Poyet ready to fight off interest in his Albion stars

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Only "crazy money" will lure away Gus Poyet's key men

First published in Albion by , Chief sports reporter

ALBION boss Gus Poyet has issued a hands-off warning to clubs hoping to lure away some of his key players during the January transfer window.

Poyet insists they are not for sale unless somebody is willing to pay “crazy money”.

Ten-goal top scorer Craig Mackail-Smith has been linked again this week with Norwich, who tried to sign him in August.

The Canaries are also reportedly keen on Liam Bridcutt but Poyet has played down the speculation and does not want to lose the likes of Mackail-Smith, Bridcutt, Will Buckley and Bruno.

He said: “Right now I don’t see it happening. Norwich are doing very well, so why?

“There are players that are not for sale. When people say that and then the players go they think ‘What has changed?’. Normally it’s the price.

“If we want to improve you want to keep your best players, if not you keep starting from zero, so we need to be a bit stronger in those terms.

“Then, like I have said all the time, everybody has a price and people sometimes pay crazy money for players.

“When Ronaldo left Man United I thought it was a terrible decision but the following year they won the league, so it wasn’t that bad.

“It’s a decision that you have to make, the club on the financial side and the manager on the football side.”

Poyet has no immediate plans to correct the current defensive crisis in January. Bruno and Inigo Calderon have been ruled out again for tomorrow’s trip to Blackburn but their injuries are not expected to keep them sidelined into the New Year.

Poyet said: “If people don’t get better then we’ll need to think about it. We are always looking at everything, because we are always ready for some unwelcome news from other teams or unwelcome offers.

“We cannot relax and think about only one position. We’ve got a massive recruitment system now, so we are ready for everything. It is updated weekly, so we are ready for any specific situation.”

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10:03am Fri 21 Dec 12

Never_Wrong says...

I'm glad Gus Poyet has had a rethink regarding transfer policy. The 'I won't stand in their way' attitude sent out all the wrong messages. The players hold all the cards these days anyway, so why make it even easier for them to leave. I'm glad we are starting to get away from the small club syndrome.
I'm glad Gus Poyet has had a rethink regarding transfer policy. The 'I won't stand in their way' attitude sent out all the wrong messages. The players hold all the cards these days anyway, so why make it even easier for them to leave. I'm glad we are starting to get away from the small club syndrome. Never_Wrong
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10:05am Fri 21 Dec 12

wiseman of hove says...

I wonder what the budget is for new signings if we do not have to sell our star players?
I wonder what the budget is for new signings if we do not have to sell our star players? wiseman of hove
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10:25am Fri 21 Dec 12

Jonathan Mouette says...

Read the article very closely... and GP's quote :
'Then, like I have said all the time, everybody has a price and people sometimes pay crazy money for players.

When Ronaldo left Man United I thought it was a terrible decision but the following year they won the league, so it wasn’t that bad.'

Imho this is the clearest hint yet that one or two of our big names could be on their way; as long as the traffic is 2 way I shall live in hope and with those poor old fingers firmly crossed.
Read the article very closely... and GP's quote : 'Then, like I have said all the time, everybody has a price and people sometimes pay crazy money for players. When Ronaldo left Man United I thought it was a terrible decision but the following year they won the league, so it wasn’t that bad.' Imho this is the clearest hint yet that one or two of our big names could be on their way; as long as the traffic is 2 way I shall live in hope and with those poor old fingers firmly crossed. Jonathan Mouette
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10:28am Fri 21 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Interesting time, if offer for Buckley came in and a cash plus Bennett for bridcutt, I suppose it's all about how much Gus has to spend to bring in a goal poacher.. I mentioned chance to goal ratio the other day, Murray is scoring 65% of "good chances" while cms on similar chances is probably 25% that in points this season would amount to ten points lost so far, and how many more if the striker is not found.
Interesting time, if offer for Buckley came in and a cash plus Bennett for bridcutt, I suppose it's all about how much Gus has to spend to bring in a goal poacher.. I mentioned chance to goal ratio the other day, Murray is scoring 65% of "good chances" while cms on similar chances is probably 25% that in points this season would amount to ten points lost so far, and how many more if the striker is not found. mark by the sea
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10:32am Fri 21 Dec 12

Dr Baldhead says...

I hope CMS goes, we get the money we spent on him back and re-invest it in another striker.

Hoping Bridcutt, Bruno and Bucks all stay though!
I hope CMS goes, we get the money we spent on him back and re-invest it in another striker. Hoping Bridcutt, Bruno and Bucks all stay though! Dr Baldhead
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10:47am Fri 21 Dec 12

magoo says...

Any money would be crazy money for CMS. He's not doing well here let's be honest. Time to cut our losses and get rid.
Any money would be crazy money for CMS. He's not doing well here let's be honest. Time to cut our losses and get rid. magoo
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10:48am Fri 21 Dec 12

wiseman of hove says...

Dr Baldhead wrote:
I hope CMS goes, we get the money we spent on him back and re-invest it in another striker.

Hoping Bridcutt, Bruno and Bucks all stay though!
It has taken me a long time to get to this point because CMS has so many qualities but reluctantly after his display on Tuesday, I feel he would benefit from a move and we might just get the requisite clinical finisher.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Baldhead[/bold] wrote: I hope CMS goes, we get the money we spent on him back and re-invest it in another striker. Hoping Bridcutt, Bruno and Bucks all stay though![/p][/quote]It has taken me a long time to get to this point because CMS has so many qualities but reluctantly after his display on Tuesday, I feel he would benefit from a move and we might just get the requisite clinical finisher. wiseman of hove
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11:02am Fri 21 Dec 12

Gibseagull says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
Dr Baldhead wrote: I hope CMS goes, we get the money we spent on him back and re-invest it in another striker. Hoping Bridcutt, Bruno and Bucks all stay though!
It has taken me a long time to get to this point because CMS has so many qualities but reluctantly after his display on Tuesday, I feel he would benefit from a move and we might just get the requisite clinical finisher.
Although I don't disagree with this I wouldn't mind betting that, if CMS does go, he suddenly re-discovers his Peterborough form with his new club! This would normally be called "sods law" but in this case he hasn't fitted in with our style of play so it wasn't a particularly good recruitment decision in the first place. It dies however underline how difficult it's going to be to find the right kind of striker to replace him.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Baldhead[/bold] wrote: I hope CMS goes, we get the money we spent on him back and re-invest it in another striker. Hoping Bridcutt, Bruno and Bucks all stay though![/p][/quote]It has taken me a long time to get to this point because CMS has so many qualities but reluctantly after his display on Tuesday, I feel he would benefit from a move and we might just get the requisite clinical finisher.[/p][/quote]Although I don't disagree with this I wouldn't mind betting that, if CMS does go, he suddenly re-discovers his Peterborough form with his new club! This would normally be called "sods law" but in this case he hasn't fitted in with our style of play so it wasn't a particularly good recruitment decision in the first place. It dies however underline how difficult it's going to be to find the right kind of striker to replace him. Gibseagull
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11:11am Fri 21 Dec 12

northstand4 says...

