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Poyet warns Albion are not ready to go up yet

The Argus: Gus Poyet wants promotion - but with a side that can survive in top-flight Gus Poyet wants promotion - but with a side that can survive in top-flight

GUS Poyet has warned Albion are still a long way short of being a club equipped for the Premier League.

The Seagulls head for relegated Wolves tomorrow just a point and two places outside the Championship play-off zone.

Poyet is pleased with the progress they are making in their second season back in the second tier but he insists the Seagulls still have a lot of work to do to become a club capable of going up and staying up.

The Uruguayan, celebrating the third anniversary of his appointment as manager, said: “I don’t want to go up just for the sake of it and lose 3-0, 4-0 or 5-0 in the Premier League. Or you get up and resign, that is the other way.

“I would prefer, if we have got the chance to get up in the next few years, to stay there.

“We need to get stronger. We need to get more quality, all the options. We are better, I am not crying or complaining.

“We are much better. I am very pleased with the options we have got but there is always something you can improve.”

Reading and Southampton, promoted in first and second place last season, are currently both in the Premier League relegation zone without a win.

Poyet said: “It’s not easy. I think there is less of a gap between League One and the Championship than the Championship and the Premier League, although the gap from League One to the Championship is getting bigger.

“The teams that come up next year are going to have to change a lot, because the Championship is becoming really strong, competitive more than the quality. The Premier League is quality.

“If you go to one of the top ten and don’t perform at your best it could be anything. You could concede four, five or six and that is not nice.

“I would like to try to find the way that, when we are lucky enough to get up, we are strong enough to be a proper team in the Premier League.”

Poyet has defensive midfielder Liam Bridcutt back from a one-match ban for the trip to Molineux tomorrow but centre Adam El-Abd is still sidelined by a hamstring and has withdrawn from the Egypt squad for next week’s friendly against Georgia in Tbilisi.

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9:56am Fri 9 Nov 12

graham w says...

I totally agree with guses view i think its been obvious for some time we are not good enough, YET! and the last thing we want is thumpings every week, i think gus is putting a very honest view on the situation, we all have got carried away with euphoria of the stadium, gus, and championship footy," slowly slowly catchy monkey", I hope i see some goals at wolves sat for my sons sake cos i will meet him there, and he has yet to see them draw or win away. this season... seagulls
I totally agree with guses view i think its been obvious for some time we are not good enough, YET! and the last thing we want is thumpings every week, i think gus is putting a very honest view on the situation, we all have got carried away with euphoria of the stadium, gus, and championship footy," slowly slowly catchy monkey", I hope i see some goals at wolves sat for my sons sake cos i will meet him there, and he has yet to see them draw or win away. this season... seagulls graham w
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10:46am Fri 9 Nov 12

7dialsSeagul says...

I agree as well. It is self evident surely that we currently cannot compete at premiership level as we do not have the momentum to carry us through.

Interesting that only West Ham have come good in the Premiership and they did exactly what Gus is talking about - built a team for the Premiership and managed to get out of the Championship with it.

Shame that Saints at least are not doing better (recent bitter rivalries aside) as this would give Championship teams more hope. Theirs and Readings position is quite dispiriting.

Luckily watching Albion even at Championship level with the current team, is so far beyond previous levels of football enjoyment that i am happy to continue with it for ages, although we all like to play to win don't we
I agree as well. It is self evident surely that we currently cannot compete at premiership level as we do not have the momentum to carry us through. Interesting that only West Ham have come good in the Premiership and they did exactly what Gus is talking about - built a team for the Premiership and managed to get out of the Championship with it. Shame that Saints at least are not doing better (recent bitter rivalries aside) as this would give Championship teams more hope. Theirs and Readings position is quite dispiriting. Luckily watching Albion even at Championship level with the current team, is so far beyond previous levels of football enjoyment that i am happy to continue with it for ages, although we all like to play to win don't we 7dialsSeagul
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10:58am Fri 9 Nov 12

championshipgull says...

Very sensible statement from probably the best manager in the league and it helps keep expectations in check. Hopefully we will be ready at the start of next season.
Very sensible statement from probably the best manager in the league and it helps keep expectations in check. Hopefully we will be ready at the start of next season. championshipgull
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11:08am Fri 9 Nov 12

Tommy11 says...

100% agree with you Gus, I thought Southampton where strong last year, and look at them in the PL.

If we go up, we want to stay.....
100% agree with you Gus, I thought Southampton where strong last year, and look at them in the PL. If we go up, we want to stay..... Tommy11
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11:22am Fri 9 Nov 12

the taffster says...

here we go again.i knew it wouldnt be long before he issued such a statement.he did the same last year.if you sell your best striker and dont replace him,this is the consequence (look where palace are).probably 2 players away from being a top 4 side.but without wanting to purchase and pay worthy wages.you stagnate into mid table fodder.
here we go again.i knew it wouldnt be long before he issued such a statement.he did the same last year.if you sell your best striker and dont replace him,this is the consequence (look where palace are).probably 2 players away from being a top 4 side.but without wanting to purchase and pay worthy wages.you stagnate into mid table fodder. the taffster
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11:42am Fri 9 Nov 12

Dr Baldhead says...

Can't see how GP can be criticised for this. It shows not only that he's realistic about the team's ability, but also that he's here for the long haul. To be commended methinks.

3 years in this era of football is good. Can any of you Albion historians tell us the length of the longest serving Seagulls' managers?

UTA
Can't see how GP can be criticised for this. It shows not only that he's realistic about the team's ability, but also that he's here for the long haul. To be commended methinks. 3 years in this era of football is good. Can any of you Albion historians tell us the length of the longest serving Seagulls' managers? UTA Dr Baldhead
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11:45am Fri 9 Nov 12

Bish May Turn says...

With all of the above apart from our Welsh friend. I dont want our first season to be like Saints and Reading, losing week in week out is not enjoyable,and i dont want to see our fantastic crowd numbers declining. nothing worse than half empty grounds. Lets be patient enjoy the Championship for a season or two, then go for it.
With all of the above apart from our Welsh friend. I dont want our first season to be like Saints and Reading, losing week in week out is not enjoyable,and i dont want to see our fantastic crowd numbers declining. nothing worse than half empty grounds. Lets be patient enjoy the Championship for a season or two, then go for it. Bish May Turn
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11:51am Fri 9 Nov 12

Hovite says...

Taffy
I wouldn't change a thing and no one is sitting in their final league position. You make it sound as if Palace have already been promoted and that Murray has done it single handedly.

Cardiff looked as though they were well on their way but have lost two consecutively, letting in 5 goals against Charlton.

We have only lost 4 times, and it is only Palace and Blackburn who have lost less.

We have made great acquisitions with Kuszczak, Bridge, Bruno, Orlandi, Dobbie, Lopez, Crofts and Hammond, are we are building a solid foundation.

If you are unable to understand the process that is your problem but your comment is an uneducated one at best, which says more about your mental state this morning than the cub's long term plan.
Taffy I wouldn't change a thing and no one is sitting in their final league position. You make it sound as if Palace have already been promoted and that Murray has done it single handedly. Cardiff looked as though they were well on their way but have lost two consecutively, letting in 5 goals against Charlton. We have only lost 4 times, and it is only Palace and Blackburn who have lost less. We have made great acquisitions with Kuszczak, Bridge, Bruno, Orlandi, Dobbie, Lopez, Crofts and Hammond, are we are building a solid foundation. If you are unable to understand the process that is your problem but your comment is an uneducated one at best, which says more about your mental state this morning than the cub's long term plan. Hovite
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11:51am Fri 9 Nov 12

mr punch says...

the taffster wrote:
here we go again.i knew it wouldnt be long before he issued such a statement.he did the same last year.if you sell your best striker and dont replace him,this is the consequence (look where palace are).probably 2 players away from being a top 4 side.but without wanting to purchase and pay worthy wages.you stagnate into mid table fodder.
Bit of a negative view considering GP is only being honest. We would all love to see Albion in PL but equally so, wouldn't want to get whacked every week. P-Pal- anyway them are your archetypal yoyo team, been up and down more times than Jordan's drawers! Ideally we will make the play-off final, be a nice ay out at Wembley, decent pay day and prolong the season. I still remember our first game in the old first division, wewere all so excited as Arsenal came to the Goldstone and then got whacked 4-0. It may be great having so caled big clus at the Amex, but not if it means loitering with relegation all season. And please don't use the P-word on here, it's a family site :)
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: here we go again.i knew it wouldnt be long before he issued such a statement.he did the same last year.if you sell your best striker and dont replace him,this is the consequence (look where palace are).probably 2 players away from being a top 4 side.but without wanting to purchase and pay worthy wages.you stagnate into mid table fodder.[/p][/quote]Bit of a negative view considering GP is only being honest. We would all love to see Albion in PL but equally so, wouldn't want to get whacked every week. P-Pal- anyway them are your archetypal yoyo team, been up and down more times than Jordan's drawers! Ideally we will make the play-off final, be a nice ay out at Wembley, decent pay day and prolong the season. I still remember our first game in the old first division, wewere all so excited as Arsenal came to the Goldstone and then got whacked 4-0. It may be great having so caled big clus at the Amex, but not if it means loitering with relegation all season. And please don't use the P-word on here, it's a family site :) mr punch
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11:54am Fri 9 Nov 12

seagullsovergrimsby says...

We didn't sell our best striker at the time , he wanted a 3 year contract and better wages. Gus only offered 2 years and was very near to Murray's financial demands. Murray has only scored the amount of goals this season because of an attacking style and some very dubious penalty decisions.
We didn't sell our best striker at the time , he wanted a 3 year contract and better wages. Gus only offered 2 years and was very near to Murray's financial demands. Murray has only scored the amount of goals this season because of an attacking style and some very dubious penalty decisions. seagullsovergrimsby
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12:05pm Fri 9 Nov 12

markymark03 says...

