Vicente blasts Poyet

Released Vicente has fired a broadside at Gus Poyet

Released Vicente has fired a broadside at Gus Poyet

First published in Albion Exclusive by

VICENTE has blasted suspended Albion boss Gus Poyet as “the worst person I’ve come across in football”.

The departing Spanish star has branded Poyet “selfish” and “egocentric”.

And he has accused the Uruguayan of mocking his players in training.

Vicente was released by Albion on Thursday after 18 starts in two injury-hit seasons with the Seagulls.

The 31-year-old former Valencia playmaker claims Poyet was ready to let him return to Spain last summer, because his four-year-old daughter Blanca was struggling to settle in England, but then did a U-turn.

Vicente, who played in the Champions League and La Liga for Valencia and was capped 38 times by Spain, told The Argus: “He is the worst person I’ve come across in football. “For example, he deceived me when he said I could go and then he didn’t let me. I was four months out injured and he wasn’t capable of coming up and asking how I was.

“For me he is a selfish person, very egocentric. I say that because it’s how I feel.

“I won’t talk badly about my team-mates, because they have been fantastic with me. What I think is unacceptable is that the manager makes fun of his players. I’ve seen things here that I have never seen in my career. If you miss with a shot in training, he makes fun. For me, that is unacceptable in football.”

Poyet, his assistant Mauricio Taricco and coach Charlie Oatway, have been suspended by Albion pending an internal investigation into alleged breaches of contract.

Vicente and other players out-of-contract were spoken to by chairman Tony Bloom and head of football David Burke after Poyet refused to deal with the retained list.

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9:07am Sat 18 May 13

Too many Harveys says...

The wheels are well and truly off the Gus bus. Add this to the whole disgrace with the Palace dressing room and we have gone from lauded to embarrassments in a week. They say it's a long time in football and that's certainly been true of the last 7 days.
The wheels are well and truly off the Gus bus. Add this to the whole disgrace with the Palace dressing room and we have gone from lauded to embarrassments in a week. They say it's a long time in football and that's certainly been true of the last 7 days. Too many Harveys
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9:13am Sat 18 May 13

the herbster says...

Complete and utter shame.Without doubt the most talented footballer ever to wear a Brighton and Hove Albion shirt but we never really saw his full potential.Absolulty gutted we will never see him agian at the Amex.All whats going on at the moment is all very sad,
we are better than this
Complete and utter shame.Without doubt the most talented footballer ever to wear a Brighton and Hove Albion shirt but we never really saw his full potential.Absolulty gutted we will never see him agian at the Amex.All whats going on at the moment is all very sad, we are better than this the herbster
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9:15am Sat 18 May 13

nkwbtn says...

Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum.

We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today.

Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.
Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum. We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today. Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us. nkwbtn
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9:17am Sat 18 May 13

AGT999 says...

What happened in the Palace dressing room that I missed?
What happened in the Palace dressing room that I missed? AGT999
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9:20am Sat 18 May 13

SeagullChick says...

And I just wonder what else will come out in the fullness of time

Congrats to TB for growng a pair and dealing with this spoilt brat Gus Poyet and putting him in his place.

Cant wait until his replacement is announced and we can bury him into the history books and move on from this dispicable abyss he has thrown the club into
And I just wonder what else will come out in the fullness of time Congrats to TB for growng a pair and dealing with this spoilt brat Gus Poyet and putting him in his place. Cant wait until his replacement is announced and we can bury him into the history books and move on from this dispicable abyss he has thrown the club into SeagullChick
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9:21am Sat 18 May 13

smegbuster says...

Pity that the Argus's only interview with Vicente is so negative
Pity that the Argus's only interview with Vicente is so negative smegbuster
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9:22am Sat 18 May 13

AGT999 says...

AGT999 wrote:
What happened in the Palace dressing room that I missed?
Just found the answer to my own question, if it is correct as stated, things have got a little out of control at the Amex.
[quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: What happened in the Palace dressing room that I missed?[/p][/quote]Just found the answer to my own question, if it is correct as stated, things have got a little out of control at the Amex. AGT999
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9:27am Sat 18 May 13

LAWgull says...

AGT999 wrote:
AGT999 wrote:
What happened in the Palace dressing room that I missed?
Just found the answer to my own question, if it is correct as stated, things have got a little out of control at the Amex.
FFS what was it
[quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: What happened in the Palace dressing room that I missed?[/p][/quote]Just found the answer to my own question, if it is correct as stated, things have got a little out of control at the Amex.[/p][/quote]FFS what was it LAWgull
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9:28am Sat 18 May 13

brightonup says...

Vicente was indeed a most talented player - and I loved watching him.

But notice the absence of acknowledgement of the fans' warmth.... I am sorry, very sorry to say that the feeling was not reciprocated!

I wish it had been different, but in the rest of the amigos we have great spirit and skill at the service of the club!
Vicente was indeed a most talented player - and I loved watching him. But notice the absence of acknowledgement of the fans' warmth.... I am sorry, very sorry to say that the feeling was not reciprocated! I wish it had been different, but in the rest of the amigos we have great spirit and skill at the service of the club! brightonup
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9:28am Sat 18 May 13

taylord1977 says...