And so say all of us! Good to see this article. I'd like us to keep hold of the majority of the squad with maybe a couple of fringe players departing to free up funds. Like most people I believe if we can sign 2-3 quality players we can still push on and make the playoffs. UTA!
And so say all of us! Good to see this article. I'd like us to keep hold of the majority of the squad with maybe a couple of fringe players departing to free up funds. Like most people I believe if we can sign 2-3 quality players we can still push on and make the playoffs. UTA! northstand4
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11:27am Fri 21 Dec 12

the taffster says...

the only reason cms hasnt scored 2o goals this season is because of the lack of service.if he had glenn murray upfront with him we wouldnt be discussing the matter.signing wood and keeping cms could put our season back on track.
the only reason cms hasnt scored 2o goals this season is because of the lack of service.if he had glenn murray upfront with him we wouldnt be discussing the matter.signing wood and keeping cms could put our season back on track. the taffster
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11:30am Fri 21 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Interesting time, if offer for Buckley came in and a cash plus Bennett for bridcutt, I suppose it's all about how much Gus has to spend to bring in a goal poacher.. I mentioned chance to goal ratio the other day, Murray is scoring 65% of "good chances" while cms on similar chances is probably 25% that in points this season would amount to ten points lost so far, and how many more if the striker is not found.
You are massively overestimating Murray's conversion rate, unless you consider "good chances" to be those which you would expect him to score 65% of the time!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Interesting time, if offer for Buckley came in and a cash plus Bennett for bridcutt, I suppose it's all about how much Gus has to spend to bring in a goal poacher.. I mentioned chance to goal ratio the other day, Murray is scoring 65% of "good chances" while cms on similar chances is probably 25% that in points this season would amount to ten points lost so far, and how many more if the striker is not found.[/p][/quote]You are massively overestimating Murray's conversion rate, unless you consider "good chances" to be those which you would expect him to score 65% of the time! Old Scrote of the Amex
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11:31am Fri 21 Dec 12

MelsTels says...

Buckley, Bruno, & Bridcutt must stay - they are the mainstay of the team and would be very hard to replace with the same class
CMS has tried his hardest, but the goals have not come. Not all his fault as the service has not been there, but he has missed a number of "sitters" also - my jury is still out on him - unsure still - depends who comes into the club
Buckley, Bruno, & Bridcutt must stay - they are the mainstay of the team and would be very hard to replace with the same class CMS has tried his hardest, but the goals have not come. Not all his fault as the service has not been there, but he has missed a number of "sitters" also - my jury is still out on him - unsure still - depends who comes into the club MelsTels
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11:31am Fri 21 Dec 12

SMF20 says...

I'm really torn on the whole Cms scenario. I do believe that he will be sold next month but at the same time I can't help but think that we will be making a big mistake again. Yes Cms hasn't got the goals we had hoped for but equally he hasn't had the support and chances that I guess he was promised when he arrived. I can see him coming very very good in the second half of the season but only if he is played in a 4-4-2 with a target man alongside him. Should GP stick with the 1 up front formations then it will be time for us to recoup our money. I for one though will be sad to see him go. We have not seen the best of this guy. Uta
I'm really torn on the whole Cms scenario. I do believe that he will be sold next month but at the same time I can't help but think that we will be making a big mistake again. Yes Cms hasn't got the goals we had hoped for but equally he hasn't had the support and chances that I guess he was promised when he arrived. I can see him coming very very good in the second half of the season but only if he is played in a 4-4-2 with a target man alongside him. Should GP stick with the 1 up front formations then it will be time for us to recoup our money. I for one though will be sad to see him go. We have not seen the best of this guy. Uta SMF20
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11:32am Fri 21 Dec 12

SMF20 says...

the taffster wrote:
the only reason cms hasnt scored 2o goals this season is because of the lack of service.if he had glenn murray upfront with him we wouldnt be discussing the matter.signing wood and keeping cms could put our season back on track.
Ditto
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: the only reason cms hasnt scored 2o goals this season is because of the lack of service.if he had glenn murray upfront with him we wouldnt be discussing the matter.signing wood and keeping cms could put our season back on track.[/p][/quote]Ditto SMF20
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11:32am Fri 21 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

magoo wrote:
Any money would be crazy money for CMS. He's not doing well here let's be honest. Time to cut our losses and get rid.
Welcome back to the Magoo pseudonym! You must have lost him some Croydon backstreet.

But I agree, only 10 goals before Christmas? What an embarrassment! Even Lionel Messi has managed 25, so what the hell is wrong with CMS?
[quote][p][bold]magoo[/bold] wrote: Any money would be crazy money for CMS. He's not doing well here let's be honest. Time to cut our losses and get rid.[/p][/quote]Welcome back to the Magoo pseudonym! You must have lost him some Croydon backstreet. But I agree, only 10 goals before Christmas? What an embarrassment! Even Lionel Messi has managed 25, so what the hell is wrong with CMS? Old Scrote of the Amex
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11:39am Fri 21 Dec 12

Gee Jay says...

I agree with the taftster, with service CMS could be much better.
Leeds takeover completed,,Warnock likes CMS and he could offer Becchio in part exchange (South American).
I agree with the taftster, with service CMS could be much better. Leeds takeover completed,,Warnock likes CMS and he could offer Becchio in part exchange (South American). Gee Jay
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11:46am Fri 21 Dec 12

wiseman of hove says...

SMF20 wrote:
I'm really torn on the whole Cms scenario. I do believe that he will be sold next month but at the same time I can't help but think that we will be making a big mistake again. Yes Cms hasn't got the goals we had hoped for but equally he hasn't had the support and chances that I guess he was promised when he arrived. I can see him coming very very good in the second half of the season but only if he is played in a 4-4-2 with a target man alongside him. Should GP stick with the 1 up front formations then it will be time for us to recoup our money. I for one though will be sad to see him go. We have not seen the best of this guy. Uta
Summed up very well. CMS will thrive alongside Grant Holt but with the way the manager sets up the team here, CMS cannot deliver sufficiently and so a move will benefit him. If the big target man arrives in his place and the manager wants the nippy striker alongside, then, at the risk of sounding like a stuck record, I think Hoskins will be more than an adequate replacement for CMS - but he needs match time.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm really torn on the whole Cms scenario. I do believe that he will be sold next month but at the same time I can't help but think that we will be making a big mistake again. Yes Cms hasn't got the goals we had hoped for but equally he hasn't had the support and chances that I guess he was promised when he arrived. I can see him coming very very good in the second half of the season but only if he is played in a 4-4-2 with a target man alongside him. Should GP stick with the 1 up front formations then it will be time for us to recoup our money. I for one though will be sad to see him go. We have not seen the best of this guy. Uta[/p][/quote]Summed up very well. CMS will thrive alongside Grant Holt but with the way the manager sets up the team here, CMS cannot deliver sufficiently and so a move will benefit him. If the big target man arrives in his place and the manager wants the nippy striker alongside, then, at the risk of sounding like a stuck record, I think Hoskins will be more than an adequate replacement for CMS - but he needs match time. wiseman of hove
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12:16pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Yogi says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Interesting time, if offer for Buckley came in and a cash plus Bennett for bridcutt, I suppose it's all about how much Gus has to spend to bring in a goal poacher.. I mentioned chance to goal ratio the other day, Murray is scoring 65% of "good chances" while cms on similar chances is probably 25% that in points this season would amount to ten points lost so far, and how many more if the striker is not found.
You seem to be able to watch 2 games at once then Mark. You also imply that CMS is responsible for us being 10 pts less well off. It is a team game and there have been numerous occasions when other players have missed sitters, had these chances been taken we would probably have 10 pts more!!

