Poyet frustrated by lack of goals (From The Argus)

Hove Actually wrote:
Poyet this is YOUR team, brought and paid for. Stop making excuses and damm well buy a Goal Scorer before we miss out on the play offs

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Hove Actually wrote:
Poyet this is YOUR team, brought and paid for. Stop making excuses and damm well buy a Goal Scorer before we miss out on the play offs

Having now re-read what Poyet said, what excuses is he making? He COULD have said that Halford should have been sent off. He COULD have bemoaned a fine goalkeeping display by Lee Camp. He COULD have claimed this that and the other. He didn't. He's saying we should have won - would any of us disagree with that?

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

Hove Actually wrote:
Poyet this is YOUR team, brought and paid for. Stop making excuses and damm well buy a Goal Scorer before we miss out on the play offs

Having now re-read what Poyet said, what excuses is he making? He COULD have said that Halford should have been sent off. He COULD have bemoaned a fine goalkeeping display by Lee Camp. He COULD have claimed this that and the other. He didn't. He's saying we should have won - would any of us disagree with that?

Far gull wrote:
Don't Alfie . Remember he did b.... all last season. Moving on we went with a spurs season ticket holder in my camp today who was impressed ,on the positive side with the chances we created but was a pains to point out that there are no cheap fixes as many millions his side have spent and yet can't step up to the plate and score regular enough. I feel we above all need some real luck and a plan b (as usual that power/heading option ) because free kicks /corners won are simply waste. . On positive note thought Lopez getting better just struggle with realistic options as who to bring in,am wondering on why dobbie bought in with the style we play on 3 yr deal when not close to what we need . Drogba type the answer, the real thing impossible to get obviously.

sussexram40 wrote:
No cutting edge, not clinical in the final third. Unfortunately essential characteristics for a side that wants to finish top 6. Match after match it's the same old story. Too many draws. Too many points dropped at home. The Amex is far from a fortress. Chances are it will be another draw and another 2 points dropped in the Millwall game. Fine enough if mid to upper mid table is the target but GP should be taking the club forwards not stagnating it. Urgent action is required in January before this season is past salavtion.I'm sure GP knows that only too well. Whether can tempt the right men to the club in January is another story. We await with interest and most of us go into the Millwall fixture with our anxiety levels reaching a record high. The problem is that winning is a habit and when you aren't winning matches it has an effect on morale and the psyche of the players as well as the supporters. Mediocrity breeds mediocrity. Success breeds success.

sussexram40 wrote:
No cutting edge, not clinical in the final third. Unfortunately essential characteristics for a side that wants to finish top 6. Match after match it's the same old story. Too many draws. Too many points dropped at home. The Amex is far from a fortress. Chances are it will be another draw and another 2 points dropped in the Millwall game. Fine enough if mid to upper mid table is the target but GP should be taking the club forwards not stagnating it. Urgent action is required in January before this season is past salavtion.I'm sure GP knows that only too well. Whether can tempt the right men to the club in January is another story. We await with interest and most of us go into the Millwall fixture with our anxiety levels reaching a record high. The problem is that winning is a habit and when you aren't winning matches it has an effect on morale and the psyche of the players as well as the supporters. Mediocrity breeds mediocrity. Success breeds success.

pablobrowno wrote:

sussexram40 wrote:
No cutting edge, not clinical in the final third. Unfortunately essential characteristics for a side that wants to finish top 6. Match after match it's the same old story. Too many draws. Too many points dropped at home. The Amex is far from a fortress. Chances are it will be another draw and another 2 points dropped in the Millwall game. Fine enough if mid to upper mid table is the target but GP should be taking the club forwards not stagnating it. Urgent action is required in January before this season is past salavtion.I'm sure GP knows that only too well. Whether can tempt the right men to the club in January is another story. We await with interest and most of us go into the Millwall fixture with our anxiety levels reaching a record high. The problem is that winning is a habit and when you aren't winning matches it has an effect on morale and the psyche of the players as well as the supporters. Mediocrity breeds mediocrity. Success breeds success.

Oh my goodness are you seriously suggesting Poyet is stagnating this club??!!! Haha yes because we haven't come far at all since he took over!!! The man is helping to rebuild the club from top to bottom. To suggest that we are in some kind of crisis because we are 8th in the championship with the highest attendences in the league is a ridiculous thing to do. Where have you been the last 15 years??! Good things take time, great things take longer. It's frustrating we are not turning our dominance into goals but let's sit back and be so grateful for what we have!!

As for the football, we need more strength, power, and dare a say a bit more selfishness and even a touch of nastiness up front!

Roll on Tuesday and a win!!

SecondReserve wrote:
Most football fans are extremely blinkered but does anybody seriously think we are going to get near the playoffs this season. Just like last season, the good teams are pulling away because they win matches. We’ve only won 8 matches out of 22 (and only 3 of the last 15) and the top 4 teams are all at least 8 points ahead of us.

It’s time people stopped making excuses, the harsh fact is that - sadly - our strikers are just not good enough. CMS must be one of the most overpriced players in the history of football. Runs about a lot but has awful first touch, can’t pass accurately, can’t finish, misses countless sitters, fluffs loads of decent chances. Talk about a gullible manager being mugged. Some people thought Hoskins was the answer. Yes, he’s been injured a lot but he’s still only scored 1 goal for us and he doesn’t look as though he’ll ever score another one.