AGT999 wrote:
What happened in the Palace dressing room that I missed?
Daily Mail today has published an email from Gus:

THE FULL TRANSCRIPT OF GUS POYET'S EMAIL TO HIS PLAYERS
'Hi All,
1) ...when Crystal Palace players and staff arrived to the Amex and went into their dressing room, they found themselves in a very uncomfortable situation, for some reason that still no clear to me , someone during the day had access to the away dressing room and done something terrible, trying to upset everyone related to Palace. To say it in clear English, someone had a ‘poo’ all outside the toilets, over and around the toilets.
Now, after careful consideration, and even after a meeting with the Chairman who assured me that MY REPUTATION IS INTACT, I feel that I must express my anger that anyone inside this organisation thought they could interfere with it.
I am angry that someone within this club could endanger our good reputation and stoop so low - did they imagine that this would affect the Crystal Palace players - well it possible did - it may just have fired them up even more.
Well someone made a very bad decision and I think it is time to stand up and take responsibility - not just the culprit but those employees who are supposed to make our stadium safe and secure. Surely changing rooms are high up on securities check lists???
Surely someone should lose their job to allow such a breach of security - they do not deserve to be part of this club!...
2)...would someone like to admit it was their idea to hand out stupid pieces of noise-making paper - can I tell you it was an extremely silly idea and the result was an annoying noise - I am not for one minute blaming the result of the game on this, but it added only negative vibes to the proceedings along with the rubbish filled balloons that littered the pitch.
My team of players and staff have worked hard this season and I do not appreciate negative actions from others within the club...whoever you are, you let the club down very badly.
Gus Poyet'


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[quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: What happened in the Palace dressing room that I missed?[/p][/quote]Daily Mail today has published an email from Gus: THE FULL TRANSCRIPT OF GUS POYET'S EMAIL TO HIS PLAYERS 'Hi All, 1) ...when Crystal Palace players and staff arrived to the Amex and went into their dressing room, they found themselves in a very uncomfortable situation, for some reason that still no clear to me , someone during the day had access to the away dressing room and done something terrible, trying to upset everyone related to Palace. To say it in clear English, someone had a ‘poo’ all outside the toilets, over and around the toilets. Now, after careful consideration, and even after a meeting with the Chairman who assured me that MY REPUTATION IS INTACT, I feel that I must express my anger that anyone inside this organisation thought they could interfere with it. I am angry that someone within this club could endanger our good reputation and stoop so low - did they imagine that this would affect the Crystal Palace players - well it possible did - it may just have fired them up even more. Well someone made a very bad decision and I think it is time to stand up and take responsibility - not just the culprit but those employees who are supposed to make our stadium safe and secure. Surely changing rooms are high up on securities check lists??? Surely someone should lose their job to allow such a breach of security - they do not deserve to be part of this club!... 2)...would someone like to admit it was their idea to hand out stupid pieces of noise-making paper - can I tell you it was an extremely silly idea and the result was an annoying noise - I am not for one minute blaming the result of the game on this, but it added only negative vibes to the proceedings along with the rubbish filled balloons that littered the pitch. My team of players and staff have worked hard this season and I do not appreciate negative actions from others within the club...whoever you are, you let the club down very badly. Gus Poyet' Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2326470/Gu s-Poyet-fury-Brighto n-leave-poo-Crystal- Palace-dressing-room .html#ixzz2Td1uhlhp taylord1977
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9:36am Sat 18 May 13

SeagullChick says...

nkwbtn wrote:
Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum.

We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today.

Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.
Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon?

He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions

Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due.

Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be.

Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance.

Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season?

18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness.

Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won.

And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace?

I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.
[quote][p][bold]nkwbtn[/bold] wrote: Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum. We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today. Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.[/p][/quote]Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon? He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due. Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be. Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance. Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season? 18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness. Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won. And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace? I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club. SeagullChick
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9:38am Sat 18 May 13

saraman says...

AGT999 wrote:
What happened in the Palace dressing room that I missed?
According to The Argus today an insult was scrawled on the wall in pooh sometime before half time. Holloway went ballistic and that's why the Palace team were fired up in the second half.
[quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: What happened in the Palace dressing room that I missed?[/p][/quote]According to The Argus today an insult was scrawled on the wall in pooh sometime before half time. Holloway went ballistic and that's why the Palace team were fired up in the second half. saraman
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9:51am Sat 18 May 13

Albion In Staffs says...

Whatever else Gus may have done or said to cause his suspension, he is spot on with the comments in his e-mail about the dressing room. Whether it was the right way to express them is perhaps an issue, but as a basic premise of respect and dignity, someone was completely out of order. I wouldn't want to be associated with a club that harbours someone with that mentality.
Pathetic, infantile, disrespectful and embarrassing.
Whatever else Gus may have done or said to cause his suspension, he is spot on with the comments in his e-mail about the dressing room. Whether it was the right way to express them is perhaps an issue, but as a basic premise of respect and dignity, someone was completely out of order. I wouldn't want to be associated with a club that harbours someone with that mentality. Pathetic, infantile, disrespectful and embarrassing. Albion In Staffs
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9:51am Sat 18 May 13

South Stand Tranny says...

Viva Vicente. Calderon/Vicente management team please. Bloom, give them the authority to field a totally Spanish team.
Viva Vicente. Calderon/Vicente management team please. Bloom, give them the authority to field a totally Spanish team. South Stand Tranny
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9:52am Sat 18 May 13

MHubbs says...

saraman wrote:
AGT999 wrote:
What happened in the Palace dressing room that I missed?
According to The Argus today an insult was scrawled on the wall in pooh sometime before half time. Holloway went ballistic and that's why the Palace team were fired up in the second half.
If true then good luck to Palace I say. You cannot condone those actions in any way!

Vicente - added nothing to our season. If he is correct then Gus man management leaves much to be desired, although clearly his arrogance and egocentric nature has always been clear to see.

I hope that the board can soon get to the 'bottom' of the incident and give it a good slap lol.
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: What happened in the Palace dressing room that I missed?[/p][/quote]According to The Argus today an insult was scrawled on the wall in pooh sometime before half time. Holloway went ballistic and that's why the Palace team were fired up in the second half.[/p][/quote]If true then good luck to Palace I say. You cannot condone those actions in any way! Vicente - added nothing to our season. If he is correct then Gus man management leaves much to be desired, although clearly his arrogance and egocentric nature has always been clear to see. I hope that the board can soon get to the 'bottom' of the incident and give it a good slap lol. MHubbs
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9:54am Sat 18 May 13

Gardenboy says...