We as a club would like to see progression. The play offs were always the target not instant promotion. I do agree with what Gus is saying but I wonder whether the players would take the play offs as seriously now? Has Gus nailed our coffin shut before the season has even finished?

I sometimes wonder if the players want to go up? He has told them time and time again that they are not 'quality' so surely they would be expected to be sold if we did make it.
We as a club would like to see progression. The play offs were always the target not instant promotion. I do agree with what Gus is saying but I wonder whether the players would take the play offs as seriously now? Has Gus nailed our coffin shut before the season has even finished? I sometimes wonder if the players want to go up? He has told them time and time again that they are not 'quality' so surely they would be expected to be sold if we did make it. markymark03
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12:10pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Hovite says...

Yeah I was there at our first Div 1 game mr punch, and thinking that wasn't supposed to be in the script.

It didn't get better after that.
Yeah I was there at our first Div 1 game mr punch, and thinking that wasn't supposed to be in the script. It didn't get better after that. Hovite
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12:13pm Fri 9 Nov 12

the taffster says...

finding a player of murrays calibre now would cost the club a good deal more.his price tag has risen considerably too.the reason why saints and reading are struggling is they havnt spent their 50 million wisely which they received when promoted.you need to buy 3 or 4 quality players. i have a message for nigel adkins.keep up man!we need a striker who can score penalties too.uta
finding a player of murrays calibre now would cost the club a good deal more.his price tag has risen considerably too.the reason why saints and reading are struggling is they havnt spent their 50 million wisely which they received when promoted.you need to buy 3 or 4 quality players. i have a message for nigel adkins.keep up man!we need a striker who can score penalties too.uta the taffster
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12:18pm Fri 9 Nov 12

the taffster says...

Hovite wrote:
Taffy
I wouldn't change a thing and no one is sitting in their final league position. You make it sound as if Palace have already been promoted and that Murray has done it single handedly.

Cardiff looked as though they were well on their way but have lost two consecutively, letting in 5 goals against Charlton.

We have only lost 4 times, and it is only Palace and Blackburn who have lost less.

We have made great acquisitions with Kuszczak, Bridge, Bruno, Orlandi, Dobbie, Lopez, Crofts and Hammond, are we are building a solid foundation.

If you are unable to understand the process that is your problem but your comment is an uneducated one at best, which says more about your mental state this morning than the cub's long term plan.
i agree with kuz,bridge and bruno being good acquisitions.the other 5 no.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Taffy I wouldn't change a thing and no one is sitting in their final league position. You make it sound as if Palace have already been promoted and that Murray has done it single handedly. Cardiff looked as though they were well on their way but have lost two consecutively, letting in 5 goals against Charlton. We have only lost 4 times, and it is only Palace and Blackburn who have lost less. We have made great acquisitions with Kuszczak, Bridge, Bruno, Orlandi, Dobbie, Lopez, Crofts and Hammond, are we are building a solid foundation. If you are unable to understand the process that is your problem but your comment is an uneducated one at best, which says more about your mental state this morning than the cub's long term plan.[/p][/quote]i agree with kuz,bridge and bruno being good acquisitions.the other 5 no. the taffster
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12:18pm Fri 9 Nov 12

tug509 says...

A very accurate and realistic statement,well said Gus ,especially the intimation that he will be hanging around.As for that croydon mob,i cant see them maintaining their start through 46 games.UTA
A very accurate and realistic statement,well said Gus ,especially the intimation that he will be hanging around.As for that croydon mob,i cant see them maintaining their start through 46 games.UTA tug509
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12:30pm Fri 9 Nov 12

kentseagull says...

frankly the way the premier league is at the moment i'm glad we are playing in the championship for now....its a more rounded and competitive league for a start, there are some excellent 'big names,' the standard of football is good and it doesn't seem to be all about players throwing their toys out of the pram and wage distortion due to massive foreign investment.
My only gripe is that with parachute payments as they are it makes it very hard for teams in the championship to compete with those relegated from the premiership without over extending themselves. Its about time these funds were reduced and the money shared more fairly with teams throughout the league pyramid
frankly the way the premier league is at the moment i'm glad we are playing in the championship for now....its a more rounded and competitive league for a start, there are some excellent 'big names,' the standard of football is good and it doesn't seem to be all about players throwing their toys out of the pram and wage distortion due to massive foreign investment. My only gripe is that with parachute payments as they are it makes it very hard for teams in the championship to compete with those relegated from the premiership without over extending themselves. Its about time these funds were reduced and the money shared more fairly with teams throughout the league pyramid kentseagull
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12:31pm Fri 9 Nov 12

kentseagull says...

frankly the way the premier league is at the moment i'm glad we are playing in the championship for now....its a more rounded and competitive league for a start, there are some excellent 'big names,' the standard of football is good and it doesn't seem to be all about players throwing their toys out of the pram and wage distortion due to massive foreign investment.
My only gripe is that with parachute payments as they are it makes it very hard for teams in the championship to compete with those relegated from the premiership without over extending themselves. Its about time these funds were reduced and the money shared more fairly with teams throughout the league pyramid
frankly the way the premier league is at the moment i'm glad we are playing in the championship for now....its a more rounded and competitive league for a start, there are some excellent 'big names,' the standard of football is good and it doesn't seem to be all about players throwing their toys out of the pram and wage distortion due to massive foreign investment. My only gripe is that with parachute payments as they are it makes it very hard for teams in the championship to compete with those relegated from the premiership without over extending themselves. Its about time these funds were reduced and the money shared more fairly with teams throughout the league pyramid kentseagull
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12:48pm Fri 9 Nov 12

SMF20 says...

He's a clever boy this manager of ours. I agree 100% with his statement that we are not ready for the Premiership yet. I'm also pretty sure though that he will be thinking that we are only 3 or 4 players away from being a team that is indeed ready for the next stage. For me I think the following are already good enough for the Premiership. Kuz, Bridge, Bruno, Dunk, Bridcutt, Buckley, Orlandi and Cms.
Uta
He's a clever boy this manager of ours. I agree 100% with his statement that we are not ready for the Premiership yet. I'm also pretty sure though that he will be thinking that we are only 3 or 4 players away from being a team that is indeed ready for the next stage. For me I think the following are already good enough for the Premiership. Kuz, Bridge, Bruno, Dunk, Bridcutt, Buckley, Orlandi and Cms. Uta SMF20
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12:49pm Fri 9 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

What Gus is saying today is pretty much what I posted on a thread just a few days ago, I am pleased to see that Gus has a grasp on reality.

The simple fact is that we only have one or two players that could make any sort of impression at the top level of soccor. If Gus is right, and I think he is, by the end of next season, 2013, the bulk of our current squad will not be with us, some will be gone at the end of this season.

To survive our first season playing premiership soccor at the Amex will require us to get promoted with at least two thirds of our players being good enough to be there, and that is going to take some serious money over the next few seasons.
To get that money we are going to have to trade players for a profit, buy wisely and sell big, CMS and Buckley might be the first two. Our development squad should, and could, be a revenue source for a couple of years to come.

People might say that to sell our up and coming youngsters defeats our goals, but I would argue that right now we need the money for a push when the time is right. We will all know when the push is real, it will be when players sign on a minimum three year deal and many on a five year contract. Those that sign for one or two years are with us for no other reason than to keep us in contention, they are not premiership contenders as individuals.
What Gus is saying today is pretty much what I posted on a thread just a few days ago, I am pleased to see that Gus has a grasp on reality. The simple fact is that we only have one or two players that could make any sort of impression at the top level of soccor. If Gus is right, and I think he is, by the end of next season, 2013, the bulk of our current squad will not be with us, some will be gone at the end of this season. To survive our first season playing premiership soccor at the Amex will require us to get promoted with at least two thirds of our players being good enough to be there, and that is going to take some serious money over the next few seasons. To get that money we are going to have to trade players for a profit, buy wisely and sell big, CMS and Buckley might be the first two. Our development squad should, and could, be a revenue source for a couple of years to come. People might say that to sell our up and coming youngsters defeats our goals, but I would argue that right now we need the money for a push when the time is right. We will all know when the push is real, it will be when players sign on a minimum three year deal and many on a five year contract. Those that sign for one or two years are with us for no other reason than to keep us in contention, they are not premiership contenders as individuals. VegasSeagull
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12:53pm Fri 9 Nov 12

batray says...

I think this is the start of excuses from Gus. I think it is dangerous too. BHA charges alot to go in the Amex. The crowds have come despite the very high cost. In the old Goldstone days it was always said the owners wanted 30K + crowds but stay in the then third division. Lack of ambition can lead to stagnation. I hope im wrong and there is a strategic plan and its being followed but I doubt it. I think we are just a few players short of being a very good side. My view still remains BHA are too defensive especially at home and Gus is not a good judge of strikers or able to use them. Talk like the above is just a way to hide this fact. My worry is the best signings like the best goalkeeper and fullbacks in the division will not be around if we dont keep building the side NOW.
I think this is the start of excuses from Gus. I think it is dangerous too. BHA charges alot to go in the Amex. The crowds have come despite the very high cost. In the old Goldstone days it was always said the owners wanted 30K + crowds but stay in the then third division. Lack of ambition can lead to stagnation. I hope im wrong and there is a strategic plan and its being followed but I doubt it. I think we are just a few players short of being a very good side. My view still remains BHA are too defensive especially at home and Gus is not a good judge of strikers or able to use them. Talk like the above is just a way to hide this fact. My worry is the best signings like the best goalkeeper and fullbacks in the division will not be around if we dont keep building the side NOW. batray
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12:56pm Fri 9 Nov 12

dave from bexill says...

