Vicente is best off the bench

9:30am Tuesday 12th February 2013 in Albion By Andy Naylor

Vicente started the game at Blackburn three weeks ago Vicente started the game at Blackburn three weeks ago

Vicente has been urged to carry on being a supersub until he gets fitter.

The injury-plagued Spanish playmaker came off the bench to score Albion’s late free-kick winner against Hull at The Amex on Saturday.

He made his only Championship start of the season in the 1-1 draw at Blackburn Rovers three weeks ago but assistant manager Mauricio Taricco believes Vicente would be better off staying as an impact substitute in the return clash tonight.

Taricco said: “It’s difficult because, as we all know, he is a quality player.

“In my opinion he needs to be a little bit fitter, physically a bit stronger to cope with 90 minutes.

“If I was him I would prefer to come on in the last 35 minutes, because the opposition is tired and fresh and normally, depending on the score at the time, he has got a great opportunity to be what he was the other day.

“He scored the goal, made a few nice passes, got the headlines, so if I was him I would probably prefer to come on.

“He could play from the first minute and do what he did in the last 35 in the first 35. Then that opens up the game for you and it can work out well anyway. It’s a tricky decision for us. We want him on the pitch but we don’t want to burn him so we are trying to manage it the best way we can.”

Taricco is desperate to follow up the Hull result with another victory against relegated Rovers, who have risen almost unnoticed into the play-off picture themselves in a turbulent season.

He said: “There is no question that if we want to try to nick a place in the play-offs it’s about winning and winning and winning.

“We are nearly there but you need to think that Middlesbrough have lost their last five games and they are still in the play-offs. They should have a good run, so you need an even better run to get there.

“It’s up to us. There are a lot of games to play but we need to get better and more consistent in terms of results, not performance.”

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saraman says...
9:47am Tue 12 Feb 13

For the next 2 or 3 games I would agree. Bring him on for second half tonight to be the game changer again if it's still 0-0. If we are winning Gus may not take the risk. After that I would like to see him start a game.

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Old Scrote of the Amex says...
10:13am Tue 12 Feb 13

And on the Beeb Vicente is quoted as saying "What I need is to play regularly; not just 10 minutes, 20 minutes or half and hour. You get fit if you are playing more consistently or more regularly. It is the decision of the coach"

To all his doubters, does that sound like someone who doesn't want to play, someone whose head is all wrong?

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Yorkieseagull says...
10:22am Tue 12 Feb 13

It's a thrill to see him stood on the touchline just before he comes on, and if you watch the opposition bench at the same time they all look a little more tense. It's the drama we pay to watch.

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tug509 says...
10:29am Tue 12 Feb 13

I may be wrong,but i think the goals that Vicente has scored at the Amex,have all been at the North Stand!,so second half it is. UTA

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saraman says...
10:38am Tue 12 Feb 13

Didn't he score against Pompy last season in the south goal Tug?. I wasn't at that game so can't be sure.

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tug509 says...
10:40am Tue 12 Feb 13

Sorry Saraman,those two,the free kick,and the Lua Lua put through were definitely at the North. UTA

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WestStander17 says...
10:45am Tue 12 Feb 13

That was at the north end too, Saraman. Virtually identical to the goal on Saturday. Actually, he scored both goals against Pompey but both at that end.

Lets hope we can keep it at least to 0-0 up to the hour mark tonight then so he can come on and win it again. Or is this all part of a cunning plan to put Blackburn off the scent?!

2 up front and Vicente off the bench could actually be Vicente starting off of Ulloa and Buckley flying down the wing!

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albioninmadrid says...
10:57am Tue 12 Feb 13

Probably best for Vicente to carry on as a sub.tonight,then he's got a week to get fitter before the Cardiff match.Enjoy him while you can,Elche are top of the Spanish 2nd division and look sure to go up,so could be Vicente's future club.I hope Hoskins and Buckley get more time on the pitch,Hammond and MackailSmith are clearly the weak links.

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saraman says...
11:12am Tue 12 Feb 13

tug509 wrote:
Sorry Saraman,those two,the free kick,and the Lua Lua put through were definitely at the North. UTA
Thanks for the correction Tug.

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mrgull says...
11:14am Tue 12 Feb 13

Whether vincente starts or comes on 2nd half.its important that he performs.What is more important is that we perform as a team...get the right result and send a clear message to all the other teams that we mean business and its the premiership for us.Get them looking over their shoulders and start to worry

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sloughseagull says...
11:21am Tue 12 Feb 13

Lets get Adam into Rhodes tonight, sneaky elbow onto his recently repaired broken nose might just put him off slightly. Last time I saw Blackburn was at the Goldstone, Sam Aladyce was playing centre half, who according to the Sun Gus will be replacing at West Ham in the summer, and we won 2-0. That will do for tonight! UTA!