Always like your posts and I think we agree that we have both been saying that we need another striker to compliment CMS for the last18 mths or so, let's hope we get one and keep all of our main players too.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Interesting time, if offer for Buckley came in and a cash plus Bennett for bridcutt, I suppose it's all about how much Gus has to spend to bring in a goal poacher.. I mentioned chance to goal ratio the other day, Murray is scoring 65% of "good chances" while cms on similar chances is probably 25% that in points this season would amount to ten points lost so far, and how many more if the striker is not found.[/p][/quote]You seem to be able to watch 2 games at once then Mark. You also imply that CMS is responsible for us being 10 pts less well off. It is a team game and there have been numerous occasions when other players have missed sitters, had these chances been taken we would probably have 10 pts more!! Always like your posts and I think we agree that we have both been saying that we need another striker to compliment CMS for the last18 mths or so, let's hope we get one and keep all of our main players too. Yogi
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12:23pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

I like Gus's new stance regarding his players, it wasn't long ago that he was saying holding onto them is difficult, now it's put up or shut up. I also think Craig will depart in January and it may be best for all concerned, money and Bennett would be a top deal for us. Add wood or Austin and I think we're in business. I'm not in the "it's too soon for the Premier league" camp, I say bring it on if we get the chance.
I like Gus's new stance regarding his players, it wasn't long ago that he was saying holding onto them is difficult, now it's put up or shut up. I also think Craig will depart in January and it may be best for all concerned, money and Bennett would be a top deal for us. Add wood or Austin and I think we're in business. I'm not in the "it's too soon for the Premier league" camp, I say bring it on if we get the chance. Alfie T
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12:36pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Hovite says...

We have never sold our best players before our season is over.

Only an offer we and a player can't refuse will take anyone away.

If we are serious about the playoffs, which we are, we would keep all of them and get one or two players in. We could get the big striker we need, but if he gets injured after a couple of games we would be in trouble if CMS has gone.

Then we would all be moaning about letting him go.

CMS, Hoskins, Barnes and the big striker is the minimum requirement to cover any strategy or eventuality.
We have never sold our best players before our season is over. Only an offer we and a player can't refuse will take anyone away. If we are serious about the playoffs, which we are, we would keep all of them and get one or two players in. We could get the big striker we need, but if he gets injured after a couple of games we would be in trouble if CMS has gone. Then we would all be moaning about letting him go. CMS, Hoskins, Barnes and the big striker is the minimum requirement to cover any strategy or eventuality. Hovite
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12:36pm Fri 21 Dec 12

pablobrowno says...

SMF20 wrote:
I'm really torn on the whole Cms scenario. I do believe that he will be sold next month but at the same time I can't help but think that we will be making a big mistake again. Yes Cms hasn't got the goals we had hoped for but equally he hasn't had the support and chances that I guess he was promised when he arrived. I can see him coming very very good in the second half of the season but only if he is played in a 4-4-2 with a target man alongside him. Should GP stick with the 1 up front formations then it will be time for us to recoup our money. I for one though will be sad to see him go. We have not seen the best of this guy. Uta
I don't know either. The one thing I find odd with the Cms thing is that Poyet's whole game plan seems to be having good ball players. This is the one thing that Cms is most certainly not. He has no strength on the ball and his first touch (mostly) is shocking. The chance he missed from Lualua's low cross on Tuesday (first hal) was a terrible miss! However I remember when he was injured thinking how much we missed him, and I think most fans felt the same. His pace certainly does cause a headache for opposing defenders, maybe we just need that player to play with him and help turn that into goals. That said I can see Poyet playing two up front so not sure how it'd work.

Gus is right tho, 23 games now, the same problems, it is not luck, not a coincidence, it is QUALITY.

See you in Blackburn!! Uta!

Merry Christmas all (other than the idiots). ;)
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm really torn on the whole Cms scenario. I do believe that he will be sold next month but at the same time I can't help but think that we will be making a big mistake again. Yes Cms hasn't got the goals we had hoped for but equally he hasn't had the support and chances that I guess he was promised when he arrived. I can see him coming very very good in the second half of the season but only if he is played in a 4-4-2 with a target man alongside him. Should GP stick with the 1 up front formations then it will be time for us to recoup our money. I for one though will be sad to see him go. We have not seen the best of this guy. Uta[/p][/quote]I don't know either. The one thing I find odd with the Cms thing is that Poyet's whole game plan seems to be having good ball players. This is the one thing that Cms is most certainly not. He has no strength on the ball and his first touch (mostly) is shocking. The chance he missed from Lualua's low cross on Tuesday (first hal) was a terrible miss! However I remember when he was injured thinking how much we missed him, and I think most fans felt the same. His pace certainly does cause a headache for opposing defenders, maybe we just need that player to play with him and help turn that into goals. That said I can see Poyet playing two up front so not sure how it'd work. Gus is right tho, 23 games now, the same problems, it is not luck, not a coincidence, it is QUALITY. See you in Blackburn!! Uta! Merry Christmas all (other than the idiots). ;) pablobrowno
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12:59pm Fri 21 Dec 12

wiseman of hove says...

Good discussion postings on here today including the latest from pablobrowno. I will retire for the rest of the day and look forward to the excellent Johnny Cantor commentary on Radio Sussex tomorrow afternoon.
Good discussion postings on here today including the latest from pablobrowno. I will retire for the rest of the day and look forward to the excellent Johnny Cantor commentary on Radio Sussex tomorrow afternoon. wiseman of hove
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1:03pm Fri 21 Dec 12

ballantrrae says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Read the article very closely... and GP's quote :
'Then, like I have said all the time, everybody has a price and people sometimes pay crazy money for players.

When Ronaldo left Man United I thought it was a terrible decision but the following year they won the league, so it wasn’t that bad.'