Albion 0-Arsenal 4. Yeah, remember it well and Mullers stating afterwards the team had to learn very quickly. From memory, it was a tough season, but wasn't it a very exciting finish in which we won a few and survived?
With regards to Gus's statement above, absolutely correct and realistic, particularly when he says the championship is more about being competitive and rather less about quality.
Everything about the Albion's current set up is positive and geared for sustained success, although in terms of promotion, it may take a bit longer.
Albion 0-Arsenal 4. Yeah, remember it well and Mullers stating afterwards the team had to learn very quickly. From memory, it was a tough season, but wasn't it a very exciting finish in which we won a few and survived? With regards to Gus's statement above, absolutely correct and realistic, particularly when he says the championship is more about being competitive and rather less about quality. Everything about the Albion's current set up is positive and geared for sustained success, although in terms of promotion, it may take a bit longer. dave from bexill
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1:14pm Fri 9 Nov 12

mikeygit says...

It really has all been said above---but I totally agree with Gus---he is not making excuses he is being realistic. We are not reay for the Premiership---we do not have the money yet to spend on the players required in that division. No point in going up to come down the next season---reading and Sotton are not looking so good at present although a long way to go---but the ominous signs are there. We WILL get there some day but when we have the right players---remember some of our good players here now are on loan!!
It really has all been said above---but I totally agree with Gus---he is not making excuses he is being realistic. We are not reay for the Premiership---we do not have the money yet to spend on the players required in that division. No point in going up to come down the next season---reading and Sotton are not looking so good at present although a long way to go---but the ominous signs are there. We WILL get there some day but when we have the right players---remember some of our good players here now are on loan!! mikeygit
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1:15pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Hovite says...

Well said kentseagull , the parachute payments do give the relegated clubs an unfair advantage.

Regarding the club's mission, the plan is to get into the Prem before Kuzsczak's contract ends, which is 2 seasons. This season is about fine tuning and working on being on the same wave length.
Well said kentseagull , the parachute payments do give the relegated clubs an unfair advantage. Regarding the club's mission, the plan is to get into the Prem before Kuzsczak's contract ends, which is 2 seasons. This season is about fine tuning and working on being on the same wave length. Hovite
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1:18pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Poplar Seagull says...

the taffster wrote:
Hovite wrote: Taffy I wouldn't change a thing and no one is sitting in their final league position. You make it sound as if Palace have already been promoted and that Murray has done it single handedly. Cardiff looked as though they were well on their way but have lost two consecutively, letting in 5 goals against Charlton. We have only lost 4 times, and it is only Palace and Blackburn who have lost less. We have made great acquisitions with Kuszczak, Bridge, Bruno, Orlandi, Dobbie, Lopez, Crofts and Hammond, are we are building a solid foundation. If you are unable to understand the process that is your problem but your comment is an uneducated one at best, which says more about your mental state this morning than the cub's long term plan.
i agree with kuz,bridge and bruno being good acquisitions.the other 5 no.
I agree, Kuszczak and Bridge are defiantly Premiership class.

Bruno for me is debatable. He has been great, and is clearly a talented player but against a powerful, quick and direct winger I think he may struggle. He is not as brave as Calderon which for me is a little concerning and he seems to lose a lot of headers.

As for the others, I don't think they are good enough for the step up, Crofts and Hammond in particular. Although Crofts has played in the PL before, he always seems a bit slow and sluggish to me - and lacks creativity badly! I think he will drop down the leagues sooner that we (or he!) may think!
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Taffy I wouldn't change a thing and no one is sitting in their final league position. You make it sound as if Palace have already been promoted and that Murray has done it single handedly. Cardiff looked as though they were well on their way but have lost two consecutively, letting in 5 goals against Charlton. We have only lost 4 times, and it is only Palace and Blackburn who have lost less. We have made great acquisitions with Kuszczak, Bridge, Bruno, Orlandi, Dobbie, Lopez, Crofts and Hammond, are we are building a solid foundation. If you are unable to understand the process that is your problem but your comment is an uneducated one at best, which says more about your mental state this morning than the cub's long term plan.[/p][/quote]i agree with kuz,bridge and bruno being good acquisitions.the other 5 no.[/p][/quote]I agree, Kuszczak and Bridge are defiantly Premiership class. Bruno for me is debatable. He has been great, and is clearly a talented player but against a powerful, quick and direct winger I think he may struggle. He is not as brave as Calderon which for me is a little concerning and he seems to lose a lot of headers. As for the others, I don't think they are good enough for the step up, Crofts and Hammond in particular. Although Crofts has played in the PL before, he always seems a bit slow and sluggish to me - and lacks creativity badly! I think he will drop down the leagues sooner that we (or he!) may think! Poplar Seagull
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1:20pm Fri 9 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

gusset snatcher wrote:
He's opened his mouth again and made himself look a bigger c**t than he already is, even more than the posters on here. That's like turning up at the Olympics and saying you're not good enough to win but I'll do what I can, but don't expect anything because I'm not as good as the others.... time for the idiot to go, let's get Steve Coppell back here ffs
As usual your post defies your age and education.

The haul of gold medals from the London olympics was due to the fact that a few years ago someone had the sense to say that British athletes were not good enough to win gold medals in numbers.
The solution was to invest money, time and new facilities so as to increase the quality for the future, it worked.

Those in power at BHA have also to see that right now we are not good enough to get promoted and stay there so now we continue to build the club. Our new ground was step one, the improvement in the backroom staff step two. Step three has been the additions to the squad, a squad designed to keep us in the top ten, which it will. There are many more steps to be taken before we can hold our own in the top flight.
[quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: He's opened his mouth again and made himself look a bigger c**t than he already is, even more than the posters on here. That's like turning up at the Olympics and saying you're not good enough to win but I'll do what I can, but don't expect anything because I'm not as good as the others.... time for the idiot to go, let's get Steve Coppell back here ffs[/p][/quote]As usual your post defies your age and education. The haul of gold medals from the London olympics was due to the fact that a few years ago someone had the sense to say that British athletes were not good enough to win gold medals in numbers. The solution was to invest money, time and new facilities so as to increase the quality for the future, it worked. Those in power at BHA have also to see that right now we are not good enough to get promoted and stay there so now we continue to build the club. Our new ground was step one, the improvement in the backroom staff step two. Step three has been the additions to the squad, a squad designed to keep us in the top ten, which it will. There are many more steps to be taken before we can hold our own in the top flight. VegasSeagull
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1:25pm Fri 9 Nov 12

9 of us says...

Continue to enjoy the moment. Of course we are not ready to go up, but what is evident from the teams I have seen so far is that with the addition of say two decent players and current players improving, we have every chance of being involved at the end of the season.
Frightening really when we are very able at present to achieve promotion, but a long way off being able to sustain being a Premiership team.
Continue to enjoy the moment. Of course we are not ready to go up, but what is evident from the teams I have seen so far is that with the addition of say two decent players and current players improving, we have every chance of being involved at the end of the season. Frightening really when we are very able at present to achieve promotion, but a long way off being able to sustain being a Premiership team. 9 of us
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1:27pm Fri 9 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

If you think about it the teams top half of the premiership table as of today, probabaly all have at least one player, an dmany of them more than one, with a retail value of our entire team inlcuding the subs. When that changes will will be ready for promotion. .
If you think about it the teams top half of the premiership table as of today, probabaly all have at least one player, an dmany of them more than one, with a retail value of our entire team inlcuding the subs. When that changes will will be ready for promotion. . VegasSeagull
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1:28pm Fri 9 Nov 12

batray says...

I think if we do not go forward we will quickly slip back. What message is this for existing and potential new recruits. If he also said and we know the PROBLEM and are actively working on it - id be OK. Remember we have been looking for a target man for 18 months. Gus has admitted he is bored with the way we play. I think he needs help on the sorting out the attacking side and recruitment from a consultant such as Harry Rednap.
I think if we do not go forward we will quickly slip back. What message is this for existing and potential new recruits. If he also said and we know the PROBLEM and are actively working on it - id be OK. Remember we have been looking for a target man for 18 months. Gus has admitted he is bored with the way we play. I think he needs help on the sorting out the attacking side and recruitment from a consultant such as Harry Rednap. batray
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1:36pm Fri 9 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

Batray.

Do you think it possible that Gus has been told exactly what money he can spend and not a penny more?
If this is the case it tells us two things. One, the club is determined to hold on to sound buisness sense and two, Gus knows that with the money he can spend he is not going to get the players he might want, hence his statement. The elusive striker would cost a lot but maybe next season one of our own youngsters, possibly Barker or JFC, might solve the problem for free.
Batray. Do you think it possible that Gus has been told exactly what money he can spend and not a penny more? If this is the case it tells us two things. One, the club is determined to hold on to sound buisness sense and two, Gus knows that with the money he can spend he is not going to get the players he might want, hence his statement. The elusive striker would cost a lot but maybe next season one of our own youngsters, possibly Barker or JFC, might solve the problem for free. VegasSeagull
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1:44pm Fri 9 Nov 12

batray says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Batray.