This time last week, our expectations for the Albion were very high, anticipating a trip to Wembley. What a difference a week makes! Our club seems is being ripped apart by the press. I feel very sorry for the squad who must be fearing for the future :-(
This time last week, our expectations for the Albion were very high, anticipating a trip to Wembley. What a difference a week makes! Our club seems is being ripped apart by the press. I feel very sorry for the squad who must be fearing for the future :-( Gardenboy
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9:55am Sat 18 May 13

Clean Sheet says...

No doubt that Vicente is a fantastic footballer, and clearly what happened last summer upset him, however he is a professional footballer and was contracted to the Albion. No doubt in my mind that the coaching over the past 3 years surpassed anything we have seen at Brighton for many a year, so there might just be a hint of sour grapes in the Vicente outburst. Always best to thank someone for their contribution, and move on.
No doubt that Vicente is a fantastic footballer, and clearly what happened last summer upset him, however he is a professional footballer and was contracted to the Albion. No doubt in my mind that the coaching over the past 3 years surpassed anything we have seen at Brighton for many a year, so there might just be a hint of sour grapes in the Vicente outburst. Always best to thank someone for their contribution, and move on. Clean Sheet
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9:56am Sat 18 May 13

tug509 says...

SeagullChick wrote:
nkwbtn wrote:
Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum.

We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today.

Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.
Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon?

He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions

Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due.

Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be.

Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance.

Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season?

18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness.

Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won.

And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace?

I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.
Hard to argue against any of what you have said SeagullChick. UTA
[quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nkwbtn[/bold] wrote: Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum. We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today. Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.[/p][/quote]Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon? He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due. Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be. Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance. Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season? 18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness. Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won. And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace? I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.[/p][/quote]Hard to argue against any of what you have said SeagullChick. UTA tug509
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9:57am Sat 18 May 13

wiseman of hove says...

I recall incredulation some months back on this site from many posters when even the manager apparently indicated that there was no contact between him and Vicente regarding his injury.
I recall incredulation some months back on this site from many posters when even the manager apparently indicated that there was no contact between him and Vicente regarding his injury. wiseman of hove
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9:58am Sat 18 May 13

Bucket feet Duffy says...

SeagullChick wrote:
nkwbtn wrote:
Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum.

We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today.

Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.
Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon?

He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions

Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due.

Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be.

Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance.

Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season?

18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness.

Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won.

And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace?

I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.
I think Gus would respond that he did not have the money to do it his way, I am not sure, that any other manager could or could not achieve what he did with the budget he had, he wanted out, he has gone the wrong way about it, whether he was right for us at the time, we will never know.
The club must move on as quickly as possible, let the dust settle and then sit down with Gus and try to work out an exit which is best for both parties.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nkwbtn[/bold] wrote: Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum. We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today. Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.[/p][/quote]Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon? He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due. Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be. Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance. Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season? 18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness. Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won. And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace? I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.[/p][/quote]I think Gus would respond that he did not have the money to do it his way, I am not sure, that any other manager could or could not achieve what he did with the budget he had, he wanted out, he has gone the wrong way about it, whether he was right for us at the time, we will never know. The club must move on as quickly as possible, let the dust settle and then sit down with Gus and try to work out an exit which is best for both parties. Bucket feet Duffy
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9:59am Sat 18 May 13

pablobrowno says...

Look none of us can deny that Poyet has done an amazing job taking us from where we were to where we are. But it does sadly seem like now is the right time for a "relatively" amicable separation. The fact is we are now attracting interest from the likes of De Matteo and David Platt to be our next manager, and that is amazing coming from where we were three years ago. Poyet obviously separates opinion within his employees as well as the fans, but that is Poyet, good and bad. It's ridiculous to suggest he has thrown the club into a 'dispicable abyss"?!!!!!

The fact that Barber upset the bandwagon is a little worrying, although of course we don't have a clue what really goes on behind the scenes (apart from people pooing in dressing rooms!). I hope he isn't someone who tends to clash with most managers!
Look none of us can deny that Poyet has done an amazing job taking us from where we were to where we are. But it does sadly seem like now is the right time for a "relatively" amicable separation. The fact is we are now attracting interest from the likes of De Matteo and David Platt to be our next manager, and that is amazing coming from where we were three years ago. Poyet obviously separates opinion within his employees as well as the fans, but that is Poyet, good and bad. It's ridiculous to suggest he has thrown the club into a 'dispicable abyss"?!!!!! The fact that Barber upset the bandwagon is a little worrying, although of course we don't have a clue what really goes on behind the scenes (apart from people pooing in dressing rooms!). I hope he isn't someone who tends to clash with most managers! pablobrowno
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9:59am Sat 18 May 13

duncan 74 says...

There is a lot more to it than this. We will never know. Just got to trust Mr Bloom.
There is a lot more to it than this. We will never know. Just got to trust Mr Bloom. duncan 74
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10:02am Sat 18 May 13

bikerjimbo says...