Imho this is the clearest hint yet that one or two of our big names could be on their way; as long as the traffic is 2 way I shall live in hope and with those poor old fingers firmly crossed.
An interesting viewpoint JM which I think is reinforced by an article on page 50 of today's Argus entitled 'It's time for Change'. The sub-title is 'Poyet will revamp his squad in transfer window'.
Poyet says that really we should be higher given the performances, possibly in the top 3 but that the club /team only has itself to blame.
More specifically and I quote, he says "It's no more a coincidence, that's where we are. We need to move the squad, we need to make a few changes". He also goes on to say "The idea in the second part of the season is to turn those performances into victories..."
Poyet wants to keep the squad size to its present 24/25 but according to the Argus report 'wants to freshen up the squad by bringing players in and moving others on'.
So I would anticipate players like Harley, Vincelot (unfortunately), Sparrow and possibly even Dobbie, who hasn't as yet fitted in but hasn't had an extended run, to go. I am not sure what the situation is regarding Ankergren who now seems to be the third ranked keeper but with Brez out of contract in the summer (as so many others are as well) perhaps bringing in a young keeper as back up to Kuszczak in January might be prudent. I would also expect another defender regardless of what this thread says since the current defensive crisis is the second in a couple of weeks. I still wonder about the Central Midfield and wouldn't be surprised if someone like Dicker or one of this season's newcomers departed.
This brings one to the question of signing a striker and as others have already posted this might hinge on CMS. Personally I hope he stays but he must be given proper support if he does.
I hope Poyet uses the next couple of games to play Hoskins with CMS up front again. I felt there were signs against Forest that they might work well together since both got into 2 or 3 good positions to score and on another day probably would have. On the other hand one recognises that the funds that might potentially be raised by selling CMS might make it easier for Poyet to 'freshen up' the squad and finally secure the elusive striker he has been wanting for the last eighteen months. Incidently I hope that Hosko is NOT one of the potential departures.
Thoughts J Mourette, MBTS, SMF20, Dr Baldhead, Fratsomrover, Hovite, Farside, Alfie T, VegasSeagull etc ?
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Read the article very closely... and GP's quote : 'Then, like I have said all the time, everybody has a price and people sometimes pay crazy money for players. When Ronaldo left Man United I thought it was a terrible decision but the following year they won the league, so it wasn’t that bad.' Imho this is the clearest hint yet that one or two of our big names could be on their way; as long as the traffic is 2 way I shall live in hope and with those poor old fingers firmly crossed.[/p][/quote]An interesting viewpoint JM which I think is reinforced by an article on page 50 of today's Argus entitled 'It's time for Change'. The sub-title is 'Poyet will revamp his squad in transfer window'. Poyet says that really we should be higher given the performances, possibly in the top 3 but that the club /team only has itself to blame. More specifically and I quote, he says "It's no more a coincidence, that's where we are. We need to move the squad, we need to make a few changes". He also goes on to say "The idea in the second part of the season is to turn those performances into victories..." Poyet wants to keep the squad size to its present 24/25 but according to the Argus report 'wants to freshen up the squad by bringing players in and moving others on'. So I would anticipate players like Harley, Vincelot (unfortunately), Sparrow and possibly even Dobbie, who hasn't as yet fitted in but hasn't had an extended run, to go. I am not sure what the situation is regarding Ankergren who now seems to be the third ranked keeper but with Brez out of contract in the summer (as so many others are as well) perhaps bringing in a young keeper as back up to Kuszczak in January might be prudent. I would also expect another defender regardless of what this thread says since the current defensive crisis is the second in a couple of weeks. I still wonder about the Central Midfield and wouldn't be surprised if someone like Dicker or one of this season's newcomers departed. This brings one to the question of signing a striker and as others have already posted this might hinge on CMS. Personally I hope he stays but he must be given proper support if he does. I hope Poyet uses the next couple of games to play Hoskins with CMS up front again. I felt there were signs against Forest that they might work well together since both got into 2 or 3 good positions to score and on another day probably would have. On the other hand one recognises that the funds that might potentially be raised by selling CMS might make it easier for Poyet to 'freshen up' the squad and finally secure the elusive striker he has been wanting for the last eighteen months. Incidently I hope that Hosko is NOT one of the potential departures. Thoughts J Mourette, MBTS, SMF20, Dr Baldhead, Fratsomrover, Hovite, Farside, Alfie T, VegasSeagull etc ? ballantrrae
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1:04pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Albion fan in London says...

Actually cant wait for the day we start cherry picking NCFC players for once.
Bridcutt would be a massive loss to us CMS I would take the money and run if its a good offer.
Actually cant wait for the day we start cherry picking NCFC players for once. Bridcutt would be a massive loss to us CMS I would take the money and run if its a good offer. Albion fan in London
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1:18pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Bushell says...

I bet you in the coming months if we sell CMS in January someone will be on here saying what a huge mistake it was again by Gus selling him as he is now scoring goals for whoever ! Give CMS some credit he works his socks off up front mostly on his own and opponents hate playing against him because he works so hard. Yes, perhaps he should have a few more goals but 10 at the half way point in the season is not bad and I honestly think he could get 20 this season. Dont sell now, perhaps in the summer see how we get on !!
I bet you in the coming months if we sell CMS in January someone will be on here saying what a huge mistake it was again by Gus selling him as he is now scoring goals for whoever ! Give CMS some credit he works his socks off up front mostly on his own and opponents hate playing against him because he works so hard. Yes, perhaps he should have a few more goals but 10 at the half way point in the season is not bad and I honestly think he could get 20 this season. Dont sell now, perhaps in the summer see how we get on !! Bushell
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1:20pm Fri 21 Dec 12

CAKEBEARD says...

CMS should go, Buckley and Bridcutt must stay...simples...but I know it never is!
CMS should go, Buckley and Bridcutt must stay...simples...but I know it never is! CAKEBEARD
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1:21pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Hovite says...

ballantrrae, my thoughts are 3 comments above yours ;o)
ballantrrae, my thoughts are 3 comments above yours ;o) Hovite
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1:41pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Albion23 says...

Agree cms wikl go.Not all his fault lack of goals. When he was at P.borough he played up front with Goerge Boydd. Here his on his own its G Ps tactics sorry never thought they were right.His either marked out of the game or caught offside. Why doese G P say every player has his price we know that. Keep it to youreself matey. The players dont need to hear that nor do we. Got to bring in a key striker and maybe another defender for back up. Wouldnt say no to Bennet coming back. Could replace Bridders if he goes.
Agree cms wikl go.Not all his fault lack of goals. When he was at P.borough he played up front with Goerge Boydd. Here his on his own its G Ps tactics sorry never thought they were right.His either marked out of the game or caught offside. Why doese G P say every player has his price we know that. Keep it to youreself matey. The players dont need to hear that nor do we. Got to bring in a key striker and maybe another defender for back up. Wouldnt say no to Bennet coming back. Could replace Bridders if he goes. Albion23
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1:44pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Alan G Skinner says...

CAKEBEARD wrote:
CMS should go, Buckley and Bridcutt must stay...simples...but I know it never is!
Agreed, as much as I don't want to see CMS go, I believe he is replaceable. Bridcutt and Buckley are not replaceable and it would ruin my Christmas if they were to leave. Fans need players to get excited about ala Vicente, Buckley, LuaLua, players who can get fans to their feet.
[quote][p][bold]CAKEBEARD[/bold] wrote: CMS should go, Buckley and Bridcutt must stay...simples...but I know it never is![/p][/quote]Agreed, as much as I don't want to see CMS go, I believe he is replaceable. Bridcutt and Buckley are not replaceable and it would ruin my Christmas if they were to leave. Fans need players to get excited about ala Vicente, Buckley, LuaLua, players who can get fans to their feet. Alan G Skinner
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2:04pm Fri 21 Dec 12

bruce beckett says...

Be careful what you wish for. Could we bear the weekly CMS threads on here and NSC along with the ones about Glen Murray every time he scores a goal for his new team? FFS!

Seriously though, if we do buy then please let's get players in who fit into Gus's system. Stephen Dobbie may well be an excellent player but are we ever going to find out while he's wearing the blue and white stripes?

We're still decently placed but I'll be honest, I hoped for a little more when we signed Crofts, Dobbie, Hammond and Orlandi.

Orlandi has been excellent, Hammond pretty good, but Crofts doesn't look like the player he was and we just haven't seen enough of Dobbie.

Too many changes; too many players not producing on a consistent basis. And that includes our so-called stars, CMS and Buckers.
Be careful what you wish for. Could we bear the weekly CMS threads on here and NSC along with the ones about Glen Murray every time he scores a goal for his new team? FFS! Seriously though, if we do buy then please let's get players in who fit into Gus's system. Stephen Dobbie may well be an excellent player but are we ever going to find out while he's wearing the blue and white stripes? We're still decently placed but I'll be honest, I hoped for a little more when we signed Crofts, Dobbie, Hammond and Orlandi. Orlandi has been excellent, Hammond pretty good, but Crofts doesn't look like the player he was and we just haven't seen enough of Dobbie. Too many changes; too many players not producing on a consistent basis. And that includes our so-called stars, CMS and Buckers. bruce beckett
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2:15pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Alan, CAKEBEARD, so what happens if we let CMS go and replace him with new striker who then gets injured?