Do you think it possible that Gus has been told exactly what money he can spend and not a penny more?
If this is the case it tells us two things. One, the club is determined to hold on to sound buisness sense and two, Gus knows that with the money he can spend he is not going to get the players he might want, hence his statement. The elusive striker would cost a lot but maybe next season one of our own youngsters, possibly Barker or JFC, might solve the problem for free.
So why did Gus say to the team a couple of games ago - if you don't start scoring I will get a new striker in - do we have funds or not ? I have been a BHA fan for 45 years + but even I am getting fed up with our lack of striking power. Remember he was willing to let CMS go - without him and Buckley I am afraid our goals per game would fall even further - may be to zero. Am i the only fan who thinks there is a real problem here.
In the week - corner after corner and no chance of putting it in the net - come on - get real please !!!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Batray. Do you think it possible that Gus has been told exactly what money he can spend and not a penny more? If this is the case it tells us two things. One, the club is determined to hold on to sound buisness sense and two, Gus knows that with the money he can spend he is not going to get the players he might want, hence his statement. The elusive striker would cost a lot but maybe next season one of our own youngsters, possibly Barker or JFC, might solve the problem for free.[/p][/quote]So why did Gus say to the team a couple of games ago - if you don't start scoring I will get a new striker in - do we have funds or not ? I have been a BHA fan for 45 years + but even I am getting fed up with our lack of striking power. Remember he was willing to let CMS go - without him and Buckley I am afraid our goals per game would fall even further - may be to zero. Am i the only fan who thinks there is a real problem here. In the week - corner after corner and no chance of putting it in the net - come on - get real please !!!! batray
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1:47pm Fri 9 Nov 12

pjwilk says...

Obvious we are not good enough if we were we would be well out in front at the top of the league.Need a player with heading ability up front,Barnett looked good,it would give us a lot of flick ons which un-nerve defenders.
Obvious we are not good enough if we were we would be well out in front at the top of the league.Need a player with heading ability up front,Barnett looked good,it would give us a lot of flick ons which un-nerve defenders. pjwilk
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2:01pm Fri 9 Nov 12

gobias industries says...

we'd be a **** sight closer with Murray and Noone in the squad. Murray was under-appreciated when he was here - he linked play and created a lot on his own as well as scoring goals. We've missed him ever since he left
we'd be a **** sight closer with Murray and Noone in the squad. Murray was under-appreciated when he was here - he linked play and created a lot on his own as well as scoring goals. We've missed him ever since he left gobias industries
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2:02pm Fri 9 Nov 12

wiseman of hove says...

The 'problem' may arise that we do find ourself in the mix for a promotion spot. I'm not convinced any of our rivals are ready player-wise any more than us, for the premiership. I think many posters here are taking a sensible view but my slight concern is that the best laid plans for progress and consolidation etc can get blown off course if say, the manager signs expensive players in the close season and for whatever reason they do not deliver. What I'm articulating is that sometimes you 'sieze the moment' if it arises.
The 'problem' may arise that we do find ourself in the mix for a promotion spot. I'm not convinced any of our rivals are ready player-wise any more than us, for the premiership. I think many posters here are taking a sensible view but my slight concern is that the best laid plans for progress and consolidation etc can get blown off course if say, the manager signs expensive players in the close season and for whatever reason they do not deliver. What I'm articulating is that sometimes you 'sieze the moment' if it arises. wiseman of hove
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2:02pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Hovite says...

They should invite you in for the team talk pj. They are obviously missing something.
They should invite you in for the team talk pj. They are obviously missing something. Hovite
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2:17pm Fri 9 Nov 12

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Rubbish -

Better to get up (& claim the 60 MIL reward), even if relegated first year, (& then claim the parachute payment when relegated).
And then fight for promotion again (& get the 60MIL reward) even if relegated a 2nd time (& claim another parachute payment).
And fight for pormotion again (& get the 60MIL reward) and at that point you will be a pretty rich club who would have bought some top talent with all those promotion finacial pay days and parachute payments.

Dont be fooled by the situation at Southampton. The reason they are struggling is just bad managment (Adkins mostly) who has never played or experienced top football, and the fact that they made some bizarre, inadequate, and inappropriate signings, some crazy substitutions and tactics, a naive approach to what was needed, didn;t re-build from the back and instead bought second rate strikers and stuck with a Lge 1 defence and midfield ???
Sainst worst player, (Fox), at left back. Compare that to Wayne Bridge at Brighton. They could have had him but stuck with Fox? Naive !!
Poyet & Bloom are in a different league, in my opinion, to not become the laughing stock that Saints are, but ultimately you will never be ready for the Prem unless you get cash to build a prem team, and you can't get enough cash to do that unless you get promoted, even at the expense or fear of a possible relegation, but I think we have the managment to get up and stay up, it's the cash that's needed.
Rubbish - Better to get up (& claim the 60 MIL reward), even if relegated first year, (& then claim the parachute payment when relegated). And then fight for promotion again (& get the 60MIL reward) even if relegated a 2nd time (& claim another parachute payment). And fight for pormotion again (& get the 60MIL reward) and at that point you will be a pretty rich club who would have bought some top talent with all those promotion finacial pay days and parachute payments. Dont be fooled by the situation at Southampton. The reason they are struggling is just bad managment (Adkins mostly) who has never played or experienced top football, and the fact that they made some bizarre, inadequate, and inappropriate signings, some crazy substitutions and tactics, a naive approach to what was needed, didn;t re-build from the back and instead bought second rate strikers and stuck with a Lge 1 defence and midfield ??? Sainst worst player, (Fox), at left back. Compare that to Wayne Bridge at Brighton. They could have had him but stuck with Fox? Naive !! Poyet & Bloom are in a different league, in my opinion, to not become the laughing stock that Saints are, but ultimately you will never be ready for the Prem unless you get cash to build a prem team, and you can't get enough cash to do that unless you get promoted, even at the expense or fear of a possible relegation, but I think we have the managment to get up and stay up, it's the cash that's needed. PressBoxTeaBoy
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2:18pm Fri 9 Nov 12

ShorehamBeachcomber says...

When saints come back down they'll have 40m + 20m + 20m more cash than us over 3 years to get 'stronger'...conveni
ently omits play off winner west ham in the top half who HAVE brought in a big target man!
When saints come back down they'll have 40m + 20m + 20m more cash than us over 3 years to get 'stronger'...conveni ently omits play off winner west ham in the top half who HAVE brought in a big target man! ShorehamBeachcomber
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2:21pm Fri 9 Nov 12

john newman says...

Motivating the team and supporters with no ambition is not wise. Ready or not we have to attack and go for it.
Motivating the team and supporters with no ambition is not wise. Ready or not we have to attack and go for it. john newman
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2:22pm Fri 9 Nov 12

The Real Ryfish says...

pjwilk wrote:
Obvious we are not good enough if we were we would be well out in front at the top of the league.Need a player with heading ability up front,Barnett looked good,it would give us a lot of flick ons which un-nerve defenders.
Is this the same Barnett who (almost) all of the Peterborough fans want dropped from the side for (a) a lack of goals, and (b) a lack of effort? I'm not sure he's quite the player we need to propel us to the Premier League!
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Obvious we are not good enough if we were we would be well out in front at the top of the league.Need a player with heading ability up front,Barnett looked good,it would give us a lot of flick ons which un-nerve defenders.[/p][/quote]Is this the same Barnett who (almost) all of the Peterborough fans want dropped from the side for (a) a lack of goals, and (b) a lack of effort? I'm not sure he's quite the player we need to propel us to the Premier League! The Real Ryfish
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2:26pm Fri 9 Nov 12

batray says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Rubbish -

Better to get up (& claim the 60 MIL reward), even if relegated first year, (& then claim the parachute payment when relegated).
And then fight for promotion again (& get the 60MIL reward) even if relegated a 2nd time (& claim another parachute payment).
And fight for pormotion again (& get the 60MIL reward) and at that point you will be a pretty rich club who would have bought some top talent with all those promotion finacial pay days and parachute payments.

Dont be fooled by the situation at Southampton. The reason they are struggling is just bad managment (Adkins mostly) who has never played or experienced top football, and the fact that they made some bizarre, inadequate, and inappropriate signings, some crazy substitutions and tactics, a naive approach to what was needed, didn;t re-build from the back and instead bought second rate strikers and stuck with a Lge 1 defence and midfield ???
Sainst worst player, (Fox), at left back. Compare that to Wayne Bridge at Brighton. They could have had him but stuck with Fox? Naive !!
Poyet & Bloom are in a different league, in my opinion, to not become the laughing stock that Saints are, but ultimately you will never be ready for the Prem unless you get cash to build a prem team, and you can't get enough cash to do that unless you get promoted, even at the expense or fear of a possible relegation, but I think we have the managment to get up and stay up, it's the cash that's needed.
Agree 100% on Southampton situation - they and Reading are being used as convenient excuses of why we need to be patient - whilst in the meantime the FL biggest average crowds fail to see hardly any goals. It really is a case of speculate to accumulate. And please do not quote Pompey - they were managed by "madmen" and play in a dump they do not even own. Its all about scoring goals stupid !! We have the defence in place to walk this league with one or two more quality strikers.
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Rubbish - Better to get up (& claim the 60 MIL reward), even if relegated first year, (& then claim the parachute payment when relegated). And then fight for promotion again (& get the 60MIL reward) even if relegated a 2nd time (& claim another parachute payment). And fight for pormotion again (& get the 60MIL reward) and at that point you will be a pretty rich club who would have bought some top talent with all those promotion finacial pay days and parachute payments. Dont be fooled by the situation at Southampton. The reason they are struggling is just bad managment (Adkins mostly) who has never played or experienced top football, and the fact that they made some bizarre, inadequate, and inappropriate signings, some crazy substitutions and tactics, a naive approach to what was needed, didn;t re-build from the back and instead bought second rate strikers and stuck with a Lge 1 defence and midfield ??? Sainst worst player, (Fox), at left back. Compare that to Wayne Bridge at Brighton. They could have had him but stuck with Fox? Naive !! Poyet & Bloom are in a different league, in my opinion, to not become the laughing stock that Saints are, but ultimately you will never be ready for the Prem unless you get cash to build a prem team, and you can't get enough cash to do that unless you get promoted, even at the expense or fear of a possible relegation, but I think we have the managment to get up and stay up, it's the cash that's needed.[/p][/quote]Agree 100% on Southampton situation - they and Reading are being used as convenient excuses of why we need to be patient - whilst in the meantime the FL biggest average crowds fail to see hardly any goals. It really is a case of speculate to accumulate. And please do not quote Pompey - they were managed by "madmen" and play in a dump they do not even own. Its all about scoring goals stupid !! We have the defence in place to walk this league with one or two more quality strikers. batray
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2:37pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Hovite says...