I find all the above posts interesting. It is clear that whoever desecrated the palace changing room should be sacked. Gus sent a brilliant email putting his position very clear. All this other pooh about how bad he is as a manager is utter rubbish. He has taken BHA to a very high level but Palace did us over simple as that. I relished Palace at Wembley where we could have gone up feeling very proud of ourselves. It wasn't to be. So get over it and let's look forward to next season which will be tougher still. We missed the boat this time but there is always another one. I think the way Gus set out the way we play is enjoyable to watch and if he goes I want a manager who organises the way the team play in a very similar fashion to what we have come to expect. As fans we have little say as to who is going to be in charge but whoever it us deserves our support so that we in turn can support our team. Can I suggest to all the detractors that they shift their allegiance to either Watford or Palace and watch Premiership matches next year. It is a real shame that the club is in freefall at the end of the best season for years. The banter could be bad for us next season but on a different subject! UTA
I find all the above posts interesting. It is clear that whoever desecrated the palace changing room should be sacked. Gus sent a brilliant email putting his position very clear. All this other pooh about how bad he is as a manager is utter rubbish. He has taken BHA to a very high level but Palace did us over simple as that. I relished Palace at Wembley where we could have gone up feeling very proud of ourselves. It wasn't to be. So get over it and let's look forward to next season which will be tougher still. We missed the boat this time but there is always another one. I think the way Gus set out the way we play is enjoyable to watch and if he goes I want a manager who organises the way the team play in a very similar fashion to what we have come to expect. As fans we have little say as to who is going to be in charge but whoever it us deserves our support so that we in turn can support our team. Can I suggest to all the detractors that they shift their allegiance to either Watford or Palace and watch Premiership matches next year. It is a real shame that the club is in freefall at the end of the best season for years. The banter could be bad for us next season but on a different subject! UTA bikerjimbo
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10:05am Sat 18 May 13

tug509 says...

Out of 92 league clubs palace are my 93rd favourite,but who ever let our great club down by humiliating us in public with this stunt should be held publicly accountable.

This is not a true reflection of the club or it`s incomparable fans. UTA
Out of 92 league clubs palace are my 93rd favourite,but who ever let our great club down by humiliating us in public with this stunt should be held publicly accountable. This is not a true reflection of the club or it`s incomparable fans. UTA tug509
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10:06am Sat 18 May 13

rolivan says...

Why has it taken 2 reporters to write this article.I feel that something went on with the Argus and the Club around the time of the Reading Job.Why did Gus not email the Argus being a local paper as well as a National?
Why has it taken 2 reporters to write this article.I feel that something went on with the Argus and the Club around the time of the Reading Job.Why did Gus not email the Argus being a local paper as well as a National? rolivan
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10:06am Sat 18 May 13

daveyboy35 says...

Where's old scrote now with his tongue firmly rammed up poyets ****??? It's always been about him and only him!! Yeh granted the man did a good job, but with the team we had last year and with the right motivation we should have gone up automatically!!! Something clearly has been missing!!!!
Where's old scrote now with his tongue firmly rammed up poyets ****??? It's always been about him and only him!! Yeh granted the man did a good job, but with the team we had last year and with the right motivation we should have gone up automatically!!! Something clearly has been missing!!!! daveyboy35
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10:08am Sat 18 May 13

Alan G Skinner says...

That's it, goodbye GP. For Vicente to say that, given the players and coaches he has been around says it all. Successful he may have been, but it would appear GP has started to believe his own press. Pride before the fall.... By the way, thank you Vicente, the finest player I have ever seen pull on the Blue and White stripes.
That's it, goodbye GP. For Vicente to say that, given the players and coaches he has been around says it all. Successful he may have been, but it would appear GP has started to believe his own press. Pride before the fall.... By the way, thank you Vicente, the finest player I have ever seen pull on the Blue and White stripes. Alan G Skinner
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10:09am Sat 18 May 13

Steveg1958 says...

What a week, ! from looking forward to Wembley and possible Premier league we have truly plumbed the depths, something is seriously wrong with the club, players in court, manager openly critical and courting jobs, some idiot, doing crazy things in the Palace dressing room an now splashed all over he press. whoever is responsible for man management at all levels needs sacking. TB must get a grip with all this and quick, the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.
What a week, ! from looking forward to Wembley and possible Premier league we have truly plumbed the depths, something is seriously wrong with the club, players in court, manager openly critical and courting jobs, some idiot, doing crazy things in the Palace dressing room an now splashed all over he press. whoever is responsible for man management at all levels needs sacking. TB must get a grip with all this and quick, the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans. Steveg1958
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10:10am Sat 18 May 13

taman says...

trouble at the andrex ?..oops sorry i mean amex
trouble at the andrex ?..oops sorry i mean amex taman
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10:11am Sat 18 May 13

Claude Back says...

Re 'Poogate':
Isn't it possible that someone not BAHAFC staff infiltrated the 'security' and did the deed?
Gus seems to think it was an inside jobbie but maybe a 'fan' broke in? Seems more the action of a Palace hating cretin than staff to me.
As for Vicente, I think we should hear the defence after hearing the prosecution? Maybe Gus will tell us his version one day...probably not though.
Re 'Poogate': Isn't it possible that someone not BAHAFC staff infiltrated the 'security' and did the deed? Gus seems to think it was an inside jobbie but maybe a 'fan' broke in? Seems more the action of a Palace hating cretin than staff to me. As for Vicente, I think we should hear the defence after hearing the prosecution? Maybe Gus will tell us his version one day...probably not though. Claude Back
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10:13am Sat 18 May 13

Baldseagull says...

Loved Vicente's play but he was obviously unhappy to be here this season.
I think Vicente is being a little bit precious in this article.
Gus will have to deal with a variety of character types though if he wants to manage at the top, and should be able to motivate all of them, not just the ones that are used to mickey taking banter and can use it as motivation to do better.
Gus is a manager in the making still, he will have learned a lot in his time here, and perhaps the most important things in the last week.
Wherever he goes, I think we will see a slightly less honest, little more prickly Gus when it comes to the media.
On the other hand, he might just be so arrogant and full of himself that he won't change at all and will blame all the shortcomings on others.
Loved Vicente's play but he was obviously unhappy to be here this season. I think Vicente is being a little bit precious in this article. Gus will have to deal with a variety of character types though if he wants to manage at the top, and should be able to motivate all of them, not just the ones that are used to mickey taking banter and can use it as motivation to do better. Gus is a manager in the making still, he will have learned a lot in his time here, and perhaps the most important things in the last week. Wherever he goes, I think we will see a slightly less honest, little more prickly Gus when it comes to the media. On the other hand, he might just be so arrogant and full of himself that he won't change at all and will blame all the shortcomings on others. Baldseagull
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10:14am Sat 18 May 13

wiseman of hove says...