Doesn't make sense at this stage of the season to gamble like that.

Even in the Prem players miss golden opportunities, have near misses or hit the posts and uprights, not forgetting some great goalkeeping.

This happens week in and week out, it's the head in the hands moment, that's fooball.

A couple of wins on the trott is all we need.
Alan, CAKEBEARD, so what happens if we let CMS go and replace him with new striker who then gets injured? Doesn't make sense at this stage of the season to gamble like that. Even in the Prem players miss golden opportunities, have near misses or hit the posts and uprights, not forgetting some great goalkeeping. This happens week in and week out, it's the head in the hands moment, that's fooball. A couple of wins on the trott is all we need. Hovite
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2:32pm Fri 21 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

I find it hard to accept that so many fans talk of CMS in a negative way when the three players behind him, in the, goals scored column, added together don't make one CMS.

Take the money are run, ok and also say goodbye to the only guy finding the back of net. Buy a new striker, maybe two, and hope that they can score whilst we give a free ride to the others who are supposed to score.

CMS is not the problem but he is part of the cure. We started this year with, what looked on paper, to be several options in mid-field and up front, too many of those players that gave us options have not delivered. Some of the players might yet come good, we are only half way thru the season, but we can't put it all on the shoulders of CMS.

Our problem is our woeful goal tally and goals should come from all quarters and not just one. The mid-field have done very little to add to the tally so far. The defense is just about non-existent in terms of goals. Kazenga has been MIA in recent moneths, thank God he has found himself again. Buckley's goals have dried up. I am still waiting on Hoskins to deleiver. I have no idea as to when Bridcutt last scored. Dobbie another, 'option,' we are still waiting on.

Sell CMS, not on your life, not now. Get him some help, put pressure on those around him right now to fight for their place. Kazenga has stepped up, it's time the others did too.

Crazy money offers, yeah we will take them but the offers will have to be CRAZY.
I find it hard to accept that so many fans talk of CMS in a negative way when the three players behind him, in the, goals scored column, added together don't make one CMS. Take the money are run, ok and also say goodbye to the only guy finding the back of net. Buy a new striker, maybe two, and hope that they can score whilst we give a free ride to the others who are supposed to score. CMS is not the problem but he is part of the cure. We started this year with, what looked on paper, to be several options in mid-field and up front, too many of those players that gave us options have not delivered. Some of the players might yet come good, we are only half way thru the season, but we can't put it all on the shoulders of CMS. Our problem is our woeful goal tally and goals should come from all quarters and not just one. The mid-field have done very little to add to the tally so far. The defense is just about non-existent in terms of goals. Kazenga has been MIA in recent moneths, thank God he has found himself again. Buckley's goals have dried up. I am still waiting on Hoskins to deleiver. I have no idea as to when Bridcutt last scored. Dobbie another, 'option,' we are still waiting on. Sell CMS, not on your life, not now. Get him some help, put pressure on those around him right now to fight for their place. Kazenga has stepped up, it's time the others did too. Crazy money offers, yeah we will take them but the offers will have to be CRAZY. VegasSeagull
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2:46pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Dr Baldhead says...

Wow a day of decent debate without any muppets (should that be gussetts?).

On the whole it looks like most of us want the Bridders and Bucks to stay and whilst there is division over CMS, more seem feel it's time to cash in. A couple of points - I do hope he moves on and scores loads for another team as I wish him well: he's a decent honest pro, but as one other poster said, I think a fresh start might invigorate him. As it happens, I fancy him to score tomorrow but long term I think there are better strikers who might be available to us.

Secondly I'm surprised that in light of our issues scoring, Adgestein hasn't been included in the match day squads this year. In the second half of last season he made a couple of telling contributions coming on as sub - albeit without scoring - and was awarded a new contract. I'm slightly surprised therefore that he hasn't played at all.

Have to say I'm slightly underawed this season having thought we'd be better this time around in light of some good summer signings. That said, this division is still wide open and ripe for the team that wins 4/5 games on the bounce as we enter January. To be honest, I can only see Albion doing this if we add new personnel AND (and it's and IF) when we get Vicente back as his quality would have unlocked a number of the team's we've struggled against at home this season.
Wow a day of decent debate without any muppets (should that be gussetts?). On the whole it looks like most of us want the Bridders and Bucks to stay and whilst there is division over CMS, more seem feel it's time to cash in. A couple of points - I do hope he moves on and scores loads for another team as I wish him well: he's a decent honest pro, but as one other poster said, I think a fresh start might invigorate him. As it happens, I fancy him to score tomorrow but long term I think there are better strikers who might be available to us. Secondly I'm surprised that in light of our issues scoring, Adgestein hasn't been included in the match day squads this year. In the second half of last season he made a couple of telling contributions coming on as sub - albeit without scoring - and was awarded a new contract. I'm slightly surprised therefore that he hasn't played at all. Have to say I'm slightly underawed this season having thought we'd be better this time around in light of some good summer signings. That said, this division is still wide open and ripe for the team that wins 4/5 games on the bounce as we enter January. To be honest, I can only see Albion doing this if we add new personnel AND (and it's and IF) when we get Vicente back as his quality would have unlocked a number of the team's we've struggled against at home this season. Dr Baldhead
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2:46pm Fri 21 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Just a thought.

Consider those that make up our 18 first choice players and think about how many of them could play in the prem, 18 from a squad of 24.

If 6 are good enough then 12 from the 18 are not and 75% of the whole squad is not, and one of the 6 we don't own.

If we got promoted 75% of the squad would be looking for new jobs, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. I am not saying that the players are holding back or that they don't want us to get promoted, but the incentive of premiership football is not there for them.

When we have 12 that are good enough for the step up mental attitudes will be different, the will to win will be greater, even if it is only at the subliminal level.
Just a thought. Consider those that make up our 18 first choice players and think about how many of them could play in the prem, 18 from a squad of 24. If 6 are good enough then 12 from the 18 are not and 75% of the whole squad is not, and one of the 6 we don't own. If we got promoted 75% of the squad would be looking for new jobs, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. I am not saying that the players are holding back or that they don't want us to get promoted, but the incentive of premiership football is not there for them. When we have 12 that are good enough for the step up mental attitudes will be different, the will to win will be greater, even if it is only at the subliminal level. VegasSeagull
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3:42pm Fri 21 Dec 12

LACHANCE says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Just a thought.

Consider those that make up our 18 first choice players and think about how many of them could play in the prem, 18 from a squad of 24.

If 6 are good enough then 12 from the 18 are not and 75% of the whole squad is not, and one of the 6 we don't own.

If we got promoted 75% of the squad would be looking for new jobs, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. I am not saying that the players are holding back or that they don't want us to get promoted, but the incentive of premiership football is not there for them.

When we have 12 that are good enough for the step up mental attitudes will be different, the will to win will be greater, even if it is only at the subliminal level.
Best post of the day and hits the nail on the head.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just a thought. Consider those that make up our 18 first choice players and think about how many of them could play in the prem, 18 from a squad of 24. If 6 are good enough then 12 from the 18 are not and 75% of the whole squad is not, and one of the 6 we don't own. If we got promoted 75% of the squad would be looking for new jobs, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. I am not saying that the players are holding back or that they don't want us to get promoted, but the incentive of premiership football is not there for them. When we have 12 that are good enough for the step up mental attitudes will be different, the will to win will be greater, even if it is only at the subliminal level.[/p][/quote]Best post of the day and hits the nail on the head. LACHANCE
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3:45pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Major Bloodboil says...