Today Hoskins and Buckley added two more to our list of sitters missed. Gus really needs to get rid of our current strike force and get in a couple of players who are capable of putting a small ball into a huge net. Of course they will cost big money but if we are genuinely serious about moving forward we have to get better strikers in. Are we really ambitious to move forward at the moment though?Our current strikers really are nowhere near good enough, whether people like to admit it or not. They’ve had enough chances and it’s clear they aren’t up to it.

fratsomrover wrote:
A fair enough assessment. Frustrating and disappointing result but I'd have to say, it was a cracking, entertaining game. We were awesome in the first half and our positive line-up of Buckley, Hoskins and CMS was a step in the right direction. We could and probably should, have scored 5 before half-time. Many chances fell to Hoskins, but unfortunately his finishing was poor, but he has enormous pressure on his shoulders having just got into the starting line-up. His link up play and ball control was first class and his ability to get into scoring positions was a huge plus, but sadly today, his efforts were off target. I see his inclusion as a big positive however and I'm sure once he gets his first goal, many more will follow. We should not let our disappointment of the result detract from a thoroughly entertaining game and Forest were no slouches. Blackstock and Sharpe were a constant threat and it says a lot of our performance that we dominated them so much in the first half. Sadly, I think CMS is a little lightweight at this level. Lots of endeavour and chasing of lost causes but not quite cutting the mustard against a tall strong defence. But I feel more positive about the future after todays display. One other mention. What a good game Inigo Calderon had today. Full marks to him for such an excellent performance and some great last ditch tackles. I'm sure he'll lose his place when Bruno is fit, but what a good pro and a great team man he is.

fratsomrover wrote:
A fair enough assessment. Frustrating and disappointing result but I'd have to say, it was a cracking, entertaining game. We were awesome in the first half and our positive line-up of Buckley, Hoskins and CMS was a step in the right direction. We could and probably should, have scored 5 before half-time. Many chances fell to Hoskins, but unfortunately his finishing was poor, but he has enormous pressure on his shoulders having just got into the starting line-up. His link up play and ball control was first class and his ability to get into scoring positions was a huge plus, but sadly today, his efforts were off target. I see his inclusion as a big positive however and I'm sure once he gets his first goal, many more will follow. We should not let our disappointment of the result detract from a thoroughly entertaining game and Forest were no slouches. Blackstock and Sharpe were a constant threat and it says a lot of our performance that we dominated them so much in the first half. Sadly, I think CMS is a little lightweight at this level. Lots of endeavour and chasing of lost causes but not quite cutting the mustard against a tall strong defence. But I feel more positive about the future after todays display. One other mention. What a good game Inigo Calderon had today. Full marks to him for such an excellent performance and some great last ditch tackles. I'm sure he'll lose his place when Bruno is fit, but what a good pro and a great team man he is.

tug509 wrote:

SecondReserve wrote:
Most football fans are extremely blinkered but does anybody seriously think we are going to get near the playoffs this season. Just like last season, the good teams are pulling away because they win matches. We’ve only won 8 matches out of 22 (and only 3 of the last 15) and the top 4 teams are all at least 8 points ahead of us.

It’s time people stopped making excuses, the harsh fact is that - sadly - our strikers are just not good enough. CMS must be one of the most overpriced players in the history of football. Runs about a lot but has awful first touch, can’t pass accurately, can’t finish, misses countless sitters, fluffs loads of decent chances. Talk about a gullible manager being mugged. Some people thought Hoskins was the answer. Yes, he’s been injured a lot but he’s still only scored 1 goal for us and he doesn’t look as though he’ll ever score another one.

Today Hoskins and Buckley added two more to our list of sitters missed. Gus really needs to get rid of our current strike force and get in a couple of players who are capable of putting a small ball into a huge net. Of course they will cost big money but if we are genuinely serious about moving forward we have to get better strikers in. Are we really ambitious to move forward at the moment though?Our current strikers really are nowhere near good enough, whether people like to admit it or not. They’ve had enough chances and it’s clear they aren’t up to it.

Reading this post makes me angry,you say us,but to me you sound more like a them. EVERY team hits low spots in the course of a season,we WILL come good. UTA

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
I think we can add Second Reserve to the list of pseudonyms of a single contributor. Same viewpoint, same grammar, same sentence structure as almost every other wum.

VegasSeagull wrote:
I doubt whether we will ever get an honest forum, honest in the way of people being who they are.

I guess it should be possible a fan to launch their own web site dedicated to Brighton.
Once this is done people could be invited to join on a password basis that would be e-mailed directly to those who applied.

The topics would be the same.

Hey Hovite this sounds like something you could administer along with Troll Busters.

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Troll Busters wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
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sussexram40 wrote:
I agree the attendances are fantastic but these 26,000 people want to see success on the pitch. If, dare I say it, in a couple of years time the Albion are still hovering around the middle of the Championship then the numbers could be more like 16,000 than 26,000. That will impact on the club's buying power which is why it's crucial that GP brings in the necessary reinforcements in January and goes full bore for the play offs this season. Grab the iron while it's still hot I say.