A great bit of advice for TB, speculate to accumulate, ha haa, you must give him a call batray.
A great bit of advice for TB, speculate to accumulate, ha haa, you must give him a call batray. Hovite
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2:42pm Fri 9 Nov 12

batray says...

Hovite wrote:
A great bit of advice for TB, speculate to accumulate, ha haa, you must give him a call batray.
We can all do with advice sometimes - perhaps even you and Gus !!
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: A great bit of advice for TB, speculate to accumulate, ha haa, you must give him a call batray.[/p][/quote]We can all do with advice sometimes - perhaps even you and Gus !! batray
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2:51pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Clean Sheet says...

Spot on Gus. However this does not mean we are not good enough to go up this season. We did not have a problem with goals earlier in the season, and will come good again. But our squad would not make it in the PL, Gus and TB know this, as do most real supporters.

I too remember the Arsenal 4-0 at the Goldstone. It was a real wake-up. We struggled that season, and just made it. We got 4 pts from Wolves. Where are we on Saturday? 6 pts this season will really help, but do not make us a PL team.
Spot on Gus. However this does not mean we are not good enough to go up this season. We did not have a problem with goals earlier in the season, and will come good again. But our squad would not make it in the PL, Gus and TB know this, as do most real supporters. I too remember the Arsenal 4-0 at the Goldstone. It was a real wake-up. We struggled that season, and just made it. We got 4 pts from Wolves. Where are we on Saturday? 6 pts this season will really help, but do not make us a PL team. Clean Sheet
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2:56pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Hovite says...

batray wrote:
Hovite wrote:
A great bit of advice for TB, speculate to accumulate, ha haa, you must give him a call batray.
We can all do with advice sometimes - perhaps even you and Gus !!
What I am saying is that TB already speculates to accumulate on a daily basis and he does not need anyone to tell him this. That's why we are where we are today.

For all we know there may be a specific player that we are targeting in January. To get a loan player to fill a role now would not be sensible, we did that a couple of times last year.

It's amazing how this has now been twisted to Gus saying he doesn't want promotion and is lacking ambition?

Right now we are not ready, however come April we may be.
[quote][p][bold]batray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: A great bit of advice for TB, speculate to accumulate, ha haa, you must give him a call batray.[/p][/quote]We can all do with advice sometimes - perhaps even you and Gus !![/p][/quote]What I am saying is that TB already speculates to accumulate on a daily basis and he does not need anyone to tell him this. That's why we are where we are today. For all we know there may be a specific player that we are targeting in January. To get a loan player to fill a role now would not be sensible, we did that a couple of times last year. It's amazing how this has now been twisted to Gus saying he doesn't want promotion and is lacking ambition? Right now we are not ready, however come April we may be. Hovite
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2:58pm Fri 9 Nov 12

lowerbeedingseagull says...

Any realistic person who was at the Peterborough game on Tuesday must realise that we are not contenders. The first half of the game was truly awful & would not have been out of place in Preston Park!! Never mind " keep the faith" our time will come,let's just get to 50 points for a start. January will be the acid test, will we buy or sell,i wonder?
Any realistic person who was at the Peterborough game on Tuesday must realise that we are not contenders. The first half of the game was truly awful & would not have been out of place in Preston Park!! Never mind " keep the faith" our time will come,let's just get to 50 points for a start. January will be the acid test, will we buy or sell,i wonder? lowerbeedingseagull
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3:22pm Fri 9 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

I would be interested to know what some of you think about our squad.

If the questions is, how many of our first choice 18 players do you think are good enough for the prem, what would be your answer. Rememeber Bridge is not ours. I would say, 'maybe,' four starters and two subs.
No need to name names.
I would be interested to know what some of you think about our squad. If the questions is, how many of our first choice 18 players do you think are good enough for the prem, what would be your answer. Rememeber Bridge is not ours. I would say, 'maybe,' four starters and two subs. No need to name names. VegasSeagull
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3:37pm Fri 9 Nov 12

wiltshire seagull says...

kentseagull wrote:
frankly the way the premier league is at the moment i'm glad we are playing in the championship for now....its a more rounded and competitive league for a start, there are some excellent 'big names,' the standard of football is good and it doesn't seem to be all about players throwing their toys out of the pram and wage distortion due to massive foreign investment.
My only gripe is that with parachute payments as they are it makes it very hard for teams in the championship to compete with those relegated from the premiership without over extending themselves. Its about time these funds were reduced and the money shared more fairly with teams throughout the league pyramid
I like the cut of your jib, sir! Very good post, I love the Championship, very competitive (far more so than the Prem) imho. The Parachute payments are an issue but I dont see the money being shared out more evenly anytime soon, do you? The FA don't give a what-sit about L1 and 2, they were stitched up two seasons ago for anyone who can't remember back that far, lol. Sensible statement Gustavo, lets keep keeping on (for now, at least). UTA.......
[quote][p][bold]kentseagull[/bold] wrote: frankly the way the premier league is at the moment i'm glad we are playing in the championship for now....its a more rounded and competitive league for a start, there are some excellent 'big names,' the standard of football is good and it doesn't seem to be all about players throwing their toys out of the pram and wage distortion due to massive foreign investment. My only gripe is that with parachute payments as they are it makes it very hard for teams in the championship to compete with those relegated from the premiership without over extending themselves. Its about time these funds were reduced and the money shared more fairly with teams throughout the league pyramid[/p][/quote]I like the cut of your jib, sir! Very good post, I love the Championship, very competitive (far more so than the Prem) imho. The Parachute payments are an issue but I dont see the money being shared out more evenly anytime soon, do you? The FA don't give a what-sit about L1 and 2, they were stitched up two seasons ago for anyone who can't remember back that far, lol. Sensible statement Gustavo, lets keep keeping on (for now, at least). UTA....... wiltshire seagull
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3:42pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Freeloaders says...

Lol some of you people live in a dream world.First Kuszczak,Bridge,& Buckley will not be here next season.If they wait one more season Kuszczak goes on a free.Bloom will not have that.Plus do you really think Southhampton & Norwich just let two prem league players go.
Lol some of you people live in a dream world.First Kuszczak,Bridge,& Buckley will not be here next season.If they wait one more season Kuszczak goes on a free.Bloom will not have that.Plus do you really think Southhampton & Norwich just let two prem league players go. Freeloaders
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3:46pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Freeloaders says...

Note they don't say this at the start of the season when they want your money.
Note they don't say this at the start of the season when they want your money. Freeloaders
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3:50pm Fri 9 Nov 12

LACHANCE says...

Spot on Gus at least three years to build a team capable of staying in the top flight.Even if we stay in the Championship for a few more years l still think we will get 225,000 + at games.
Spot on Gus at least three years to build a team capable of staying in the top flight.Even if we stay in the Championship for a few more years l still think we will get 225,000 + at games. LACHANCE
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4:04pm Fri 9 Nov 12

mikeygit says...

225,000 at each game---soon be able to afford that elusive striker with all that gate money!!!! and pay hs wages
225,000 at each game---soon be able to afford that elusive striker with all that gate money!!!! and pay hs wages mikeygit
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4:21pm Fri 9 Nov 12

LACHANCE says...

Not 225,000 but 25,000
Not 225,000 but 25,000 LACHANCE
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4:21pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Jonathan Mouette says...

Recall the build up to this season, given the disappointing end of last season...? We (sorry, TB and GP) brought in TK, WB and BS... superb acquisitions and a real sign of intent. In a scramble at the end of the transfer window we whisk in another 4 players. With 7 new faces we are now told that even this is not the done deal. What the hell was the point of increasing the wage bill with the last 4 additions if they were not/are not good enough to accomplish the task in front of them. (Incidentally I think Orlandi could make a real difference - a little Vicente in the making...). Who is kidding who? I remember only too clearly this same message of doom and despair being boomed out last year - and the dismal fade-out as the season drew to a close. Please assure me this isn't going to be the case all over again.

And no, I'm not a troll, I live and breathe the Albion. I do however doubt certain man-management skills of GP and wonder whether he really gets the best out of those he selects. Ho Hum, I hope both GP and I are wrong for our respective arguments... Fingers crossed!
Recall the build up to this season, given the disappointing end of last season...? We (sorry, TB and GP) brought in TK, WB and BS... superb acquisitions and a real sign of intent. In a scramble at the end of the transfer window we whisk in another 4 players. With 7 new faces we are now told that even this is not the done deal. What the hell was the point of increasing the wage bill with the last 4 additions if they were not/are not good enough to accomplish the task in front of them. (Incidentally I think Orlandi could make a real difference - a little Vicente in the making...). Who is kidding who? I remember only too clearly this same message of doom and despair being boomed out last year - and the dismal fade-out as the season drew to a close. Please assure me this isn't going to be the case all over again. And no, I'm not a troll, I live and breathe the Albion. I do however doubt certain man-management skills of GP and wonder whether he really gets the best out of those he selects. Ho Hum, I hope both GP and I are wrong for our respective arguments... Fingers crossed! Jonathan Mouette
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4:21pm Fri 9 Nov 12

davidinsouthampton says...

mikeygit wrote:
225,000 at each game---soon be able to afford that elusive striker with all that gate money!!!! and pay hs wages
But we would need to make the stadium 7 times bigger, which might cost a few quid.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: 225,000 at each game---soon be able to afford that elusive striker with all that gate money!!!! and pay hs wages[/p][/quote]But we would need to make the stadium 7 times bigger, which might cost a few quid. davidinsouthampton
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4:29pm Fri 9 Nov 12

wiseman of hove says...