If CMS does go then I just hope that we don't play against the team that signs him!
If CMS does go then I just hope that we don't play against the team that signs him! Major Bloodboil
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4:14pm Fri 21 Dec 12

fratsomrover says...

I would not be overly sad if CMS was sold. I dont consider him a star, more a black hole. Bridcutt or Buckley would be real losses but I dont see that CMS will. I think Hoskins will turn out better than CMS given a run of games. I think he would have scored more than CMS's ten goals had he been playing all season. Either way, I think we need a big centre forward to play alongside to share the burden. CMS v Shitu the other night would have been stopped had it been a boxing match.
I would not be overly sad if CMS was sold. I dont consider him a star, more a black hole. Bridcutt or Buckley would be real losses but I dont see that CMS will. I think Hoskins will turn out better than CMS given a run of games. I think he would have scored more than CMS's ten goals had he been playing all season. Either way, I think we need a big centre forward to play alongside to share the burden. CMS v Shitu the other night would have been stopped had it been a boxing match. fratsomrover
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4:17pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Bushell says...

Wait and see, CMS if he goes will score a hatful of goals for some other team and we will have all moaners back saying we should not have sold him and Murray !!!!!!
Give CMS at least until the end of the season and I bet he has 20 goals unless he gets injured.
Just to pick up on an earlier post Bridcutt is not in the team to score goals but he is brilliant at breaking up play and passing to a team mate !
Wait and see, CMS if he goes will score a hatful of goals for some other team and we will have all moaners back saying we should not have sold him and Murray !!!!!! Give CMS at least until the end of the season and I bet he has 20 goals unless he gets injured. Just to pick up on an earlier post Bridcutt is not in the team to score goals but he is brilliant at breaking up play and passing to a team mate ! Bushell
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4:25pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Rather than keep buying/loaning, I wonder what would happen if Gus suspended his 'play my way' mantra for a while and adjusted team strategy to take advantage of what natural strengths the current crop of players offer (CMS for one). Bashing square pegs into round holes seems to be a bit of an unfortunate habit on Gus's (or the management's) part.
Rather than keep buying/loaning, I wonder what would happen if Gus suspended his 'play my way' mantra for a while and adjusted team strategy to take advantage of what natural strengths the current crop of players offer (CMS for one). Bashing square pegs into round holes seems to be a bit of an unfortunate habit on Gus's (or the management's) part. Willie, Willie Irvine
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4:45pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Just a thought.

Consider those that make up our 18 first choice players and think about how many of them could play in the prem, 18 from a squad of 24.

If 6 are good enough then 12 from the 18 are not and 75% of the whole squad is not, and one of the 6 we don't own.

If we got promoted 75% of the squad would be looking for new jobs, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. I am not saying that the players are holding back or that they don't want us to get promoted, but the incentive of premiership football is not there for them.

When we have 12 that are good enough for the step up mental attitudes will be different, the will to win will be greater, even if it is only at the subliminal level.
It's a fair point, but I guess almost all Championship players believe they are good enough for the Premier League, so I can't think any of them would be trying to stay in this division.

Also, by holding back they will only serve to prove they are not worthy of the top flight. Can't see it happening.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just a thought. Consider those that make up our 18 first choice players and think about how many of them could play in the prem, 18 from a squad of 24. If 6 are good enough then 12 from the 18 are not and 75% of the whole squad is not, and one of the 6 we don't own. If we got promoted 75% of the squad would be looking for new jobs, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. I am not saying that the players are holding back or that they don't want us to get promoted, but the incentive of premiership football is not there for them. When we have 12 that are good enough for the step up mental attitudes will be different, the will to win will be greater, even if it is only at the subliminal level.[/p][/quote]It's a fair point, but I guess almost all Championship players believe they are good enough for the Premier League, so I can't think any of them would be trying to stay in this division. Also, by holding back they will only serve to prove they are not worthy of the top flight. Can't see it happening. Old Scrote of the Amex
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5:32pm Fri 21 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: Just a thought. Consider those that make up our 18 first choice players and think about how many of them could play in the prem, 18 from a squad of 24. If 6 are good enough then 12 from the 18 are not and 75% of the whole squad is not, and one of the 6 we don't own. If we got promoted 75% of the squad would be looking for new jobs, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. I am not saying that the players are holding back or that they don't want us to get promoted, but the incentive of premiership football is not there for them. When we have 12 that are good enough for the step up mental attitudes will be different, the will to win will be greater, even if it is only at the subliminal level.
It's a fair point, but I guess almost all Championship players believe they are good enough for the Premier League, so I can't think any of them would be trying to stay in this division. Also, by holding back they will only serve to prove they are not worthy of the top flight. Can't see it happening.
I never said that they were holding back, my point is that they won't reap the rewards of playing in the prem, if we brought in better players, those players would. The extra incentive might be all that is needed.

A few players that one might argue are good enough for the prem, CMS, Bruno, Bridge, Buckley, Orlandi and Vicente, all have been injured this season or currently are injured, they have and do give their all.

A few that one might argue are not good enough for the prem, Barnes, Hammond, Dobbie, Hoskins and Greer, no notable injuries for these players. Maybe I am nuts and It probably means nothing but I notice things like this.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just a thought. Consider those that make up our 18 first choice players and think about how many of them could play in the prem, 18 from a squad of 24. If 6 are good enough then 12 from the 18 are not and 75% of the whole squad is not, and one of the 6 we don't own. If we got promoted 75% of the squad would be looking for new jobs, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. I am not saying that the players are holding back or that they don't want us to get promoted, but the incentive of premiership football is not there for them. When we have 12 that are good enough for the step up mental attitudes will be different, the will to win will be greater, even if it is only at the subliminal level.[/p][/quote]It's a fair point, but I guess almost all Championship players believe they are good enough for the Premier League, so I can't think any of them would be trying to stay in this division. Also, by holding back they will only serve to prove they are not worthy of the top flight. Can't see it happening.[/p][/quote]I never said that they were holding back, my point is that they won't reap the rewards of playing in the prem, if we brought in better players, those players would. The extra incentive might be all that is needed. A few players that one might argue are good enough for the prem, CMS, Bruno, Bridge, Buckley, Orlandi and Vicente, all have been injured this season or currently are injured, they have and do give their all. A few that one might argue are not good enough for the prem, Barnes, Hammond, Dobbie, Hoskins and Greer, no notable injuries for these players. Maybe I am nuts and It probably means nothing but I notice things like this. VegasSeagull
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5:44pm Fri 21 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

This week we have heard of some statements that to my addled brain seem to be contradicting and if not, well plain confusing.

Poyert is ready to spend big to get a striker, good news.

Poyet warns others off of our stars, good news.

We will sell but only if we get a, 'crazy,' offer, I guess that's good news.

Every player has his price, make what you will of that.

During the last window Poyet said that the club does not have deep pockets, I took that to mean that we didn't have bundles to spend.
If we do not sell how can we, 'spend big.'

Is Poyet telling us that the board have given him, 'new money,' so he can spend big without selling. To off load a few fringe players is not going to give us big money to spend.