Eddy B wrote:
Pretty fair comms all round. BHAFC were superb in the first half hour, neat passing with pace (even including accurate long balls) and plenty of chances....however the finishing was woeful mainly because Hoskins, CMS and Bridge failed to hit the target. In particular Hoskin's spectacular flying volley with noone around him when it looked easier to let the ball drop or head it from barely 6 yards, and heading over from about 8 yards from a cross delivered straight on to his forehead, and CMS's scuffed shot after he had done the hard work cutting in from the left wing. When finally required to, Camp made great saves from Calderon and normally our most reliable finisher Buckley. Unfortunately this is becoming a pattern of games (home and away) - it seems we don't quite have the calm finishing you see in the premiership and many chances are snatched at or blasted or blocked. Like alot of people have been saying we are so nearly a very formidable team but lacking that final cutting edge.

Calderon was excellent and my MOM and also came closest to scoring. Would be unlucky to be dropped. Crofts also did better than Hammond usually does in the "invisible midfielder" role.

David wasted some early free kicks and corners but grew in confidence as the game went on - worth perservering with.

At least we drew, Forest had at least 3 extremely good chances and came into the game in the 2nd half but luckily their finishing was also poor.

Anyway an excellent game and atmosphere and the stadium looked superb under the lights in the torrential rain. The BBC stats showing no shots on target for either team (apart from being obviously wrong!) do not tell a true story of an entertaining match.

pablobrowno wrote:

sussexram40 wrote:
No cutting edge, not clinical in the final third. Unfortunately essential characteristics for a side that wants to finish top 6. Match after match it's the same old story. Too many draws. Too many points dropped at home. The Amex is far from a fortress. Chances are it will be another draw and another 2 points dropped in the Millwall game. Fine enough if mid to upper mid table is the target but GP should be taking the club forwards not stagnating it. Urgent action is required in January before this season is past salavtion.I'm sure GP knows that only too well. Whether can tempt the right men to the club in January is another story. We await with interest and most of us go into the Millwall fixture with our anxiety levels reaching a record high. The problem is that winning is a habit and when you aren't winning matches it has an effect on morale and the psyche of the players as well as the supporters. Mediocrity breeds mediocrity. Success breeds success.

Oh my goodness are you seriously suggesting Poyet is stagnating this club??!!! Haha yes because we haven't come far at all since he took over!!! The man is helping to rebuild the club from top to bottom. To suggest that we are in some kind of crisis because we are 8th in the championship with the highest attendences in the league is a ridiculous thing to do. Where have you been the last 15 years??! Good things take time, great things take longer. It's frustrating we are not turning our dominance into goals but let's sit back and be so grateful for what we have!!

As for the football, we need more strength, power, and dare a say a bit more selfishness and even a touch of nastiness up front!

Roll on Tuesday and a win!!

WisdomSpeaks wrote:

Troll Busters wrote:

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Defense is frightening. It stems from fear, increasing fear as each defense is made. You think it offers safety. Yet it speaks of fear made real and terror justified. Is it not strange you do not pause to ask, as you elaborate your plans and make your armor thicker and your locks more tight, what you defend, and how, and against what?

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:
I doubt whether we will ever get an honest forum, honest in the way of people being who they are.

I guess it should be possible a fan to launch their own web site dedicated to Brighton.
Once this is done people could be invited to join on a password basis that would be e-mailed directly to those who applied.

The topics would be the same.

Hey Hovite this sounds like something you could administer along with Troll Busters.

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The only way is for The Argus to use something like Facebook or Google+ which forces people to use their real names. (Full disclosure: my real name is not Old Scrote of the Amex)

JUPILER wrote:
Forest keeper kept them in it should also have had Halford sent off,I think certain players are also frustrated by the lack of scoring,just hope that the wallet is open and get that one player that can get the ball in the back of the net.

Godstone Gull wrote:

WisdomSpeaks wrote:

Troll Busters wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote: I think we can add Second Reserve to the list of pseudonyms of a single contributor. Same viewpoint, same grammar, same sentence structure as almost every other wum.

At your service; SecondReserve, sussexram40, JUPILER, Seagullsays, john newman, Lowerbeedingseagull, wole, Jamesy_Dodger, pappaK, namgo49, Aldrington actually, tinker111, LACHANCE, Seagull over Brasil, Hove Actually, Poplar Seagull, the taffster, WisdomSpeaks, Don Pedro, Freeloaders, gusset snatcher, carrot muncher, Twistlock, SicklySeagull, HoveParkResident, Buttergull, suede27. We have 28 convictions and another 20 are currently under investigation.

Defense is frightening. It stems from fear, increasing fear as each defense is made. You think it offers safety. Yet it speaks of fear made real and terror justified. Is it not strange you do not pause to ask, as you elaborate your plans and make your armor thicker and your locks more tight, what you defend, and how, and against what?

Only 19,000 at Leeds. We must be the biggest club outside the premier league currently.
History counts for nothing. Its home crowds now that count.

WisdomSpeaks wrote:

Troll Busters wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
I think we can add Second Reserve to the list of pseudonyms of a single contributor. Same viewpoint, same grammar, same sentence structure as almost every other wum.

At your service;

SecondReserve, sussexram40, JUPILER, Seagullsays, john newman, Lowerbeedingseagull, wole, Jamesy_Dodger, pappaK, namgo49, Aldrington actually, tinker111, LACHANCE, Seagull over Brasil, Hove Actually, Poplar Seagull, the taffster, WisdomSpeaks, Don Pedro, Freeloaders, gusset snatcher, carrot muncher, Twistlock, SicklySeagull, HoveParkResident, Buttergull, suede27.

We have 28 convictions and another 20 are currently under investigation.