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Jonathan Mouette says...
11:22am Tue 12 Feb 13

albioninmadrid wrote:
Probably best for Vicente to carry on as a sub.tonight,then he's got a week to get fitter before the Cardiff match.Enjoy him while you can,Elche are top of the Spanish 2nd division and look sure to go up,so could be Vicente's future club.I hope Hoskins and Buckley get more time on the pitch,Hammond and MackailSmith are clearly the weak links.
I wouldn't go as far as to say CMS is a weak link but I agree with the sentiment that WH and WB get more time. Hoskins cannot prove his worth as so many cry about if he is stuck on the bench. With regard to the first part I am curious as to whether Vicente would go back (with absolutely no disrespect to La Liga) if the Albion went up. He has done La Liga, got the t-shirt etc... but he hasn't been near the PL and that may be oh so tempting... Fingers crossed.

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dave from bexill says...
11:23am Tue 12 Feb 13

albioninmadrid wrote:
Probably best for Vicente to carry on as a sub.tonight,then he's got a week to get fitter before the Cardiff match.Enjoy him while you can,Elche are top of the Spanish 2nd division and look sure to go up,so could be Vicente's future club.I hope Hoskins and Buckley get more time on the pitch,Hammond and MackailSmith are clearly the weak links.
Hello albioninmadrid. You don't actually explain why you think our leading goalscorer is a weak link.

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Old Scrote of the Amex says...
12:00pm Tue 12 Feb 13

dave from bexill wrote:
albioninmadrid wrote:
Probably best for Vicente to carry on as a sub.tonight,then he's got a week to get fitter before the Cardiff match.Enjoy him while you can,Elche are top of the Spanish 2nd division and look sure to go up,so could be Vicente's future club.I hope Hoskins and Buckley get more time on the pitch,Hammond and MackailSmith are clearly the weak links.
Hello albioninmadrid. You don't actually explain why you think our leading goalscorer is a weak link.
See bandwagon, jump on bandwagon.

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Hovite says...
12:33pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
albioninmadrid wrote:
Probably best for Vicente to carry on as a sub.tonight,then he's got a week to get fitter before the Cardiff match.Enjoy him while you can,Elche are top of the Spanish 2nd division and look sure to go up,so could be Vicente's future club.I hope Hoskins and Buckley get more time on the pitch,Hammond and MackailSmith are clearly the weak links.
Hello albioninmadrid. You don't actually explain why you think our leading goalscorer is a weak link.
See bandwagon, jump on bandwagon.
OSA, it is just the same old little troll, getting into a different name. It has it's in your face characters, and it has it's subtle ones that echo others negative posts. Basically feeding off any negative comment and adding their own ones to make up the negative numbers.

This is the trolls job, he / she works hard on their strategy and it takes it very seriously.

The posts that stand out are there to hide the ones that don’t ;o)

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Perseus says...
12:42pm Tue 12 Feb 13

There is a bit snag, of course. How can Vicnete put the ball at the feet of a tiring Ulloa. Ulloa cannot last the full 90 minutes either. I want to see them on the pitch at full throttle together. This problem is amplified in the absence of Barnes. Vicnete is better with wide outlets in the presence of Buckley or LuaLua as well.

My team: 4-3-3 (rather like a Capello 4-4-2 though)
Kuszczak
Calderon El Abd Upson Bridge
Buckley Lopez Hammond
Vicente
Ulloa Mackail-Smith

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Jonathan Mouette says...
12:46pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Good grief - has anyone picked up on the rumour GP is now favourite to take over at West Ham... How on earth would Poyetry in Motion work with those brought up on Fat Sam's Big Boot strategy. Doomed to failure before it even sees the starting blocks. Think again Brady and Gold...

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russellsnr2 says...
12:49pm Tue 12 Feb 13

At the end of the day it will the team that Gus puts and he can play himself if he wants as long as we come out with the three points, need to win the home games to have any chance of a play off place.
Pity the game is not on TV as there are no really other important games tonight!!!!!

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Hovite says...
12:50pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Vicente linked up very well with KLL last season and seemed to be on a natural wavelength. Would like to see them on together at some point.

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allbarnunn says...
1:12pm Tue 12 Feb 13

mrgull wrote:
Whether vincente starts or comes on 2nd half.its important that he performs.What is more important is that we perform as a team...get the right result and send a clear message to all the other teams that we mean business and its the premiership for us.Get them looking over their shoulders and start to worry
Over relying on one, admittedly excellent individual, would be worrying. Everyone has to step up to the plate with ambition attitude and application.its in our hands .....