Have one or two clubs already indicated their desire to buy one or more of our stars, is that where the big money is coming from because if so, then as Poyet says, 'we will have to start again from zero.'

I am a confused fan.
This week we have heard of some statements that to my addled brain seem to be contradicting and if not, well plain confusing. Poyert is ready to spend big to get a striker, good news. Poyet warns others off of our stars, good news. We will sell but only if we get a, 'crazy,' offer, I guess that's good news. Every player has his price, make what you will of that. During the last window Poyet said that the club does not have deep pockets, I took that to mean that we didn't have bundles to spend. If we do not sell how can we, 'spend big.' Is Poyet telling us that the board have given him, 'new money,' so he can spend big without selling. To off load a few fringe players is not going to give us big money to spend. Have one or two clubs already indicated their desire to buy one or more of our stars, is that where the big money is coming from because if so, then as Poyet says, 'we will have to start again from zero.' I am a confused fan. VegasSeagull
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6:03pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Hovite says...

You think your confused Vegas, nothing to do with the Albion, but I've just seen this:

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=urrRcgB58
1w
You think your confused Vegas, nothing to do with the Albion, but I've just seen this: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=urrRcgB58 1w Hovite
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6:24pm Fri 21 Dec 12

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: Just a thought. Consider those that make up our 18 first choice players and think about how many of them could play in the prem, 18 from a squad of 24. If 6 are good enough then 12 from the 18 are not and 75% of the whole squad is not, and one of the 6 we don't own. If we got promoted 75% of the squad would be looking for new jobs, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. I am not saying that the players are holding back or that they don't want us to get promoted, but the incentive of premiership football is not there for them. When we have 12 that are good enough for the step up mental attitudes will be different, the will to win will be greater, even if it is only at the subliminal level.
It's a fair point, but I guess almost all Championship players believe they are good enough for the Premier League, so I can't think any of them would be trying to stay in this division. Also, by holding back they will only serve to prove they are not worthy of the top flight. Can't see it happening.
I never said that they were holding back, my point is that they won't reap the rewards of playing in the prem, if we brought in better players, those players would. The extra incentive might be all that is needed.

A few players that one might argue are good enough for the prem, CMS, Bruno, Bridge, Buckley, Orlandi and Vicente, all have been injured this season or currently are injured, they have and do give their all.

A few that one might argue are not good enough for the prem, Barnes, Hammond, Dobbie, Hoskins and Greer, no notable injuries for these players. Maybe I am nuts and It probably means nothing but I notice things like this.
I am surprised VegasSeagull that you haven't included Kuszczak in your list of premiership quality players in the squad. An oversight perhaps ?
With regards to CMS I can only repeat that I hope he stays.
However to ensure we get the best from him Poyet needs to play some one either alongside or just behind him. Whether that is Hosko or a new striker is not the issue. We need another striker as I think everyone (Poyet included) are agreed on for all the practical reasons Hovite quite rightly points out.
The problem I think Poyet is faced with at the moment is how will the club finance bringing in an expensive new striker (Poyet " Lets spend big") and also freshen up the squad that today's article in the Argus, which I referred to earlier, reports that Poyet wishes to do.
It may be that the only way that BHA can finance such inward activity is by selling CMS and a couple of other less valuable players like Harley.
That I think is the dilema with which Poyet is faced. At the same time he is clearly aware that no less than 13 players will be out of contract in June so some resource needs to be maintained to finance what could be a major restructuring of the squad in 6 to 7 months time.
It doesn't make the task any easier that we don't know for certain which league we will be playing in.
I'm glad these problems are Poyet's and TB's and not mine.
Happy Christmas and New Year everybody.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just a thought. Consider those that make up our 18 first choice players and think about how many of them could play in the prem, 18 from a squad of 24. If 6 are good enough then 12 from the 18 are not and 75% of the whole squad is not, and one of the 6 we don't own. If we got promoted 75% of the squad would be looking for new jobs, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. I am not saying that the players are holding back or that they don't want us to get promoted, but the incentive of premiership football is not there for them. When we have 12 that are good enough for the step up mental attitudes will be different, the will to win will be greater, even if it is only at the subliminal level.[/p][/quote]It's a fair point, but I guess almost all Championship players believe they are good enough for the Premier League, so I can't think any of them would be trying to stay in this division. Also, by holding back they will only serve to prove they are not worthy of the top flight. Can't see it happening.[/p][/quote]I never said that they were holding back, my point is that they won't reap the rewards of playing in the prem, if we brought in better players, those players would. The extra incentive might be all that is needed. A few players that one might argue are good enough for the prem, CMS, Bruno, Bridge, Buckley, Orlandi and Vicente, all have been injured this season or currently are injured, they have and do give their all. A few that one might argue are not good enough for the prem, Barnes, Hammond, Dobbie, Hoskins and Greer, no notable injuries for these players. Maybe I am nuts and It probably means nothing but I notice things like this.[/p][/quote]I am surprised VegasSeagull that you haven't included Kuszczak in your list of premiership quality players in the squad. An oversight perhaps ? With regards to CMS I can only repeat that I hope he stays. However to ensure we get the best from him Poyet needs to play some one either alongside or just behind him. Whether that is Hosko or a new striker is not the issue. We need another striker as I think everyone (Poyet included) are agreed on for all the practical reasons Hovite quite rightly points out. The problem I think Poyet is faced with at the moment is how will the club finance bringing in an expensive new striker (Poyet " Lets spend big") and also freshen up the squad that today's article in the Argus, which I referred to earlier, reports that Poyet wishes to do. It may be that the only way that BHA can finance such inward activity is by selling CMS and a couple of other less valuable players like Harley. That I think is the dilema with which Poyet is faced. At the same time he is clearly aware that no less than 13 players will be out of contract in June so some resource needs to be maintained to finance what could be a major restructuring of the squad in 6 to 7 months time. It doesn't make the task any easier that we don't know for certain which league we will be playing in. I'm glad these problems are Poyet's and TB's and not mine. Happy Christmas and New Year everybody. ballantrrae
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7:16pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Likewise ballantrrae you too
Likewise ballantrrae you too Hovite
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7:20pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Falmer Wizard says...

We need a big goal scoring striker to get the best out of CMS,and for Gus to realise that we cant expect players from the lower leagues to play the Barcelona way, that is not to say we should be playing the long ball but not overdoing the close play,it was intended that the wide pitch at Falmer would be an advantage to us yet watch the goalkeepers kicks down field and see that players are occupying one side of the pitch which results in our build up play continually breaking down.
We need a big goal scoring striker to get the best out of CMS,and for Gus to realise that we cant expect players from the lower leagues to play the Barcelona way, that is not to say we should be playing the long ball but not overdoing the close play,it was intended that the wide pitch at Falmer would be an advantage to us yet watch the goalkeepers kicks down field and see that players are occupying one side of the pitch which results in our build up play continually breaking down. Falmer Wizard
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7:45pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Cap'n Pugwash says...

the taffster wrote:
the only reason cms hasnt scored 2o goals this season is because of the lack of service.if he had glenn murray upfront with him we wouldnt be discussing the matter.signing wood and keeping cms could put our season back on track.
The reason he hasn't scored 20 this season has nothing to do with lack of service and all to do with him lacking quality in key parts of his game. His first touch and control are shocking, as is his ability to convert chances that he should be putting away. He may score some spectacular goals but we need a goal scorer who can make better use of all of the chances that are being created-check the stats, we are amongst the leaders when it comes to creating scoring chances.
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: the only reason cms hasnt scored 2o goals this season is because of the lack of service.if he had glenn murray upfront with him we wouldnt be discussing the matter.signing wood and keeping cms could put our season back on track.[/p][/quote]The reason he hasn't scored 20 this season has nothing to do with lack of service and all to do with him lacking quality in key parts of his game. His first touch and control are shocking, as is his ability to convert chances that he should be putting away. He may score some spectacular goals but we need a goal scorer who can make better use of all of the chances that are being created-check the stats, we are amongst the leaders when it comes to creating scoring chances. Cap'n Pugwash
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10:34pm Fri 21 Dec 12

mark5 says...