Defense is frightening. It stems from fear, increasing fear as each defense is made. You think it offers safety. Yet it speaks of fear made real and terror justified. Is it not strange you do not pause to ask, as you elaborate your plans and make your armor thicker and your locks more tight, what you defend, and how, and against what?

carrot muncher wrote:
why doesnt everyone stop whining about glenn murray.. palace will not get promoted...,FACT

SecondReserve wrote:
As I suspected in my original comments, many of our fans are just too blinkered. Do you honestly think that yesterdays performance by the strikers (and quite a few of their other performances recently) was good enough for an ambitious Championship team? We played very well, in the first half at least, we had the vast majority of the play and we had loads of chances, several of them pretty easy. Obviously no team scores from anywhere near all its chances but you need to convert a decent percentage of them and we should have been comfortably ahead by half-time. If you get thrashed or just have a bad day (as we did at Palace for instance) then fair enough. But if we are serious about getting into the play-offs we just have to win matches when we have so much of the play and so many chances. Why don't we - because our strikers are not good enough, as they demonstrated all too clearly yesterday. Our defence is fine and, unlike last saeson, we are now creating enough chances but our current attack is toothless.

Hovite wrote:

WisdomSpeaks wrote:

Troll Busters wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
I think we can add Second Reserve to the list of pseudonyms of a single contributor. Same viewpoint, same grammar, same sentence structure as almost every other wum.

At your service;

SecondReserve, sussexram40, JUPILER, Seagullsays, john newman, Lowerbeedingseagull, wole, Jamesy_Dodger, pappaK, namgo49, Aldrington actually, tinker111, LACHANCE, Seagull over Brasil, Hove Actually, Poplar Seagull, the taffster, WisdomSpeaks, Don Pedro, Freeloaders, gusset snatcher, carrot muncher, Twistlock, SicklySeagull, HoveParkResident, Buttergull, suede27.

We have 28 convictions and another 20 are currently under investigation.

Defense is frightening. It stems from fear, increasing fear as each defense is made. You think it offers safety. Yet it speaks of fear made real and terror justified. Is it not strange you do not pause to ask, as you elaborate your plans and make your armor thicker and your locks more tight, what you defend, and how, and against what?

Oh, do you think you are clever WS, a chimp could copy and paste this off the internet.

At least come up with something origninal from within your hollow self. Give yourself a pat on the back and run along now.

brightonup wrote:

SecondReserve wrote: As I suspected in my original comments, many of our fans are just too blinkered. Do you honestly think that yesterdays performance by the strikers (and quite a few of their other performances recently) was good enough for an ambitious Championship team? We played very well, in the first half at least, we had the vast majority of the play and we had loads of chances, several of them pretty easy. Obviously no team scores from anywhere near all its chances but you need to convert a decent percentage of them and we should have been comfortably ahead by half-time. If you get thrashed or just have a bad day (as we did at Palace for instance) then fair enough. But if we are serious about getting into the play-offs we just have to win matches when we have so much of the play and so many chances. Why don't we - because our strikers are not good enough, as they demonstrated all too clearly yesterday. Our defence is fine and, unlike last saeson, we are now creating enough chances but our current attack is toothless.

Hmmmmh!

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:
I doubt whether we will ever get an honest forum, honest in the way of people being who they are.

I guess it should be possible a fan to launch their own web site dedicated to Brighton.
Once this is done people could be invited to join on a password basis that would be e-mailed directly to those who applied.

The topics would be the same.

Hey Hovite this sounds like something you could administer along with Troll Busters.

.

The only way is for The Argus to use something like Facebook or Google+ which forces people to use their real names. (Full disclosure: my real name is not Old Scrote of the Amex)

WisdomSpeaks wrote:

Hovite wrote:

WisdomSpeaks wrote:

Troll Busters wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
I think we can add Second Reserve to the list of pseudonyms of a single contributor. Same viewpoint, same grammar, same sentence structure as almost every other wum.

At your service;

SecondReserve, sussexram40, JUPILER, Seagullsays, john newman, Lowerbeedingseagull, wole, Jamesy_Dodger, pappaK, namgo49, Aldrington actually, tinker111, LACHANCE, Seagull over Brasil, Hove Actually, Poplar Seagull, the taffster, WisdomSpeaks, Don Pedro, Freeloaders, gusset snatcher, carrot muncher, Twistlock, SicklySeagull, HoveParkResident, Buttergull, suede27.

We have 28 convictions and another 20 are currently under investigation.

Defense is frightening. It stems from fear, increasing fear as each defense is made. You think it offers safety. Yet it speaks of fear made real and terror justified. Is it not strange you do not pause to ask, as you elaborate your plans and make your armor thicker and your locks more tight, what you defend, and how, and against what?

Oh, do you think you are clever WS, a chimp could copy and paste this off the internet.

At least come up with something origninal from within your hollow self. Give yourself a pat on the back and run along now.

I don't think you're hollow Hovite. I know you care and like everyone else on this site, and in this world, you're free to express your views/opinions with out risk of being bullied/abused/ridic

uled simply because your views are different to those of others. Any attempt to prevent that is called sociopathic and I'm sure you're not that. So I'm going nowhere and will continue to express my thoughts and feelings in a respectful manner and respect the views of all others. I also encourage all others to continue to do the same and ignore the attempts of those in fear to alienate others by keeping silly little lists of the names of those who aren't 'gooey eyed' about our present 'leader'. Adolf Hitler died long ago. I understand that all attacks are really disguised calls for love so please know you are love and loveable and I love you.