LACHANCE wrote:
Spot on Gus at least three years to build a team capable of staying in the top flight.Even if we stay in the Championship for a few more years l still think we will get 225,000 + at games.
If it transpires we are in the Championship for a few years so be it. We have come a long way thanks to the board and the manager. However, the problem with the three year period that you mention is that during that period, we may have lost a number of our current key players. There is no quarantee that they will be replaced either by shrewd signings or breakthrough youngsters from the new training facility. I am assuming that the club are striving for the premiership as quickly as possible and I am taking with a pinch of salt what I am reading in this article..
[quote][p][bold]LACHANCE[/bold] wrote: Spot on Gus at least three years to build a team capable of staying in the top flight.Even if we stay in the Championship for a few more years l still think we will get 225,000 + at games.[/p][/quote]If it transpires we are in the Championship for a few years so be it. We have come a long way thanks to the board and the manager. However, the problem with the three year period that you mention is that during that period, we may have lost a number of our current key players. There is no quarantee that they will be replaced either by shrewd signings or breakthrough youngsters from the new training facility. I am assuming that the club are striving for the premiership as quickly as possible and I am taking with a pinch of salt what I am reading in this article.. wiseman of hove
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4:30pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Chi Gull says...

Usual mix of sensible comments and rubbish here. Last season Murray did nothing at Palace. He didn't want to play for us - that's why he left. If a player wants to move there isn't much you can do about it.

The squad is stronger than last season. We are dominating games, but not scoring enough. I do't think we need a big target man -we don't hoof the ball up the field so why have a big target man? We just need to be a little bit more attack minded early on in games - like we were against Leeds.

People make judgments about the whole season based on one game. After Sheff Weds we were certainties for promotion with a fantastic squad. After Peterborough we are not good enough and need to strengthen.

How do you think Palace fans were feeling after the first 4 games, with 4-1 defeats to Bristol City and Preston and no points? Football is full of ebbs and flows - thats why its such a great game.

It's early days and the Championship is a great league. Proper football without all the money and hype of the Premier League. Lets just enjoy watching the Albion in the best ground in the League, with the best beer and the best pies.
Usual mix of sensible comments and rubbish here. Last season Murray did nothing at Palace. He didn't want to play for us - that's why he left. If a player wants to move there isn't much you can do about it. The squad is stronger than last season. We are dominating games, but not scoring enough. I do't think we need a big target man -we don't hoof the ball up the field so why have a big target man? We just need to be a little bit more attack minded early on in games - like we were against Leeds. People make judgments about the whole season based on one game. After Sheff Weds we were certainties for promotion with a fantastic squad. After Peterborough we are not good enough and need to strengthen. How do you think Palace fans were feeling after the first 4 games, with 4-1 defeats to Bristol City and Preston and no points? Football is full of ebbs and flows - thats why its such a great game. It's early days and the Championship is a great league. Proper football without all the money and hype of the Premier League. Lets just enjoy watching the Albion in the best ground in the League, with the best beer and the best pies. Chi Gull
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4:52pm Fri 9 Nov 12

fratsomrover says...

Chi Gull wrote:
Usual mix of sensible comments and rubbish here. Last season Murray did nothing at Palace. He didn't want to play for us - that's why he left. If a player wants to move there isn't much you can do about it.

The squad is stronger than last season. We are dominating games, but not scoring enough. I do't think we need a big target man -we don't hoof the ball up the field so why have a big target man? We just need to be a little bit more attack minded early on in games - like we were against Leeds.

People make judgments about the whole season based on one game. After Sheff Weds we were certainties for promotion with a fantastic squad. After Peterborough we are not good enough and need to strengthen.

How do you think Palace fans were feeling after the first 4 games, with 4-1 defeats to Bristol City and Preston and no points? Football is full of ebbs and flows - thats why its such a great game.

It's early days and the Championship is a great league. Proper football without all the money and hype of the Premier League. Lets just enjoy watching the Albion in the best ground in the League, with the best beer and the best pies.
Sensible enough Chi Gul, I agree with you. I would like to add that the reason we appeared attack minded against Leeds was because Warnock plays an attacking set up frequently pushing 3 or 4 men forward of the ball when they gain possession. That leaves space and gaps in the midfield and defence which we exploited to a degree. Posh only ever had one up front and kept 7+ behind the ball at all times, thereby denying us the space to exploit. With our defensive set-up, we struggle to make inroads into packed defences because we are always outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1. Maybe it's Gus who is not up to promotion if he cant see that, not the players. The Manager lays out the game plan and it is he who has been shown wanting against these poorer, more negative sides. They were sides we should have beaten and could have if we'd been more positive and got more players into the final third.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: Usual mix of sensible comments and rubbish here. Last season Murray did nothing at Palace. He didn't want to play for us - that's why he left. If a player wants to move there isn't much you can do about it. The squad is stronger than last season. We are dominating games, but not scoring enough. I do't think we need a big target man -we don't hoof the ball up the field so why have a big target man? We just need to be a little bit more attack minded early on in games - like we were against Leeds. People make judgments about the whole season based on one game. After Sheff Weds we were certainties for promotion with a fantastic squad. After Peterborough we are not good enough and need to strengthen. How do you think Palace fans were feeling after the first 4 games, with 4-1 defeats to Bristol City and Preston and no points? Football is full of ebbs and flows - thats why its such a great game. It's early days and the Championship is a great league. Proper football without all the money and hype of the Premier League. Lets just enjoy watching the Albion in the best ground in the League, with the best beer and the best pies.[/p][/quote]Sensible enough Chi Gul, I agree with you. I would like to add that the reason we appeared attack minded against Leeds was because Warnock plays an attacking set up frequently pushing 3 or 4 men forward of the ball when they gain possession. That leaves space and gaps in the midfield and defence which we exploited to a degree. Posh only ever had one up front and kept 7+ behind the ball at all times, thereby denying us the space to exploit. With our defensive set-up, we struggle to make inroads into packed defences because we are always outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1. Maybe it's Gus who is not up to promotion if he cant see that, not the players. The Manager lays out the game plan and it is he who has been shown wanting against these poorer, more negative sides. They were sides we should have beaten and could have if we'd been more positive and got more players into the final third. fratsomrover
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5:26pm Fri 9 Nov 12

BHArulz says...

To me this was obviously always the case. Given the choice I would rather go up and stay there as opposed to the other option of going up and coming back down. Of course at the beginning of the season there was a lot of hype but who starts the season aiming for the gutter? You aim high, I don't understand why people are so shocked. Just as said 2weeks ago and the majority were slating me this is and always has been a long term project. Just enjoy the ride and remember these days in 20 years time. And lastly can we just let the Murray thing go it's getting old and boring now.
To me this was obviously always the case. Given the choice I would rather go up and stay there as opposed to the other option of going up and coming back down. Of course at the beginning of the season there was a lot of hype but who starts the season aiming for the gutter? You aim high, I don't understand why people are so shocked. Just as said 2weeks ago and the majority were slating me this is and always has been a long term project. Just enjoy the ride and remember these days in 20 years time. And lastly can we just let the Murray thing go it's getting old and boring now. BHArulz
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6:12pm Fri 9 Nov 12

fairweathersupporter says...

At least we're not ready to go down

We will probably see Premiership football in the next two to three years.
We are unlikely to see Div 1 football in that time.
That is progress.
At least we're not ready to go down We will probably see Premiership football in the next two to three years. We are unlikely to see Div 1 football in that time. That is progress. fairweathersupporter
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6:49pm Fri 9 Nov 12

The Phantom says...

The only trouble with this philosophy is that the teams that go up (and then come down again) get a bundle full of money, so getting promoted and going down again does have its advantages.
The only trouble with this philosophy is that the teams that go up (and then come down again) get a bundle full of money, so getting promoted and going down again does have its advantages. The Phantom
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7:07pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Guernsey c gull says...