Unless I've missed something, Ian Holloway has conducted himself impressively in view of what is now transpiring. Palace are lucky to have him.
Unless I've missed something, Ian Holloway has conducted himself impressively in view of what is now transpiring. Palace are lucky to have him. wiseman of hove
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10:15am Sat 18 May 13

Steveg1958 says...

On a seperate note, I wish Vicente well, certainly the most talented player I have ever seen in an Albion shirt, just a shame we saw so little of him, pity Poyet couldnt "lower himself" to ask him how he was feeling, good man management, not !! there seems to be a pattern developing here. Lets hope TB gets this sorted and quick before the club's name goes even further down the toilet.
On a seperate note, I wish Vicente well, certainly the most talented player I have ever seen in an Albion shirt, just a shame we saw so little of him, pity Poyet couldnt "lower himself" to ask him how he was feeling, good man management, not !! there seems to be a pattern developing here. Lets hope TB gets this sorted and quick before the club's name goes even further down the toilet. Steveg1958
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10:16am Sat 18 May 13

weststandupperlacostearmy says...

taman wrote:
trouble at the andrex ?..oops sorry i mean amex
i woke up in a foul mood but that made me smile....thank you taman!
[quote][p][bold]taman[/bold] wrote: trouble at the andrex ?..oops sorry i mean amex[/p][/quote]i woke up in a foul mood but that made me smile....thank you taman! weststandupperlacostearmy
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10:16am Sat 18 May 13

Claude Back says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
What a week, ! from looking forward to Wembley and possible Premier league we have truly plumbed the depths, something is seriously wrong with the club, players in court, manager openly critical and courting jobs, some idiot, doing crazy things in the Palace dressing room an now splashed all over he press. whoever is responsible for man management at all levels needs sacking. TB must get a grip with all this and quick, the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.
Very good. I think it was more smeared than splashed, though
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: What a week, ! from looking forward to Wembley and possible Premier league we have truly plumbed the depths, something is seriously wrong with the club, players in court, manager openly critical and courting jobs, some idiot, doing crazy things in the Palace dressing room an now splashed all over he press. whoever is responsible for man management at all levels needs sacking. TB must get a grip with all this and quick, the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.[/p][/quote]Very good. I think it was more smeared than splashed, though Claude Back
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10:21am Sat 18 May 13

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Maybe it's been dealt with already, and the culprit for this despicable act has already gone, didn't think the crinkley cardboard was to bad an idea but flags would have been better! And it might have been a good idea to run it past the manager first. It does sound like the back room staff and playing staff are becoming to departmentalised. Every one in the club from the stewards up should consider themselves and be considered as part of the team. The team spirit running right through the club is central to success.
Maybe it's been dealt with already, and the culprit for this despicable act has already gone, didn't think the crinkley cardboard was to bad an idea but flags would have been better! And it might have been a good idea to run it past the manager first. It does sound like the back room staff and playing staff are becoming to departmentalised. Every one in the club from the stewards up should consider themselves and be considered as part of the team. The team spirit running right through the club is central to success. Bucket feet Duffy
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10:22am Sat 18 May 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

There have been incidents throughout the season when I have called into question GP's man-management skills. I never thought that the most talented player on the books would be the one to highlight the problem; after all I doubt if Poyet ever took the pee out of him. The in-house problems appear to have been brewing for some time and I doubt we shall ever hear the full story. Shame. However the person responsible for the Palace dressing room incident must be publicly humiliated before he is sacked. Hopefully the whole story will be dead and buried in days rather than weeks and we can find someone who is not so reliant on a cheque book to get us where we want to go. Not easy but a great challenge to the right man. C'mon Roberto, step up to the plate. UTA.
There have been incidents throughout the season when I have called into question GP's man-management skills. I never thought that the most talented player on the books would be the one to highlight the problem; after all I doubt if Poyet ever took the pee out of him. The in-house problems appear to have been brewing for some time and I doubt we shall ever hear the full story. Shame. However the person responsible for the Palace dressing room incident must be publicly humiliated before he is sacked. Hopefully the whole story will be dead and buried in days rather than weeks and we can find someone who is not so reliant on a cheque book to get us where we want to go. Not easy but a great challenge to the right man. C'mon Roberto, step up to the plate. UTA. Jonathan Mouette
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10:22am Sat 18 May 13

Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
Unless I've missed something, Ian Holloway has conducted himself impressively in view of what is now transpiring. Palace are lucky to have him.
My thoughts exactly. In a week, I've gone from begrudging Palace every ounce of their success to wishing them well in the final (and that takes some doing!!). Well done, Ian Holloway; Guy Poyet, words fail me (and that takes some doing too!!)
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: Unless I've missed something, Ian Holloway has conducted himself impressively in view of what is now transpiring. Palace are lucky to have him.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly. In a week, I've gone from begrudging Palace every ounce of their success to wishing them well in the final (and that takes some doing!!). Well done, Ian Holloway; Guy Poyet, words fail me (and that takes some doing too!!) Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)
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10:22am Sat 18 May 13

B rian Tawses left foot says...