VegasSeagull wrote:
So Millwall on tuesday, in the light of recent results maybe this game poses some questions.

Hoskins, does he start, should he start. I guess the options are Barnes or Dobbie for Hoskins, I think Gus will stick with Hoskins for this game but if no goals, then maybe he changes it for the next game.

David, started slow but warmed to his role, does he start should he start. I think this one is more tricky, Lua Lua might be the prefered option but again, I think Gus will give David another go.

Crofts or Hammond, Crofts no brainer for me based on yesterday only, all the reports say that Crofts had a good game.

CMS, Dobbie or Barnes, maybe a change, Gus just might throw Barnes into the action ahead of CMS and if not Barnes then Dobbie. Goals are not coming so maybe a chance for Barnes or Dobbie to try their luck working with Hoskins and Buckley.

Buckley a nailed on starter.

No changes at the back, not even if Bruno is fit.

Am I nuts or does any of the above make sense?

Godstone Gull wrote:

WisdomSpeaks wrote:

Troll Busters wrote:

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote: I think we can add Second Reserve to the list of pseudonyms of a single contributor. Same viewpoint, same grammar, same sentence structure as almost every other wum.

At your service; SecondReserve, sussexram40, JUPILER, Seagullsays, john newman, Lowerbeedingseagull, wole, Jamesy_Dodger, pappaK, namgo49, Aldrington actually, tinker111, LACHANCE, Seagull over Brasil, Hove Actually, Poplar Seagull, the taffster, WisdomSpeaks, Don Pedro, Freeloaders, gusset snatcher, carrot muncher, Twistlock, SicklySeagull, HoveParkResident, Buttergull, suede27. We have 28 convictions and another 20 are currently under investigation.

Defense is frightening. It stems from fear, increasing fear as each defense is made. You think it offers safety. Yet it speaks of fear made real and terror justified. Is it not strange you do not pause to ask, as you elaborate your plans and make your armor thicker and your locks more tight, what you defend, and how, and against what?

Only 19,000 at Leeds. We must be the biggest club outside the premier league currently.
History counts for nothing. Its home crowds now that count.

VegasSeagull wrote:
People bang on about the some of those bought by Poyet, they seem to think that he made bad choices, I don't think enough time has passed to judge. Even if one or two don't rise to the level Poyet had thought they might, it won't be the first time a manager has made an error.

Some top players get bought and it just doesn't work for them at their new club, Torres might be a good example of that, Andy Carrol another. It matters not what the price tag is, big money doesn't always mean big success.

When Murray went to Palace his first season was crap but a year later and all is different, who is to say that those bought by Poyet will not deliver tomorrow.

There was a time when things in our lives moved slower, a letter took two days to be delivered now, e-mail and bang it's done, no more waiting for a roll of film to be developed, digital cameras give an instant result, football isn't like that.

Poyet has got us where we are and Poyet will get us where we want to be but it won't be in an instant.

wiseman of hove wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote: So Millwall on tuesday, in the light of recent results maybe this game poses some questions. Hoskins, does he start, should he start. I guess the options are Barnes or Dobbie for Hoskins, I think Gus will stick with Hoskins for this game but if no goals, then maybe he changes it for the next game. David, started slow but warmed to his role, does he start should he start. I think this one is more tricky, Lua Lua might be the prefered option but again, I think Gus will give David another go. Crofts or Hammond, Crofts no brainer for me based on yesterday only, all the reports say that Crofts had a good game. CMS, Dobbie or Barnes, maybe a change, Gus just might throw Barnes into the action ahead of CMS and if not Barnes then Dobbie. Goals are not coming so maybe a chance for Barnes or Dobbie to try their luck working with Hoskins and Buckley. Buckley a nailed on starter. No changes at the back, not even if Bruno is fit. Am I nuts or does any of the above make sense?

Hello Vegas. Here are my reflected thoughts on Tuesday's lineup after watching a thoroughly entertaining match on Saturday. Same staring line up even if Bruno is fit. Hoskins is not in his ideal position but I would be very disappointed were he to make way for Barnes. If it transpires that changes are needed come second half, then I would be expecting Dobbie and possibly Lua Lua to be involved. For me, Barnes is generally slipping out of contention.

andyp123 wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote: People bang on about the some of those bought by Poyet, they seem to think that he made bad choices, I don't think enough time has passed to judge. Even if one or two don't rise to the level Poyet had thought they might, it won't be the first time a manager has made an error. Some top players get bought and it just doesn't work for them at their new club, Torres might be a good example of that, Andy Carrol another. It matters not what the price tag is, big money doesn't always mean big success. When Murray went to Palace his first season was crap but a year later and all is different, who is to say that those bought by Poyet will not deliver tomorrow. There was a time when things in our lives moved slower, a letter took two days to be delivered now, e-mail and bang it's done, no more waiting for a roll of film to be developed, digital cameras give an instant result, football isn't like that. Poyet has got us where we are and Poyet will get us where we want to be but it won't be in an instant.

I think you will find Tony Bloom has largely got us where we are now, not Gus Poyet.

Le Premier Cru wrote:
Wasn't there but BBC text service says we enjoyed 71% of possession. Unforgivable not to convert that to a win at home.

JUPILER wrote:

Le Premier Cru wrote: Wasn't there but BBC text service says we enjoyed 71% of possession. Unforgivable not to convert that to a win at home.

