloom is very inexperienced as a football Chairman. money doesn't buy experience - experience does! Now we have a relatively in-experienced manager as well and when that happens it can send the whole structure into chaos because the 'ego men' like DB and PB start running the show and that's what has happened now. The atmosphere is like a morgue and that was evident on Tuesday![/p][/quote]Great post Wisdom ,I especially agree with your assessment of DB and PB running the club in light of TBs lack of experience as a Chairman ,it would have been good if he could have approached DK instead of these two parasites . Surely he must now grasp the nettle and send these two packing ,give control of new signings to Sami and pray it`s not too late to get some quality through the door .[/p][/quote]With every dig directed at Burke regarding our lack of ability to get new players, the same dig has to apply to Bloom, you can't seperate them, they are the people doing the work, or not. Bloom AND Burke spend the money Barber raises money. Did Burke wait too long to sign Ward, or was that Bloom, or did they both get it wrong. We might have got Clayton but we didn't, was that a money issue, did Bloom refuse to spend more, did Burke want to but was told no, who knows? If Burke was messing up deals, or if our offers were close but not close enough, would Bloom not have stepped in if he thought he should, or was he agreeing with our failed bids, who knows. Burke maybe a berk, but Bloom is sitting right next to him, and the buck stops at Bloom's door as he has the final say on all matters. Here's an idea for you, what if Burke is actually quite good at his job, what if Bloom is the problem, or is that a thought that is not allowed past the front door of the Amex.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , yes I totally agree ,and have said so one way or another for some time now ,but I was speaking specifically about DB and PBs effect on TB . Obviously TB has final shout on all matters ,and as such ultimately as you said yourself "the buck stops here" and frankly which ever way it is being done ,or who is doing what ,it worries the crap out of me . I`ve driven myself round the flippin bend and back going through every possible scenario for our situation ,but until were told outright ,it`s all supposition . But if either B&B were any good why did Gus dislike him/them so much and why did all our problems start when they appeared on the scene ,it comes back to them for me .[/p][/quote]I think it very possible tha Barber made it very clear to Gus that a financial plan was to be imposed, and that that imposition would curtail Burkes ability to sign the players Gus would have wanted. Barber would not have set ou a plan that Bloom did not think was right on several levels. If you like it's a case of the tough sheriff moved in to clean up Dodge, and the towns folk had to live thru the pain until the better days followed. I am sure that Gus knew that we needed a stronger squad if we were to truly challenge for the top, but faced with the financial prudence of Barber's plan, it became clear that he wouldn't get the money.[/p][/quote]Good points, and a great summary. Except for "Gus KNEW that we needed a stronger squad if we were to truly challenge". I agree that Gus thought that, as was obsessed with talk about budgets, but Palace, Burnley and Derby have succeeded at the top of the Championship with a far lower players wage/transfer budget than Poyet had. £ is undoubtedly key, Poyet was given a great deal (the audited accounts show this) for players, but those other clubs did it WITHOUT McLaren, Dyche and McLaren rattling on about the need for more money, or the inequities of other clubs having more money .. they simply get on with great coaching, man-management and managing transfers/money discussions in private with their Board. Withdean-er
  • Score: 2

8:24pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Falmer Wizard says...

O'Grady says wrote:
Thumbs up if you're sick of all this negativity! Every morning I wake up anticipating new signings, positive comments from management and news indicating that the club is making progress. Whatever the philosophy underpinning the actions of the 'suits', it has resulted in the loss of two top-flight managers in consecutive seasons, an exodus of quality players and total disillusionment of erstwhile faithful and long-suffering fans. Of course football is a business and as we've seen elsewhere, if the club is not managed with sensible economics, then it has disastrous consequences. But it is an entertainment industry and the fans that support the club deserve more respect from TB etc. Please rescue the situation Mr Chairman by offering an honest explanation of recent events to your loyal fans and splashing some cash to reinforce a squad of players that is currently well short of requirements for a Championship club. Continued deafening silence will surely adversely affect the morale of players and manager who will want to join the queue exiting the club.
I wake up every morning thankful that i am no longer a season ticket holder and can attend matches as and when the team are performing well.
[quote][p][bold]O'Grady says[/bold] wrote: Thumbs up if you're sick of all this negativity! Every morning I wake up anticipating new signings, positive comments from management and news indicating that the club is making progress. Whatever the philosophy underpinning the actions of the 'suits', it has resulted in the loss of two top-flight managers in consecutive seasons, an exodus of quality players and total disillusionment of erstwhile faithful and long-suffering fans. Of course football is a business and as we've seen elsewhere, if the club is not managed with sensible economics, then it has disastrous consequences. But it is an entertainment industry and the fans that support the club deserve more respect from TB etc. Please rescue the situation Mr Chairman by offering an honest explanation of recent events to your loyal fans and splashing some cash to reinforce a squad of players that is currently well short of requirements for a Championship club. Continued deafening silence will surely adversely affect the morale of players and manager who will want to join the queue exiting the club.[/p][/quote]I wake up every morning thankful that i am no longer a season ticket holder and can attend matches as and when the team are performing well. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: -3

10:43pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

SpadgeUK wrote:
So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again!

Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I??

Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!!
I think we thought Solly would replace him also now he is fit CMS can play there, just disappointed that we didn't get just a bit more money when yo consider Poyet was saying he was better than Saha two seasons ago.
[quote][p][bold]SpadgeUK[/bold] wrote: So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again! Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I?? Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!![/p][/quote]I think we thought Solly would replace him also now he is fit CMS can play there, just disappointed that we didn't get just a bit more money when yo consider Poyet was saying he was better than Saha two seasons ago. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 0

11:56pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Albion mascot in 1991 says...

Portlock Seagull wrote:
SpadgeUK wrote:
So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again! Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I?? Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!!
Not exactly Edgar street '97 yet are we?

Transfer window shuts in two weeks and we'll have players in by then. It's just going to be a Season of consolidation and fight to stay in championship whilst we all adjust to FFP. Poyets leftovers have all but gone now so Sami has 2-3 years to build a new team and then mount a challenge like Gus's team did. Hopefully we'll not lose too many players and managers to the all sapping Premiership where half decent players go to die but do so in enormous wealth. Buckley, Ward, Ulloa, Barnes and Bridcutt to name a few...
Well said portlock
Far too much negativity on here, unfortunately this is what the modern game has become and we should at least be grateful that we survived to even be here in the modern game whether we agree with it or not ...... I think you'll find the majority of people moaning about the 'current plight' we find ourselves in won't have any idea what 'Edgar street 97' even means
[quote][p][bold]Portlock Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpadgeUK[/bold] wrote: So we decided to sell Buckley who didn't want to be at the Albion without getting in a replacement 1st........yet again! Ask yourself why he didn't want to be at the Albion, maybe it was because he has already watched all the decent players leave and thought why shouldn't I?? Seriously the club is becoming a laughing stock!![/p][/quote]Not exactly Edgar street '97 yet are we? Transfer window shuts in two weeks and we'll have players in by then. It's just going to be a Season of consolidation and fight to stay in championship whilst we all adjust to FFP. Poyets leftovers have all but gone now so Sami has 2-3 years to build a new team and then mount a challenge like Gus's team did. Hopefully we'll not lose too many players and managers to the all sapping Premiership where half decent players go to die but do so in enormous wealth. Buckley, Ward, Ulloa, Barnes and Bridcutt to name a few...[/p][/quote]Well said portlock Far too much negativity on here, unfortunately this is what the modern game has become and we should at least be grateful that we survived to even be here in the modern game whether we agree with it or not ...... I think you'll find the majority of people moaning about the 'current plight' we find ourselves in won't have any idea what 'Edgar street 97' even means Albion mascot in 1991
  • Score: 3

8:35am Sat 16 Aug 14

rhett butler says...

Don't worry guys the new signings will be better quality than those that have left us, wishful thinking maybe, but let's all wait till the window slams shut. We must remember there are so called far bigger clubs than us in this league and not all the quality players want to come down south!! Most Stay up north or in the Midlands,. It's not as easy as some might imagine signing players look where the guys went when leaving the seagulls don't think any of them stayed in the south, it's better we make signings from southern based clubs!! Suppose I will receive thumbs down!!!
Don't worry guys the new signings will be better quality than those that have left us, wishful thinking maybe, but let's all wait till the window slams shut. We must remember there are so called far bigger clubs than us in this league and not all the quality players want to come down south!! Most Stay up north or in the Midlands,. It's not as easy as some might imagine signing players look where the guys went when leaving the seagulls don't think any of them stayed in the south, it's better we make signings from southern based clubs!! Suppose I will receive thumbs down!!! rhett butler
  • Score: 2

4:29pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Ontheline says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Ontheline wrote:
Now you tell me what player wouldn't want the chance to play in the Premiership?
So here's the thing, as we know Will could have gone in January, the suits wouldn't let him. He didn't throw his dummy out like Bridcutt he got on with it, IMHO I believe Sammi's comments are unfair and unfounded, not professional at all. Sammi's obviously angry at what he has to deal with to get us within a shout of promotion, (the suits) slagging Will B is not the way to go Sammi, disgraceful.
Yep.
Did he not sit down with him and ask him what was wrong? If he could see he wasn't focused, he should have intervened in an attempt to convince him his future was with us. Surely you don't just shrug your shoulders and then tell the world it's someone else's fault?
For me, it's a classic case of the manager protecting those above his head who made a financial decision. At least they're working as a team....
Spot on! A manager is there to encourage and motivate his team.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontheline[/bold] wrote: Now you tell me what player wouldn't want the chance to play in the Premiership? So here's the thing, as we know Will could have gone in January, the suits wouldn't let him. He didn't throw his dummy out like Bridcutt he got on with it, IMHO I believe Sammi's comments are unfair and unfounded, not professional at all. Sammi's obviously angry at what he has to deal with to get us within a shout of promotion, (the suits) slagging Will B is not the way to go Sammi, disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Yep. Did he not sit down with him and ask him what was wrong? If he could see he wasn't focused, he should have intervened in an attempt to convince him his future was with us. Surely you don't just shrug your shoulders and then tell the world it's someone else's fault? For me, it's a classic case of the manager protecting those above his head who made a financial decision. At least they're working as a team....[/p][/quote]Spot on! A manager is there to encourage and motivate his team. Ontheline
  • Score: 2

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