I'm surprised that anybody's surprised at Poyet's behaviour. Remember when we played Nowich at home in Poyet's first season - we lost and some fan's slow handclapped the dilatory performance. Poyet threatened to quit after the game - 'I can get fed up too'. The writing was already on the wall - though to suggest this was the case at the time was to invite excrement to be tipped upon one's head by 'Poyetistas'. Ironically the same people cannot pour enough of said substance on their one time hero now.
I'm surprised that anybody's surprised at Poyet's behaviour. Remember when we played Nowich at home in Poyet's first season - we lost and some fan's slow handclapped the dilatory performance. Poyet threatened to quit after the game - 'I can get fed up too'. The writing was already on the wall - though to suggest this was the case at the time was to invite excrement to be tipped upon one's head by 'Poyetistas'. Ironically the same people cannot pour enough of said substance on their one time hero now. B rian Tawses left foot
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10:32am Sat 18 May 13

Baldseagull says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
What a week, ! from looking forward to Wembley and possible Premier league we have truly plumbed the depths, something is seriously wrong with the club, players in court, manager openly critical and courting jobs, some idiot, doing crazy things in the Palace dressing room an now splashed all over he press. whoever is responsible for man management at all levels needs sacking. TB must get a grip with all this and quick, the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.
It is possible to have a rivalry without smearing **** on each others walls.
1 person, maybe 2 has done this, a failing of security allowed it to happen.
The worst thing that has happened here is that Gus has sent an Email to "all staff", which includes some no longer employed but still on the Email list so that the whole world now knows about it. Palace players did not know, the kit man would have found it, and some poor cleaner at the Amex has had an unpleasant task to do in a hurry.
Gus had every right to be cross, but yet again broadcasts his feelings and lets everyone know something which was best kept as quiet as possible.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: What a week, ! from looking forward to Wembley and possible Premier league we have truly plumbed the depths, something is seriously wrong with the club, players in court, manager openly critical and courting jobs, some idiot, doing crazy things in the Palace dressing room an now splashed all over he press. whoever is responsible for man management at all levels needs sacking. TB must get a grip with all this and quick, the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.[/p][/quote]It is possible to have a rivalry without smearing **** on each others walls. 1 person, maybe 2 has done this, a failing of security allowed it to happen. The worst thing that has happened here is that Gus has sent an Email to "all staff", which includes some no longer employed but still on the Email list so that the whole world now knows about it. Palace players did not know, the kit man would have found it, and some poor cleaner at the Amex has had an unpleasant task to do in a hurry. Gus had every right to be cross, but yet again broadcasts his feelings and lets everyone know something which was best kept as quiet as possible. Baldseagull
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10:34am Sat 18 May 13

pte says...

I feel sorry for the cleaners that had to clear up the mess.

Maybe Gus could have got more funds from the board if he had gone about it in the right way but instead he got peoples backs up. Don't forget he was shown the door at both Spurs and Leeds.

What Vincente says rings true. I didnt like the way he openly criticized the quality of the players he had to work with in the press. It took a player at the end of their career and nothing to lose to have the guts to tell the truth.

Somehow I dont think the club will get compensation apart from getting rid.

These types of people have a charming side so he will get a job elsewhere but how long he lasts is another matter.

Di Matteo is too inexperienced and was carried by the momentum of well run clubs. I fancy Darren Ferguson who looks an OK guy, or the Bournmouth manager.

Brighton will get over this and Gus's departure should be seen as a necessary and beneficial effect on thestability and future of the club
I feel sorry for the cleaners that had to clear up the mess. Maybe Gus could have got more funds from the board if he had gone about it in the right way but instead he got peoples backs up. Don't forget he was shown the door at both Spurs and Leeds. What Vincente says rings true. I didnt like the way he openly criticized the quality of the players he had to work with in the press. It took a player at the end of their career and nothing to lose to have the guts to tell the truth. Somehow I dont think the club will get compensation apart from getting rid. These types of people have a charming side so he will get a job elsewhere but how long he lasts is another matter. Di Matteo is too inexperienced and was carried by the momentum of well run clubs. I fancy Darren Ferguson who looks an OK guy, or the Bournmouth manager. Brighton will get over this and Gus's departure should be seen as a necessary and beneficial effect on thestability and future of the club pte
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10:35am Sat 18 May 13

Albion In Staffs says...

Gardenboy wrote:
This time last week, our expectations for the Albion were very high, anticipating a trip to Wembley. What a difference a week makes! Our club seems is being ripped apart by the press. I feel very sorry for the squad who must be fearing for the future :-(
not sure you meant it as criticism of the press but, in this instance, they're only reporting what people at the club ave been doing. we're taking a kicking at the moment, but i'm sure it will be remedied in the near future..
[quote][p][bold]Gardenboy[/bold] wrote: This time last week, our expectations for the Albion were very high, anticipating a trip to Wembley. What a difference a week makes! Our club seems is being ripped apart by the press. I feel very sorry for the squad who must be fearing for the future :-([/p][/quote]not sure you meant it as criticism of the press but, in this instance, they're only reporting what people at the club ave been doing. we're taking a kicking at the moment, but i'm sure it will be remedied in the near future.. Albion In Staffs
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10:37am Sat 18 May 13

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

May be the 'poo' Suspect is already suspended. So of thing Charlie might get up to
May be the 'poo' Suspect is already suspended. So of thing Charlie might get up to Tony the tiger eastbourne
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10:37am Sat 18 May 13

SeagullChick says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
SeagullChick wrote:
nkwbtn wrote:
Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum.

We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today.

Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.
Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon?

He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions

Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due.

Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be.

Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance.

Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season?

18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness.

Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won.

And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace?