If we come up two points short for the playoffs this could have been the game.

sussexram40 wrote:
No point picking out a single game, the fact is we have drawn far too many games this season. Until we are capable of converting 1 pont into 3 then I'm afraid we are destined to a life as the nearly boys of football. The definition of GUSset is "A triangular insert, as in the seam of a garment, for added strength or expansion". Unfortunately I am no longer convinced that GP is giving us added strength. I am concerned he has reached his pinnacle of achievement and in order to walk the extra yard we may need a new man at the helm for next season.

VegasSeagull wrote:

andyp123 wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote: People bang on about the some of those bought by Poyet, they seem to think that he made bad choices, I don't think enough time has passed to judge. Even if one or two don't rise to the level Poyet had thought they might, it won't be the first time a manager has made an error. Some top players get bought and it just doesn't work for them at their new club, Torres might be a good example of that, Andy Carrol another. It matters not what the price tag is, big money doesn't always mean big success. When Murray went to Palace his first season was crap but a year later and all is different, who is to say that those bought by Poyet will not deliver tomorrow. There was a time when things in our lives moved slower, a letter took two days to be delivered now, e-mail and bang it's done, no more waiting for a roll of film to be developed, digital cameras give an instant result, football isn't like that. Poyet has got us where we are and Poyet will get us where we want to be but it won't be in an instant.

I think you will find Tony Bloom has largely got us where we are now, not Gus Poyet.

Really Andy, I mean, really!!!

Was it Tony that took over the team and saved us from relegation. Was it Tony that bought in players and worked with them to get us promoted.
Does Tony take charge of the training sessions each day. Does Tony fill in the team sheet prior to each match.

Tony Bloom and the board take care of finances, Gus takes care of what happens on the field.

Tony has done a lot for the club, he can take credit for much of what is good and he can also take credit for bringing Gus in, the man that got us where we are.,

pjwilk wrote:
Apart from our shocking finishing,i thought we totally lost the midfield in the second half they all went missing,we could not get a foothold there was nothing coming through via the midfield,we still need a general and a striker.

sussexram40 wrote:
If it's a sin to want success then I'm guilty as charged. Supporters are fickle. I'm consistent. I wonder how many of the Gus is God brigade will be calling for his head in a year's time if things haven't improved. But they'll never admit those of us who have been sceptical all along were right. The know alls always think they're right.

sussexram40 wrote:
No point picking out a single game, the fact is we have drawn far too many games this season. Until we are capable of converting 1 pont into 3 then I'm afraid we are destined to a life as the nearly boys of football. The definition of GUSset is "A triangular insert, as in the seam of a garment, for added strength or expansion". Unfortunately I am no longer convinced that GP is giving us added strength. I am concerned he has reached his pinnacle of achievement and in order to walk the extra yard we may need a new man at the helm for next season.

Eddy B wrote:
I would keep the same starting XI for Tuesday ie. give both Hoskins and David some further match practice to see what they can do with more time (preferably 90 mins, it must be soul destroying knowing you are nearly always going to be taken off after 60 mins!). (same goes for Dobbie at the earliest opportunity). With strikers it's all about confidence and one goal could change everything. Give Bruno another rest as Calde had a great game, or if fit bring him on as a midfielder late on! I know he's late in his career but I wonder if he is slightly wasted at right back and to be honest his attacking play seems to be better than his defence. Just throwing that out there as a slightly left field suggestion so to speak!

wiseman of hove wrote:

Eddy B wrote:
I would keep the same starting XI for Tuesday ie. give both Hoskins and David some further match practice to see what they can do with more time (preferably 90 mins, it must be soul destroying knowing you are nearly always going to be taken off after 60 mins!). (same goes for Dobbie at the earliest opportunity). With strikers it's all about confidence and one goal could change everything. Give Bruno another rest as Calde had a great game, or if fit bring him on as a midfielder late on! I know he's late in his career but I wonder if he is slightly wasted at right back and to be honest his attacking play seems to be better than his defence. Just throwing that out there as a slightly left field suggestion so to speak!

Interesting suggestion regarding Calderon and I feel it has some merit. I share also your 'soul destroying' comment. I could possibly see the point of David Lopez not playing 90 mins because of lack of match minutes and he was probably tiring after an impressive return - but I felt the opportunity was clearly there yesterday for Hoskins to play the 90 mins (and taking CMS off). For me, bringing on Barnes and Hammond did not give me much of a lift or expectancy that they would turn the game

namgo49 wrote:
Some positives out of yesterdays game. Biggest gate by a mile in the Championship Performance by Crofts, by far his best in his 2nd spell. The fact that Hoskins had the chances by being in the right place at the right time. I would suggest the reason he did not convert was lack of match practice. His hold up play was good as was his commitment. He needs more game time, he will come good. Clean sheet but only just. We had more of the play but they should have scored too. We only deserved the draw so I don't have a problem with the result. No bookings/sendings off. I thought the ref was a homer inspite of the opportunity he did not take to send off Halford. It rained a lot of the game but I didn't get wet in my seat Row B in the West Stand. The All In One take away in Coldean prepared me and my daughter outstanding Cod and Chips with drinks all for £9.

VegasSeagull wrote:
When Brighton dip into the market in January, and it seems very likely we will, top of the shopping list will be at least one striker, it could be two. We might also see a new center back arrive, I think it's fair to say that we need one. Vicente, if the fitness reports are accurate, could also be making a come back. Our starting line up for matches at the end of january could be very different from what it is today.