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tug509 says...
1:19pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Perseus wrote:
There is a bit snag, of course. How can Vicnete put the ball at the feet of a tiring Ulloa. Ulloa cannot last the full 90 minutes either. I want to see them on the pitch at full throttle together. This problem is amplified in the absence of Barnes. Vicnete is better with wide outlets in the presence of Buckley or LuaLua as well.

My team: 4-3-3 (rather like a Capello 4-4-2 though)
Kuszczak
Calderon El Abd Upson Bridge
Buckley Lopez Hammond
Vicente
Ulloa Mackail-Smith
Quite like the idea of a 4-3-3,but i would change Hammond for Orlandi or Lua Lua,and give Craig a much needed rest,and play Hoskins,who must have bitten clean through that bit never mind chomped on it!. UTA

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Bushell says...
1:33pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Bridcutt has to play so ' Perseus ' dont agree with you there I am afraid !

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tinker111 says...
1:33pm Tue 12 Feb 13

sloughseagull wrote:
Lets get Adam into Rhodes tonight, sneaky elbow onto his recently repaired broken nose might just put him off slightly. Last time I saw Blackburn was at the Goldstone, Sam Aladyce was playing centre half, who according to the Sun Gus will be replacing at West Ham in the summer, and we won 2-0. That will do for tonight! UTA!
dont think Ab Dab is quick enough to get on the nose shirt tail maybe

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tinker111 says...
1:35pm Tue 12 Feb 13

tug509 wrote:
Perseus wrote:
There is a bit snag, of course. How can Vicnete put the ball at the feet of a tiring Ulloa. Ulloa cannot last the full 90 minutes either. I want to see them on the pitch at full throttle together. This problem is amplified in the absence of Barnes. Vicnete is better with wide outlets in the presence of Buckley or LuaLua as well.

My team: 4-3-3 (rather like a Capello 4-4-2 though)
Kuszczak
Calderon El Abd Upson Bridge
Buckley Lopez Hammond
Vicente
Ulloa Mackail-Smith
Quite like the idea of a 4-3-3,but i would change Hammond for Orlandi or Lua Lua,and give Craig a much needed rest,and play Hoskins,who must have bitten clean through that bit never mind chomped on it!. UTA
Hammond OUT DICKER IN

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Willie, Willie Irvine says...
1:44pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Hovite wrote:
Vicente linked up very well with KLL last season and seemed to be on a natural wavelength. Would like to see them on together at some point.
They are made for each other. One with a quick brain and precision distrbution, the other with quick feet and the desire to get on the end of one of those cutting passes...

When playing together they offer the team a welcome injection of pace and the potential to split the oppostion defence with ease.

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fratsomrover says...
1:52pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Whats with all these comments about keeping it at 0 v 0 for 60 mins and then bring Vicente on ?
I'm rather hoping we'll be 2 or 3 goals up in 60 mins. Hasn't that been the problem this season, not scoring in the first alf and opening up a lead. WE are the home team and the onus is on us not only to win but to win well because GD might come into the equation at the end of the season.

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WestStander17 says...
2:18pm Tue 12 Feb 13

fratsomrover wrote:
Whats with all these comments about keeping it at 0 v 0 for 60 mins and then bring Vicente on ? I'm rather hoping we'll be 2 or 3 goals up in 60 mins. Hasn't that been the problem this season, not scoring in the first alf and opening up a lead. WE are the home team and the onus is on us not only to win but to win well because GD might come into the equation at the end of the season.
On my part, it was more a wish to be in that situation than being behind and relying on Vicente to get us back into the game. It could be a lot worse than 0-0 after 60 mins with Vicente coming on.

I'd start him and try to get a lead to hang onto when he has gone off. The pace of LuaLua & Buckley would still be a threat against tiring players if needed but hopefully The Dagger will have destroyed them by then!

I'd go back to one up top. With Buckley in for CMS and Vicente in for Orlandi. Keep the rest as it was on Saturday. If Gus continues with 2 up top as he says, just Vicente in for Orlandi from Saturday.

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CJN says...
2:31pm Tue 12 Feb 13

So long as Alan El Abd is still on the pitch when he comes on - someone's got to move the wall! Need a result tonight!

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CJN says...
2:50pm Tue 12 Feb 13

So long as Adam El Abd is still on the pitch when he comes on - someone's got to move the wall! Need a result tonight!

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VegasSeagull says...
3:18pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Vicente is best off the bench, nah Vicente is the best period.

There has to be a time when Vicente starts but I think he accepts that he is not as yet 100% match fit. It would seem to me, and I will have to rely on you guys that see the team play more than I do, that Orlandi would be the one to miss out to make way for Vicente to start. I am not sure that I like that idea.
With a lone striker it would be much easier to bring Vicente in but I don't want to go back to that.
Would it be a totally off the wall suggestion if I said, how about starting Vicente with Ulloa? Not today, but maybe in the near future.