I will as usual listen to the match tomorrow on the seagulls player.,and hopefully listen to us getting a win.always look forward to this on match days.the only downside is the many many times the main commentator uses the phrase :to be fair : I counted 19 times on Tuesday and I spend a lot of time counting these than listening to the match !
Somebody ask him to stop it. ! !
I will as usual listen to the match tomorrow on the seagulls player.,and hopefully listen to us getting a win.always look forward to this on match days.the only downside is the many many times the main commentator uses the phrase :to be fair : I counted 19 times on Tuesday and I spend a lot of time counting these than listening to the match ! Somebody ask him to stop it. ! ! Guernsey c gull
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7:37pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Ringmer Rich says...

batray wrote:
I think this is the start of excuses from Gus. I think it is dangerous too. BHA charges alot to go in the Amex. The crowds have come despite the very high cost. In the old Goldstone days it was always said the owners wanted 30K + crowds but stay in the then third division. Lack of ambition can lead to stagnation. I hope im wrong and there is a strategic plan and its being followed but I doubt it. I think we are just a few players short of being a very good side. My view still remains BHA are too defensive especially at home and Gus is not a good judge of strikers or able to use them. Talk like the above is just a way to hide this fact. My worry is the best signings like the best goalkeeper and fullbacks in the division will not be around if we dont keep building the side NOW.
The very high costs? You think the prices wont go up if we get promoted to the premier league? You'll be looking at £35-£40 minimum for the cheapest seat!!
[quote][p][bold]batray[/bold] wrote: I think this is the start of excuses from Gus. I think it is dangerous too. BHA charges alot to go in the Amex. The crowds have come despite the very high cost. In the old Goldstone days it was always said the owners wanted 30K + crowds but stay in the then third division. Lack of ambition can lead to stagnation. I hope im wrong and there is a strategic plan and its being followed but I doubt it. I think we are just a few players short of being a very good side. My view still remains BHA are too defensive especially at home and Gus is not a good judge of strikers or able to use them. Talk like the above is just a way to hide this fact. My worry is the best signings like the best goalkeeper and fullbacks in the division will not be around if we dont keep building the side NOW.[/p][/quote]The very high costs? You think the prices wont go up if we get promoted to the premier league? You'll be looking at £35-£40 minimum for the cheapest seat!! Ringmer Rich
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7:53pm Fri 9 Nov 12

IRISHGULL says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gusset snatcher wrote:
He's opened his mouth again and made himself look a bigger c**t than he already is, even more than the posters on here. That's like turning up at the Olympics and saying you're not good enough to win but I'll do what I can, but don't expect anything because I'm not as good as the others.... time for the idiot to go, let's get Steve Coppell back here ffs
As usual your post defies your age and education.

The haul of gold medals from the London olympics was due to the fact that a few years ago someone had the sense to say that British athletes were not good enough to win gold medals in numbers.
The solution was to invest money, time and new facilities so as to increase the quality for the future, it worked.

Those in power at BHA have also to see that right now we are not good enough to get promoted and stay there so now we continue to build the club. Our new ground was step one, the improvement in the backroom staff step two. Step three has been the additions to the squad, a squad designed to keep us in the top ten, which it will. There are many more steps to be taken before we can hold our own in the top flight.
the orc from (croydon) moldore returns. vegas this idiot should not be on here, but hey i guess he s taking time out from filming the remake of one flew over the cuckoos nest. On a more serious note, after watching the eighteen year old striker scoring the winner for celtic against barca do wish our youngsters will be given a chance in the future.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: He's opened his mouth again and made himself look a bigger c**t than he already is, even more than the posters on here. That's like turning up at the Olympics and saying you're not good enough to win but I'll do what I can, but don't expect anything because I'm not as good as the others.... time for the idiot to go, let's get Steve Coppell back here ffs[/p][/quote]As usual your post defies your age and education. The haul of gold medals from the London olympics was due to the fact that a few years ago someone had the sense to say that British athletes were not good enough to win gold medals in numbers. The solution was to invest money, time and new facilities so as to increase the quality for the future, it worked. Those in power at BHA have also to see that right now we are not good enough to get promoted and stay there so now we continue to build the club. Our new ground was step one, the improvement in the backroom staff step two. Step three has been the additions to the squad, a squad designed to keep us in the top ten, which it will. There are many more steps to be taken before we can hold our own in the top flight.[/p][/quote]the orc from (croydon) moldore returns. vegas this idiot should not be on here, but hey i guess he s taking time out from filming the remake of one flew over the cuckoos nest. On a more serious note, after watching the eighteen year old striker scoring the winner for celtic against barca do wish our youngsters will be given a chance in the future. IRISHGULL
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7:57pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Ringmer Rich says...

Freeloaders wrote:
Note they don't say this at the start of the season when they want your money.
There was no mention of promotion either. I believe at the beginning of the season Gus said something like finishing higher than 10th. You people must be living in some kind of dream world. Look where we were two seasons ago and get real. There is no rich consortium with megamillions (a la chelsea or man city) waiting in the wings. We have good professionals running the club now, and we go into every game looking to win. I have no doubt that if we were to get promoted this season, Gus and the gang would relish the challenge. He is just being realistic in saying how we would struggle for the majority of games with the current squad. Nowhere does he say that he isn't trying for promotion.
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: Note they don't say this at the start of the season when they want your money.[/p][/quote]There was no mention of promotion either. I believe at the beginning of the season Gus said something like finishing higher than 10th. You people must be living in some kind of dream world. Look where we were two seasons ago and get real. There is no rich consortium with megamillions (a la chelsea or man city) waiting in the wings. We have good professionals running the club now, and we go into every game looking to win. I have no doubt that if we were to get promoted this season, Gus and the gang would relish the challenge. He is just being realistic in saying how we would struggle for the majority of games with the current squad. Nowhere does he say that he isn't trying for promotion. Ringmer Rich
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8:12pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Claude Back says...

Guernsey c gull wrote:
I will as usual listen to the match tomorrow on the seagulls player.,and hopefully listen to us getting a win.always look forward to this on match days.the only downside is the many many times the main commentator uses the phrase :to be fair : I counted 19 times on Tuesday and I spend a lot of time counting these than listening to the match !
Somebody ask him to stop it. ! !
Also, likewise, John 'Like I say' Byrne. He says this all the time even when he hasn't whatever it is before!
[quote][p][bold]Guernsey c gull[/bold] wrote: I will as usual listen to the match tomorrow on the seagulls player.,and hopefully listen to us getting a win.always look forward to this on match days.the only downside is the many many times the main commentator uses the phrase :to be fair : I counted 19 times on Tuesday and I spend a lot of time counting these than listening to the match ! Somebody ask him to stop it. ! ![/p][/quote]Also, likewise, John 'Like I say' Byrne. He says this all the time even when he hasn't whatever it is before! Claude Back
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8:49pm Fri 9 Nov 12

tonyfalmer says...

Very interesting views good game init.
With the highest aggregate home attendances in the Championship the pressure to become one of the "top teams" will only increase. Lets hope that TB has his own full house and takes home the lolly ready for spending at his baby BHA
Very interesting views good game init. With the highest aggregate home attendances in the Championship the pressure to become one of the "top teams" will only increase. Lets hope that TB has his own full house and takes home the lolly ready for spending at his baby BHA tonyfalmer
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10:00pm Fri 9 Nov 12

BobbyLaverick says...

More good news for the Amex and the club :

http://www.seagulls.
co.uk/news/article/a
mex-scoops-another-m
ajor-award-478217.as
px
More good news for the Amex and the club : http://www.seagulls. co.uk/news/article/a mex-scoops-another-m ajor-award-478217.as px BobbyLaverick
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10:29pm Fri 9 Nov 12

andyp123 says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Recall the build up to this season, given the disappointing end of last season...? We (sorry, TB and GP) brought in TK, WB and BS... superb acquisitions and a real sign of intent. In a scramble at the end of the transfer window we whisk in another 4 players. With 7 new faces we are now told that even this is not the done deal. What the hell was the point of increasing the wage bill with the last 4 additions if they were not/are not good enough to accomplish the task in front of them. (Incidentally I think Orlandi could make a real difference - a little Vicente in the making...). Who is kidding who? I remember only too clearly this same message of doom and despair being boomed out last year - and the dismal fade-out as the season drew to a close. Please assure me this isn't going to be the case all over again.

And no, I'm not a troll, I live and breathe the Albion. I do however doubt certain man-management skills of GP and wonder whether he really gets the best out of those he selects. Ho Hum, I hope both GP and I are wrong for our respective arguments... Fingers crossed!
Spot on!
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Recall the build up to this season, given the disappointing end of last season...? We (sorry, TB and GP) brought in TK, WB and BS... superb acquisitions and a real sign of intent. In a scramble at the end of the transfer window we whisk in another 4 players. With 7 new faces we are now told that even this is not the done deal. What the hell was the point of increasing the wage bill with the last 4 additions if they were not/are not good enough to accomplish the task in front of them. (Incidentally I think Orlandi could make a real difference - a little Vicente in the making...). Who is kidding who? I remember only too clearly this same message of doom and despair being boomed out last year - and the dismal fade-out as the season drew to a close. Please assure me this isn't going to be the case all over again. And no, I'm not a troll, I live and breathe the Albion. I do however doubt certain man-management skills of GP and wonder whether he really gets the best out of those he selects. Ho Hum, I hope both GP and I are wrong for our respective arguments... Fingers crossed![/p][/quote]Spot on! andyp123
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10:55pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Vince says...

The posts on here vary from those who think Gus is being sensible realistic, to those who think that he is sending out the wrong message to players and fans and that we will sink down to mid-table mediocrity due to lack of ambition and lose our best players. Others say "no to promotion" as we will come straight back down, to those who say "yes to promotion" and take the money and parachute payments if we do come straight down.

Gus is a shrewd guy, and he always adopts the cautious approach. If he aims low, then everyone applauds him if we do better. My hunch is that he will try and improve the squad in january. He has effectively issued a "hands off" warning for those clubs who might be after Buckley, but I think he would listen to offers over £4m for CMS. Don't believe for one second that he doesn't want us to go up. However, he is stating the obvious that the current squad would struggle in the Premiership, and he knows where we need to strengthen. He has a much better grasp of the Championship than last year and is gradually building a stronger squad. Maybe some of his acquisitions haven't quite set the world alight, but I believe Gus is getting there. IMHO the following players could feature in the Premiership: Kusczak, Bridge, El-Abd, Orlandi, Buckley, Dobbie and CMS (7 players). There is a chance that Lua Lua, Bridcutt and Dunk (3 players) might develop into useful squad members, but a question mark over Bruno (defensively) and Hoskins (still to prove himself). Crofts, Hammond and Dicker probably would struggle in the top tier as they lack the pace, finesse and craft needed in midfield at the top level. But Vicente....will he deliver???? He might if we get promoted!!!
Who knows how quickly some of our promising youngsters like Dickenson, Barker, Adgestein and Caskey will develop.