I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.
I think Gus would respond that he did not have the money to do it his way, I am not sure, that any other manager could or could not achieve what he did with the budget he had, he wanted out, he has gone the wrong way about it, whether he was right for us at the time, we will never know.
The club must move on as quickly as possible, let the dust settle and then sit down with Gus and try to work out an exit which is best for both parties.
I dont think his budget was that meagre at all

Most incoming players came for "undisclosed" fees and collectively they must have cost a tidy sum and I cant see too many rivals having spent more than us. In any event money alone is not the answer..you need quality at value prices because this is The Championship and not Premiership and gving a huge salary to o e player will make others envious causing salaries to spiral out of control

And from sources I have inside the club the players that came in were chosen jointly by Poyet and the board.

He wanted a striker or defender he got one but if he thinks the board should fork out Premiership prices and wages for a Championship player he is delusional

The managers job is one of handling the players and getting the most out of them. He also has to work within a budget. Regardless of the size of that budget it looks clear to me this squad could still have easily made an automatic promotion spot or at leastmade the playoff final but it did not

Ask yourself this was the squad good enough to get promoted? I believe it was and the manager must assume some of the responsibility for them failing to do so and the few extra points needed could have come from a couple of matches in th seaon

We bought well and wisely and if our budget is 10 million but we get a Rooney and Van Persie for that then the budget is irrelevant because we still cant afford thir wages

You get the best you can with the money available otherwise you go broke and enter administration and get relegated and deducted points for financial failure

You cannot spend what you havent got and I see absolutely zero evidence that the Brighton board and chairman have shortchanged Poyet when it came to signings of players

They also want the Premiership but for the club whilst Poyet wants the Premiership for himself with or without the club and ht is a VERY significant difference
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nkwbtn[/bold] wrote: Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum. We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today. Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.[/p][/quote]Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon? He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due. Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be. Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance. Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season? 18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness. Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won. And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace? I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.[/p][/quote]I think Gus would respond that he did not have the money to do it his way, I am not sure, that any other manager could or could not achieve what he did with the budget he had, he wanted out, he has gone the wrong way about it, whether he was right for us at the time, we will never know. The club must move on as quickly as possible, let the dust settle and then sit down with Gus and try to work out an exit which is best for both parties.[/p][/quote]I dont think his budget was that meagre at all Most incoming players came for "undisclosed" fees and collectively they must have cost a tidy sum and I cant see too many rivals having spent more than us. In any event money alone is not the answer..you need quality at value prices because this is The Championship and not Premiership and gving a huge salary to o e player will make others envious causing salaries to spiral out of control And from sources I have inside the club the players that came in were chosen jointly by Poyet and the board. He wanted a striker or defender he got one but if he thinks the board should fork out Premiership prices and wages for a Championship player he is delusional The managers job is one of handling the players and getting the most out of them. He also has to work within a budget. Regardless of the size of that budget it looks clear to me this squad could still have easily made an automatic promotion spot or at leastmade the playoff final but it did not Ask yourself this was the squad good enough to get promoted? I believe it was and the manager must assume some of the responsibility for them failing to do so and the few extra points needed could have come from a couple of matches in th seaon We bought well and wisely and if our budget is 10 million but we get a Rooney and Van Persie for that then the budget is irrelevant because we still cant afford thir wages You get the best you can with the money available otherwise you go broke and enter administration and get relegated and deducted points for financial failure You cannot spend what you havent got and I see absolutely zero evidence that the Brighton board and chairman have shortchanged Poyet when it came to signings of players They also want the Premiership but for the club whilst Poyet wants the Premiership for himself with or without the club and ht is a VERY significant difference SeagullChick
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10:37am Sat 18 May 13

Captain Haddock says...

Hmmm. While I can understand Vicente's point of view and he may well be sincere in his interview, the making fun of players element may simply be a culture thing - Gus would have taken this from his Chelsea days, Vicente hasn't lived and played for a club out of Spain.

The 4 month injury thing could be Gus expressing his frustration. Not an excuse though. Sounds out of order to me.

Reneging on a verbal agreement to let Vicente go back to Spain, if true and if Vicente didn't also break a promise to stay is also bad form and not how I'd like to see things conducted here and in the club's name.

Anyway, for the limited moments we have seen you near your brilliant best, we thank you and wish you all the best for the future.
Hmmm. While I can understand Vicente's point of view and he may well be sincere in his interview, the making fun of players element may simply be a culture thing - Gus would have taken this from his Chelsea days, Vicente hasn't lived and played for a club out of Spain. The 4 month injury thing could be Gus expressing his frustration. Not an excuse though. Sounds out of order to me. Reneging on a verbal agreement to let Vicente go back to Spain, if true and if Vicente didn't also break a promise to stay is also bad form and not how I'd like to see things conducted here and in the club's name. Anyway, for the limited moments we have seen you near your brilliant best, we thank you and wish you all the best for the future. Captain Haddock
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10:47am Sat 18 May 13

Captain Haddock says...

rolivan wrote:
Why has it taken 2 reporters to write this article.I feel that something went on with the Argus and the Club around the time of the Reading Job.Why did Gus not email the Argus being a local paper as well as a National?
The Mail published the email. Severely doubt Gus emailed The Mail to them. They no doubt received it from a third party. Perhaps the same third party that leaked news of the suspension to Sky Sports News?
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Why has it taken 2 reporters to write this article.I feel that something went on with the Argus and the Club around the time of the Reading Job.Why did Gus not email the Argus being a local paper as well as a National?[/p][/quote]The Mail published the email. Severely doubt Gus emailed The Mail to them. They no doubt received it from a third party. Perhaps the same third party that leaked news of the suspension to Sky Sports News? Captain Haddock
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10:47am Sat 18 May 13

SeagullChick says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Look none of us can deny that Poyet has done an amazing job taking us from where we were to where we are. But it does sadly seem like now is the right time for a "relatively" amicable separation. The fact is we are now attracting interest from the likes of De Matteo and David Platt to be our next manager, and that is amazing coming from where we were three years ago. Poyet obviously separates opinion within his employees as well as the fans, but that is Poyet, good and bad. It's ridiculous to suggest he has thrown the club into a 'dispicable abyss"?!!!!!