Hovite wrote:
We have never sold our best players before our season is over.

Only an offer we and a player can't refuse will take anyone away.

If we are serious about the playoffs, which we are, we would keep all of them and get one or two players in. We could get the big striker we need, but if he gets injured after a couple of games we would be in trouble if CMS has gone.

Then we would all be moaning about letting him go.

CMS, Hoskins, Barnes and the big striker is the minimum requirement to cover any strategy or eventuality.
Totally agree.If we are to push for top 6 then we must strengthen not weaken or change like for like. CMS has a big role to play in any promotion push although, we need stronger options too.Does anyone remember when CMS was signed Poyet said he would build the team around him? Has he?! I think that CMS will depart in January and the nightmare scenario is that another club will get 20/25 goals out of him by playing to his strenghts, which Gus certainly has not. If he goes, we dont just replace him we should bring two in of quality otherwise no progress will be made.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: We have never sold our best players before our season is over. Only an offer we and a player can't refuse will take anyone away. If we are serious about the playoffs, which we are, we would keep all of them and get one or two players in. We could get the big striker we need, but if he gets injured after a couple of games we would be in trouble if CMS has gone. Then we would all be moaning about letting him go. CMS, Hoskins, Barnes and the big striker is the minimum requirement to cover any strategy or eventuality.[/p][/quote]Totally agree.If we are to push for top 6 then we must strengthen not weaken or change like for like. CMS has a big role to play in any promotion push although, we need stronger options too.Does anyone remember when CMS was signed Poyet said he would build the team around him? Has he?! I think that CMS will depart in January and the nightmare scenario is that another club will get 20/25 goals out of him by playing to his strenghts, which Gus certainly has not. If he goes, we dont just replace him we should bring two in of quality otherwise no progress will be made. mark5
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11:06pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Hugothepug says...

Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
the taffster wrote: the only reason cms hasnt scored 2o goals this season is because of the lack of service.if he had glenn murray upfront with him we wouldnt be discussing the matter.signing wood and keeping cms could put our season back on track.
The reason he hasn't scored 20 this season has nothing to do with lack of service and all to do with him lacking quality in key parts of his game. His first touch and control are shocking, as is his ability to convert chances that he should be putting away. He may score some spectacular goals but we need a goal scorer who can make better use of all of the chances that are being created-check the stats, we are amongst the leaders when it comes to creating scoring chances.
Totally agree!! Hes got the touch of an elephant, really poor. Shame coz I like him but needs to be playing off the scraps of a target man. Will gus go with two up top? I very much doubt it which means I think his times up here. And yes we might have to get used to everyone moaning about him scoring elsewhere while playing alongside grant holt, or whoever. But hey that's football!! I'm still loving every minute of it. Our time will come in the big time for sure, but for now I'm just enjoying the ride!!
[quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: the only reason cms hasnt scored 2o goals this season is because of the lack of service.if he had glenn murray upfront with him we wouldnt be discussing the matter.signing wood and keeping cms could put our season back on track.[/p][/quote]The reason he hasn't scored 20 this season has nothing to do with lack of service and all to do with him lacking quality in key parts of his game. His first touch and control are shocking, as is his ability to convert chances that he should be putting away. He may score some spectacular goals but we need a goal scorer who can make better use of all of the chances that are being created-check the stats, we are amongst the leaders when it comes to creating scoring chances.[/p][/quote]Totally agree!! Hes got the touch of an elephant, really poor. Shame coz I like him but needs to be playing off the scraps of a target man. Will gus go with two up top? I very much doubt it which means I think his times up here. And yes we might have to get used to everyone moaning about him scoring elsewhere while playing alongside grant holt, or whoever. But hey that's football!! I'm still loving every minute of it. Our time will come in the big time for sure, but for now I'm just enjoying the ride!! Hugothepug
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2:19pm Sat 22 Dec 12

the taffster says...

Hugothepug wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
the taffster wrote: the only reason cms hasnt scored 2o goals this season is because of the lack of service.if he had glenn murray upfront with him we wouldnt be discussing the matter.signing wood and keeping cms could put our season back on track.
The reason he hasn't scored 20 this season has nothing to do with lack of service and all to do with him lacking quality in key parts of his game. His first touch and control are shocking, as is his ability to convert chances that he should be putting away. He may score some spectacular goals but we need a goal scorer who can make better use of all of the chances that are being created-check the stats, we are amongst the leaders when it comes to creating scoring chances.
Totally agree!! Hes got the touch of an elephant, really poor. Shame coz I like him but needs to be playing off the scraps of a target man. Will gus go with two up top? I very much doubt it which means I think his times up here. And yes we might have to get used to everyone moaning about him scoring elsewhere while playing alongside grant holt, or whoever. But hey that's football!! I'm still loving every minute of it. Our time will come in the big time for sure, but for now I'm just enjoying the ride!!
why buy cms in the first place then?he doesnt look comfortable playing upfront on his own.at posh he played and scored plenty of goals with george boyd, its a case of gus not utilising him properly.
[quote][p][bold]Hugothepug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: the only reason cms hasnt scored 2o goals this season is because of the lack of service.if he had glenn murray upfront with him we wouldnt be discussing the matter.signing wood and keeping cms could put our season back on track.[/p][/quote]The reason he hasn't scored 20 this season has nothing to do with lack of service and all to do with him lacking quality in key parts of his game. His first touch and control are shocking, as is his ability to convert chances that he should be putting away. He may score some spectacular goals but we need a goal scorer who can make better use of all of the chances that are being created-check the stats, we are amongst the leaders when it comes to creating scoring chances.[/p][/quote]Totally agree!! Hes got the touch of an elephant, really poor. Shame coz I like him but needs to be playing off the scraps of a target man. Will gus go with two up top? I very much doubt it which means I think his times up here. And yes we might have to get used to everyone moaning about him scoring elsewhere while playing alongside grant holt, or whoever. But hey that's football!! I'm still loving every minute of it. Our time will come in the big time for sure, but for now I'm just enjoying the ride!![/p][/quote]why buy cms in the first place then?he doesnt look comfortable playing upfront on his own.at posh he played and scored plenty of goals with george boyd, its a case of gus not utilising him properly. the taffster
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8:08pm Sun 23 Dec 12

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Leave CMS alone, great player, the reason he's struggling is that the system Poyet is playing and the poor bloke has no support from fellow strikers. Barnes is a complete joke!!! He spends more time on his arse
Leave CMS alone, great player, the reason he's struggling is that the system Poyet is playing and the poor bloke has no support from fellow strikers. Barnes is a complete joke!!! He spends more time on his arse Tony the tiger eastbourne
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7:34pm Wed 26 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

Translation
Hands off = Make me a massive offer and he's yours
Translation Hands off = Make me a massive offer and he's yours sussexram40
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