I think the question will be, are we going to add to our strikers or replace one or two of them. Does Barnes go so that we can keep Hoskins, will we even keep Hoskins. I can't see CMS leaving, not unless a stupid offer comes in and Dobbie is going nowhere.

Strikers come at a premium and our wage bill will increase, will Gus have to sell in order to buy.

Our most consistent players, players on contract, will attract attention and possibly hostile bids, Bridcutt and Buckley among them. Three in is not beyond the realms of possibility and at least three out could be on the cards, I just hope that no more than one of our gems are lost to big offers.

fratsomrover wrote:
A fair enough assessment. Frustrating and disappointing result but I'd have to say, it was a cracking, entertaining game. We were awesome in the first half and our positive line-up of Buckley, Hoskins and CMS was a step in the right direction. We could and probably should, have scored 5 before half-time. Many chances fell to Hoskins, but unfortunately his finishing was poor, but he has enormous pressure on his shoulders having just got into the starting line-up. His link up play and ball control was first class and his ability to get into scoring positions was a huge plus, but sadly today, his efforts were off target. I see his inclusion as a big positive however and I'm sure once he gets his first goal, many more will follow. We should not let our disappointment of the result detract from a thoroughly entertaining game and Forest were no slouches. Blackstock and Sharpe were a constant threat and it says a lot of our performance that we dominated them so much in the first half. Sadly, I think CMS is a little lightweight at this level. Lots of endeavour and chasing of lost causes but not quite cutting the mustard against a tall strong defence. But I feel more positive about the future after todays display. One other mention. What a good game Inigo Calderon had today. Full marks to him for such an excellent performance and some great last ditch tackles. I'm sure he'll lose his place when Bruno is fit, but what a good pro and a great team man he is.

Neville wrote:
Regarding an earlier post querying the actual crowd figures, the figures quoted for yesterdays match are based purely on the number of people passing through the turnstiles. Season ticket holders that cannot make the match are not included and thats official.

wiseman of hove wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote: When Brighton dip into the market in January, and it seems very likely we will, top of the shopping list will be at least one striker, it could be two. We might also see a new center back arrive, I think it's fair to say that we need one. Vicente, if the fitness reports are accurate, could also be making a come back. Our starting line up for matches at the end of january could be very different from what it is today. I think the question will be, are we going to add to our strikers or replace one or two of them. Does Barnes go so that we can keep Hoskins, will we even keep Hoskins. I can't see CMS leaving, not unless a stupid offer comes in and Dobbie is going nowhere. Strikers come at a premium and our wage bill will increase, will Gus have to sell in order to buy. Our most consistent players, players on contract, will attract attention and possibly hostile bids, Bridcutt and Buckley among them. Three in is not beyond the realms of possibility and at least three out could be on the cards, I just hope that no more than one of our gems are lost to big offers.

Only a hunch Vegas but I think CMS may well depart in January. As for Will Buckley, I just hope he is one of those players that premiership clubs look at but prevaricate. I posted a long time ago that it was worth having a season ticket just to see his, what I term, old fashioned wing play - and that was before he hit his current form. Just digressing, I have long hoped that the Albion are making a thorough job of trawling the lower leagues for a striker. Listening this afternoon to 'The PressPass ' on Talksport radio, a respected journalist raved about Nehki Wells the Bradford striker. 22 goals in 53 appearances last year . Hope we are urgently checking him out. Would be interested if any posters have any views on him?

wiseman of hove wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:
When Brighton dip into the market in January, and it seems very likely we will, top of the shopping list will be at least one striker, it could be two. We might also see a new center back arrive, I think it's fair to say that we need one. Vicente, if the fitness reports are accurate, could also be making a come back. Our starting line up for matches at the end of january could be very different from what it is today.

I think the question will be, are we going to add to our strikers or replace one or two of them. Does Barnes go so that we can keep Hoskins, will we even keep Hoskins. I can't see CMS leaving, not unless a stupid offer comes in and Dobbie is going nowhere.

Strikers come at a premium and our wage bill will increase, will Gus have to sell in order to buy.

Our most consistent players, players on contract, will attract attention and possibly hostile bids, Bridcutt and Buckley among them. Three in is not beyond the realms of possibility and at least three out could be on the cards, I just hope that no more than one of our gems are lost to big offers.

Only a hunch Vegas but I think CMS may well depart in January. As for Will Buckley, I just hope he is one of those players that premiership clubs look at but prevaricate. I posted a long time ago that it was worth having a season ticket just to see his, what I term, old fashioned wing play - and that was before he hit his current form. Just digressing, I have long hoped that the Albion are making a thorough job of trawling the lower leagues for a striker. Listening this afternoon to 'The PressPass ' on Talksport radio, a respected journalist raved about Nehki Wells the Bradford striker. 22 goals in 53 appearances last year . Hope we are urgently checking him out. Would be interested if any posters have any views on him?

Neville wrote:
Regarding an earlier post querying the actual crowd figures, the figures quoted for yesterdays match are based purely on the number of people passing through the turnstiles. Season ticket holders that cannot make the match are not included and thats official.