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tug509 says...
4:03pm Tue 12 Feb 13

tinker111 wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Perseus wrote:
There is a bit snag, of course. How can Vicnete put the ball at the feet of a tiring Ulloa. Ulloa cannot last the full 90 minutes either. I want to see them on the pitch at full throttle together. This problem is amplified in the absence of Barnes. Vicnete is better with wide outlets in the presence of Buckley or LuaLua as well.

My team: 4-3-3 (rather like a Capello 4-4-2 though)
Kuszczak
Calderon El Abd Upson Bridge
Buckley Lopez Hammond
Vicente
Ulloa Mackail-Smith
Quite like the idea of a 4-3-3,but i would change Hammond for Orlandi or Lua Lua,and give Craig a much needed rest,and play Hoskins,who must have bitten clean through that bit never mind chomped on it!. UTA
Hammond OUT DICKER IN
Its a tough one Tinker,Dicker has a great eye for a pass,but when i replied to Perseus,i cant believe i didn`t notice the absence of Liam!.

I think if we play two forward,it MIGHT,help keep the play up their end away from Rhodes. But of course they have Kazim Richards and DJ Campbell,so it is going to be very tough for Gus to get it right tonight. If your going Tinker i hope you enjoy the game. UTA

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Freeloaders says...
4:27pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Hovite wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
albioninmadrid wrote:
Probably best for Vicente to carry on as a sub.tonight,then he's got a week to get fitter before the Cardiff match.Enjoy him while you can,Elche are top of the Spanish 2nd division and look sure to go up,so could be Vicente's future club.I hope Hoskins and Buckley get more time on the pitch,Hammond and MackailSmith are clearly the weak links.
Hello albioninmadrid. You don't actually explain why you think our leading goalscorer is a weak link.
See bandwagon, jump on bandwagon.
OSA, it is just the same old little troll, getting into a different name. It has it's in your face characters, and it has it's subtle ones that echo others negative posts. Basically feeding off any negative comment and adding their own ones to make up the negative numbers.

This is the trolls job, he / she works hard on their strategy and it takes it very seriously.

The posts that stand out are there to hide the ones that don’t ;o)
You talk out your back side you sad little man.This from someone that now has five post names from what the Argus can tell.Plus you feel the need to phone the Argus almost everyday asking them to remove posts from Freeloaders.You may give different names but they know your voice you sad little man.Now get a life,or more to the point some real friends.

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Freeloaders says...
4:33pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Why you still on here Hovite after what you said about the site again yesterday.Lets not forget what you said about the people that post on here.Why would you go back to something you claim you dislike so much.How sad would that make you lol.

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VegasSeagull says...
4:35pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Your thoughts on tonight's game Freeloader?

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VegasSeagull says...
4:42pm Tue 12 Feb 13

I wonder if we are allowed to put our e-mail addys on here, I owuld love to e-mail a few of you to get your home land line number,so as to be able to call you after you attend the game.

I can call two or three people now but they don't always get to the matches but they get to most.

I'll call so the costs would be mine.

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Freeloaders says...
5:07pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Hiya Vegas im going with a 2-1 win for the Albion.Some very sad news on Bobby Z the poor guy can now only play 45 mins tops,and then can't walk for three days after without pain.All this at just 32.Looks like he will be out the game between 8 or 12mths at the end of the season.Real shame his a top guy on and off the pitch.

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VegasSeagull says...
5:40pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Freeloaders wrote:
Hiya Vegas im going with a 2-1 win for the Albion.Some very sad news on Bobby Z the poor guy can now only play 45 mins tops,and then can't walk for three days after without pain.All this at just 32.Looks like he will be out the game between 8 or 12mths at the end of the season.Real shame his a top guy on and off the pitch.
Hiya Freeloader. I am thinking 2-0 and possibly better. It has been a while since we last really turned on the style in the league and we know thta we have the players to do so. The importance of this game and the importance of beating Hull might be the turning point.

Yes very sad to hear about Booby Z, hopefuly it is a known condition that can be treated rather than his body simply wearing out.

Tonight is a big night Freeloader, I trust that you are as excited about it as I am.
,

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Hovite says...
5:47pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Vicente linked up very well with KLL last season and seemed to be on a natural wavelength. Would like to see them on together at some point.
They are made for each other. One with a quick brain and precision distrbution, the other with quick feet and the desire to get on the end of one of those cutting passes...

When playing together they offer the team a welcome injection of pace and the potential to split the oppostion defence with ease.
Yep UTA

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VegasSeagull says...
5:51pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Hovite how would you incorporate Vicente into the starting eleven, givien that we now play two strikers?

Would you even start with Vicente?

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Hovite says...
12:14am Wed 13 Feb 13

Just saw your message, yes I would start with Vicente.

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