To me the above indicates a very promising base, on which Gus will be hoping to mould us into top team with the right additions in January.
The posts on here vary from those who think Gus is being sensible realistic, to those who think that he is sending out the wrong message to players and fans and that we will sink down to mid-table mediocrity due to lack of ambition and lose our best players. Others say "no to promotion" as we will come straight back down, to those who say "yes to promotion" and take the money and parachute payments if we do come straight down. Gus is a shrewd guy, and he always adopts the cautious approach. If he aims low, then everyone applauds him if we do better. My hunch is that he will try and improve the squad in january. He has effectively issued a "hands off" warning for those clubs who might be after Buckley, but I think he would listen to offers over £4m for CMS. Don't believe for one second that he doesn't want us to go up. However, he is stating the obvious that the current squad would struggle in the Premiership, and he knows where we need to strengthen. He has a much better grasp of the Championship than last year and is gradually building a stronger squad. Maybe some of his acquisitions haven't quite set the world alight, but I believe Gus is getting there. IMHO the following players could feature in the Premiership: Kusczak, Bridge, El-Abd, Orlandi, Buckley, Dobbie and CMS (7 players). There is a chance that Lua Lua, Bridcutt and Dunk (3 players) might develop into useful squad members, but a question mark over Bruno (defensively) and Hoskins (still to prove himself). Crofts, Hammond and Dicker probably would struggle in the top tier as they lack the pace, finesse and craft needed in midfield at the top level. But Vicente....will he deliver???? He might if we get promoted!!! Who knows how quickly some of our promising youngsters like Dickenson, Barker, Adgestein and Caskey will develop. To me the above indicates a very promising base, on which Gus will be hoping to mould us into top team with the right additions in January. Vince
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9:02am Sat 10 Nov 12

WisdomSpeaks says...

tug509 wrote:
A very accurate and realistic statement,well said Gus ,especially the intimation that he will be hanging around.As for that croydon mob,i cant see them maintaining their start through 46 games.UTA
Hey tug509 I'm a diehard Albion fan but I'll lay you a wager that they will go up with 'Ollie' there! That guy has got b**** and really goes for it. All this talk about 'not yet ready' is just fear. You ask those Blackpool fans AND the Board if they would rather have 'waited' until everything was perfect and I'll bet what they would say. Only people who are afraid of failure 'put off' going for success. Remember, 'If you can meet with triumph AND 'disaster' and treat those two IMPOSTORS just the same'. Life does simply not work the way some think. You simply HAVE to go for it and let the rest take care of itself. I am grateful for where we are today and please no one underestimate the positive effect The Amex has had on perception. As for Gus hanging around - nobody seems to want him when all these jobs come up cos he's still here. He's a smart cookie and knows where his bread is buttered. Can you name me a manager who has left us over the past 50 years and gone on and bettered themselves? Maybe Steve Coppell to Reading (a wonderful manager IMO), Peter Taylor to England, Freddie Goodwin to Birmingham and the immortal Brian Clough to European Cups and League Championships with Forest. I'm up to hear of any others. It's a strange thing about our place - when managers leave they either go down the scale or quietly drift away from the game.
My concern is that the moment the man in charge comes out and says 'we're not yet ready' or 'this team's not good enough' that is the kiss of death. It happened last season when we were still occupying the play off spot. Then look what happened. Many people don't understand the power of words and BELIEF! I really hope I'm proved wrong.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: A very accurate and realistic statement,well said Gus ,especially the intimation that he will be hanging around.As for that croydon mob,i cant see them maintaining their start through 46 games.UTA[/p][/quote]Hey tug509 I'm a diehard Albion fan but I'll lay you a wager that they will go up with 'Ollie' there! That guy has got b**** and really goes for it. All this talk about 'not yet ready' is just fear. You ask those Blackpool fans AND the Board if they would rather have 'waited' until everything was perfect and I'll bet what they would say. Only people who are afraid of failure 'put off' going for success. Remember, 'If you can meet with triumph AND 'disaster' and treat those two IMPOSTORS just the same'. Life does simply not work the way some think. You simply HAVE to go for it and let the rest take care of itself. I am grateful for where we are today and please no one underestimate the positive effect The Amex has had on perception. As for Gus hanging around - nobody seems to want him when all these jobs come up cos he's still here. He's a smart cookie and knows where his bread is buttered. Can you name me a manager who has left us over the past 50 years and gone on and bettered themselves? Maybe Steve Coppell to Reading (a wonderful manager IMO), Peter Taylor to England, Freddie Goodwin to Birmingham and the immortal Brian Clough to European Cups and League Championships with Forest. I'm up to hear of any others. It's a strange thing about our place - when managers leave they either go down the scale or quietly drift away from the game. My concern is that the moment the man in charge comes out and says 'we're not yet ready' or 'this team's not good enough' that is the kiss of death. It happened last season when we were still occupying the play off spot. Then look what happened. Many people don't understand the power of words and BELIEF! I really hope I'm proved wrong. WisdomSpeaks
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2:46pm Sat 10 Nov 12

Freeloaders says...

Such a good post it gives me hope.Palace only went for Ollie for one reason,they think his the best man to take them up.
Such a good post it gives me hope.Palace only went for Ollie for one reason,they think his the best man to take them up. Freeloaders
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11:47am Thu 15 Nov 12

Cash Bull says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
tug509 wrote:
A very accurate and realistic statement,well said Gus ,especially the intimation that he will be hanging around.As for that croydon mob,i cant see them maintaining their start through 46 games.UTA
Hey tug509 I'm a diehard Albion fan but I'll lay you a wager that they will go up with 'Ollie' there! That guy has got b**** and really goes for it. All this talk about 'not yet ready' is just fear. You ask those Blackpool fans AND the Board if they would rather have 'waited' until everything was perfect and I'll bet what they would say. Only people who are afraid of failure 'put off' going for success. Remember, 'If you can meet with triumph AND 'disaster' and treat those two IMPOSTORS just the same'. Life does simply not work the way some think. You simply HAVE to go for it and let the rest take care of itself. I am grateful for where we are today and please no one underestimate the positive effect The Amex has had on perception. As for Gus hanging around - nobody seems to want him when all these jobs come up cos he's still here. He's a smart cookie and knows where his bread is buttered. Can you name me a manager who has left us over the past 50 years and gone on and bettered themselves? Maybe Steve Coppell to Reading (a wonderful manager IMO), Peter Taylor to England, Freddie Goodwin to Birmingham and the immortal Brian Clough to European Cups and League Championships with Forest. I'm up to hear of any others. It's a strange thing about our place - when managers leave they either go down the scale or quietly drift away from the game.
My concern is that the moment the man in charge comes out and says 'we're not yet ready' or 'this team's not good enough' that is the kiss of death. It happened last season when we were still occupying the play off spot. Then look what happened. Many people don't understand the power of words and BELIEF! I really hope I'm proved wrong.
I AGREE 100 percent......

Great point of view that Gus, I am sure that it will attract any ambitious player... ....... and the Promotion Pot!.... and Parachute ..... would set Brighton up with MILLIONS for years to come. But hey! Maybe it is not just the Team that is not ready for the Big Time eh Gus!!Plus at the moment, with Christmas around the corner, it is looking like the rest of the league have sussed us out and we might not be ready for the Championship....
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: A very accurate and realistic statement,well said Gus ,especially the intimation that he will be hanging around.As for that croydon mob,i cant see them maintaining their start through 46 games.UTA[/p][/quote]Hey tug509 I'm a diehard Albion fan but I'll lay you a wager that they will go up with 'Ollie' there! That guy has got b**** and really goes for it. All this talk about 'not yet ready' is just fear. You ask those Blackpool fans AND the Board if they would rather have 'waited' until everything was perfect and I'll bet what they would say. Only people who are afraid of failure 'put off' going for success. Remember, 'If you can meet with triumph AND 'disaster' and treat those two IMPOSTORS just the same'. Life does simply not work the way some think. You simply HAVE to go for it and let the rest take care of itself. I am grateful for where we are today and please no one underestimate the positive effect The Amex has had on perception. As for Gus hanging around - nobody seems to want him when all these jobs come up cos he's still here. He's a smart cookie and knows where his bread is buttered. Can you name me a manager who has left us over the past 50 years and gone on and bettered themselves? Maybe Steve Coppell to Reading (a wonderful manager IMO), Peter Taylor to England, Freddie Goodwin to Birmingham and the immortal Brian Clough to European Cups and League Championships with Forest. I'm up to hear of any others. It's a strange thing about our place - when managers leave they either go down the scale or quietly drift away from the game. My concern is that the moment the man in charge comes out and says 'we're not yet ready' or 'this team's not good enough' that is the kiss of death. It happened last season when we were still occupying the play off spot. Then look what happened. Many people don't understand the power of words and BELIEF! I really hope I'm proved wrong.[/p][/quote]I AGREE 100 percent...... Great point of view that Gus, I am sure that it will attract any ambitious player... ....... and the Promotion Pot!.... and Parachute ..... would set Brighton up with MILLIONS for years to come. But hey! Maybe it is not just the Team that is not ready for the Big Time eh Gus!!Plus at the moment, with Christmas around the corner, it is looking like the rest of the league have sussed us out and we might not be ready for the Championship.... Cash Bull
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