Neville wrote:
Regarding an earlier post querying the actual crowd figures, the figures quoted for yesterdays match are based purely on the number of people passing through the turnstiles. Season ticket holders that cannot make the match are not included and thats official.

sussexram40 wrote:
I think CMS will stay but my hunch is that Buckley could be the one who has to be sold to finance the new fire power we need.

ballantrrae wrote:

fratsomrover wrote:
A fair enough assessment. Frustrating and disappointing result but I'd have to say, it was a cracking, entertaining game. We were awesome in the first half and our positive line-up of Buckley, Hoskins and CMS was a step in the right direction. We could and probably should, have scored 5 before half-time. Many chances fell to Hoskins, but unfortunately his finishing was poor, but he has enormous pressure on his shoulders having just got into the starting line-up. His link up play and ball control was first class and his ability to get into scoring positions was a huge plus, but sadly today, his efforts were off target. I see his inclusion as a big positive however and I'm sure once he gets his first goal, many more will follow. We should not let our disappointment of the result detract from a thoroughly entertaining game and Forest were no slouches. Blackstock and Sharpe were a constant threat and it says a lot of our performance that we dominated them so much in the first half. Sadly, I think CMS is a little lightweight at this level. Lots of endeavour and chasing of lost causes but not quite cutting the mustard against a tall strong defence. But I feel more positive about the future after todays display. One other mention. What a good game Inigo Calderon had today. Full marks to him for such an excellent performance and some great last ditch tackles. I'm sure he'll lose his place when Bruno is fit, but what a good pro and a great team man he is.

An excellent posting.

pablobrowno wrote:
So reports today that Norwich are in for bridders and cms in Jan. Sadly can see brid going as out of contract in summer I think, and think cms could go too unless Poyet can offer him a realistic chance of Prem football next year with us. To do that I guess we'd need to make a couple of significant signings to show we mean business this year. cms not getting any younger and Poyet will not stand in his way of top flight football much longer.

Bridders would be the harder to replace and therefore the bigger loss in my mind.

Either way , UTA!!

Freeloaders wrote:

pablobrowno wrote:
So reports today that Norwich are in for bridders and cms in Jan. Sadly can see brid going as out of contract in summer I think, and think cms could go too unless Poyet can offer him a realistic chance of Prem football next year with us. To do that I guess we'd need to make a couple of significant signings to show we mean business this year. cms not getting any younger and Poyet will not stand in his way of top flight football much longer.

Bridders would be the harder to replace and therefore the bigger loss in my mind.

Either way , UTA!!

I just wish to point out i did say this only a few weeks ago.With some luck the club can gets some money back.Because lets face it you couldn't give Barnes,Dobbie,and Hoskins away right now,and they have cost the club millions.If you can't do it in the championship what chance do they have in the prem-league.But then again Swansea saw that.There should be a big push from all the fans to get all the freeloaders off the clubs books.Starting with Oatway Jr and Anton Rodgers.Also Lewis Dunk will never be a prem-league player.At his age he should be playing at the top of his game by now.So lets get him back to the lower leagues with the rest of the old boys net work with rich familys.I think at £40 a ticket now,& £40 a club replica top,which palace can do for just £34.The fans can say what they like.We should not be paying top money to watch players like Barnes,Dunk,Harley,H

ammond,or Dobbie.Or should Oatway still be working around young players.Get him a job in stand up or something,or just get him out at the christmas party.

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VegasSeagull wrote:
People bang on about the some of those bought by Poyet, they seem to think that he made bad choices, I don't think enough time has passed to judge. Even if one or two don't rise to the level Poyet had thought they might, it won't be the first time a manager has made an error.

Some top players get bought and it just doesn't work for them at their new club, Torres might be a good example of that, Andy Carrol another. It matters not what the price tag is, big money doesn't always mean big success.

When Murray went to Palace his first season was crap but a year later and all is different, who is to say that those bought by Poyet will not deliver tomorrow.

There was a time when things in our lives moved slower, a letter took two days to be delivered now, e-mail and bang it's done, no more waiting for a roll of film to be developed, digital cameras give an instant result, football isn't like that.

Poyet has got us where we are and Poyet will get us where we want to be but it won't be in an instant.

the taffster wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:
People bang on about the some of those bought by Poyet, they seem to think that he made bad choices, I don't think enough time has passed to judge. Even if one or two don't rise to the level Poyet had thought they might, it won't be the first time a manager has made an error.

Some top players get bought and it just doesn't work for them at their new club, Torres might be a good example of that, Andy Carrol another. It matters not what the price tag is, big money doesn't always mean big success.

When Murray went to Palace his first season was crap but a year later and all is different, who is to say that those bought by Poyet will not deliver tomorrow.

There was a time when things in our lives moved slower, a letter took two days to be delivered now, e-mail and bang it's done, no more waiting for a roll of film to be developed, digital cameras give an instant result, football isn't like that.

Poyet has got us where we are and Poyet will get us where we want to be but it won't be in an instant.

get a life,you sad git.

dave from bexill wrote:
I guess everything that can be said about the game more or less has been. Brilliant first half display, other than so many missed chances, although with that front three, it's surely now only a matter of time before we absolutely thrash someone. Hope Gus plays CMS, Hoskins and Will again on Tuesday in same format. Must be worth another so at least. Also, lots of praise on here for Calde. Fine, but I thought Greer was immense and right back to his best.
I've decided now to give this blog a miss for a while, too much sniping for me. I agree some of the trolling is stupid, but one can bypass it. However, just as bad is 'idiot troll buster' a very sad person in my view, I wonder, when you set yourself up as the 'thought police', do you sit on your computer wearing a uniform? For goodness sake get a life. Bye, bye all and UTA