The fact that Barber upset the bandwagon is a little worrying, although of course we don't have a clue what really goes on behind the scenes (apart from people pooing in dressing rooms!). I hope he isn't someone who tends to clash with most managers!
I stand corrected...Poyet has not thrown the club into a 'dispicable abyss'

It is a CESSPIT of FAECAL matter most of which has stuck to him but for his convenience has smeared some on the good name of the club and board causing immense disruption which will take us some time to recover from.

All will be revealed in the fullness of time but unquestionably Poyet has seriously hindered BHA's immediate future development by causing turmoil and disruption with his outbursts and (non) actions
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Look none of us can deny that Poyet has done an amazing job taking us from where we were to where we are. But it does sadly seem like now is the right time for a "relatively" amicable separation. The fact is we are now attracting interest from the likes of De Matteo and David Platt to be our next manager, and that is amazing coming from where we were three years ago. Poyet obviously separates opinion within his employees as well as the fans, but that is Poyet, good and bad. It's ridiculous to suggest he has thrown the club into a 'dispicable abyss"?!!!!! The fact that Barber upset the bandwagon is a little worrying, although of course we don't have a clue what really goes on behind the scenes (apart from people pooing in dressing rooms!). I hope he isn't someone who tends to clash with most managers![/p][/quote]I stand corrected...Poyet has not thrown the club into a 'dispicable abyss' It is a CESSPIT of FAECAL matter most of which has stuck to him but for his convenience has smeared some on the good name of the club and board causing immense disruption which will take us some time to recover from. All will be revealed in the fullness of time but unquestionably Poyet has seriously hindered BHA's immediate future development by causing turmoil and disruption with his outbursts and (non) actions SeagullChick
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10:49am Sat 18 May 13

mikeygit says...

Oh Dear Oh Dear---so many many issues here
1 Gus's tantrums and the Reading saga.
2 Gus's refusal to deal with the out contract players.
3 Monday nights 'poogate'
4 Vicentes outburst.
5 The way--alledgedly --Gus dealt with players.
very very sad
It is now evident that Gus's demise has little to do with Monday night and the dressing room incident. Who knows who did it--maybe we will never know as for sure I guess a 'so called fan' did it--but security was sadly lacking.
If we had won on Monday, to many, Gus would have been the best thing since sliced bread---one very important game lost and we are where we are. But in life things like this smack you in the face and now you have two choices--lie down and accept it and wallow in your sorrow or dust yourself down and get on with it. I know which one I can rely on Tony Bloom doing and I am sure soon this will be a sad point in Albions history---yesterday is history tomorrow is a mystery. UTA and The Board--get behind everyone PLEASE!!!!
Oh Dear Oh Dear---so many many issues here 1 Gus's tantrums and the Reading saga. 2 Gus's refusal to deal with the out contract players. 3 Monday nights 'poogate' 4 Vicentes outburst. 5 The way--alledgedly --Gus dealt with players. very very sad It is now evident that Gus's demise has little to do with Monday night and the dressing room incident. Who knows who did it--maybe we will never know as for sure I guess a 'so called fan' did it--but security was sadly lacking. If we had won on Monday, to many, Gus would have been the best thing since sliced bread---one very important game lost and we are where we are. But in life things like this smack you in the face and now you have two choices--lie down and accept it and wallow in your sorrow or dust yourself down and get on with it. I know which one I can rely on Tony Bloom doing and I am sure soon this will be a sad point in Albions history---yesterday is history tomorrow is a mystery. UTA and The Board--get behind everyone PLEASE!!!! mikeygit
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10:56am Sat 18 May 13

SeagullChick says...

Lest any of us forget....BHA are where they are today because of the players and coaching and managerial staff as well as the groundsman and board and supporters etc etc etc

Poyet was definitely a part of that development and success and progress but I would argue it is not as great a contribution as some others here seem to believe and that it was at most no more than 15% down to him
Lest any of us forget....BHA are where they are today because of the players and coaching and managerial staff as well as the groundsman and board and supporters etc etc etc Poyet was definitely a part of that development and success and progress but I would argue it is not as great a contribution as some others here seem to believe and that it was at most no more than 15% down to him SeagullChick
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10:58am Sat 18 May 13

SMF20 says...

How terribly sad to see a player with Vicente's ability and stature capping off what has been the worst week in our great clubs history with a disappointing assessment of our soon to be departed manager.

As well as Gus has done for us in the past 3.5 years, I think it's fair to say that he has riled some people up and disrespected his position, the management team and most importantly us in the process.

I'm so very sad genuinely that it has come to this and weirdly I'm still going to be hurt when all is rubber stamped and Gus is gone.
I struggle to see the worst in people but that doesn't mean I'm a door mat for anyone either.
Gus Poyets time with us is now finished for me. I've lost all respect for the man and there is no way back from this.

I wish both GP and Vicente a bright and happy future and hope they continue to have successful careers.
They both could have been legends and cult Brighton figures in our history.
Sadly they both blew it.

Mr Bloom, please this week from hell to bed TODAY and lets start next week with a clean slate and some positivity.

Uta
How terribly sad to see a player with Vicente's ability and stature capping off what has been the worst week in our great clubs history with a disappointing assessment of our soon to be departed manager. As well as Gus has done for us in the past 3.5 years, I think it's fair to say that he has riled some people up and disrespected his position, the management team and most importantly us in the process. I'm so very sad genuinely that it has come to this and weirdly I'm still going to be hurt when all is rubber stamped and Gus is gone. I struggle to see the worst in people but that doesn't mean I'm a door mat for anyone either. Gus Poyets time with us is now finished for me. I've lost all respect for the man and there is no way back from this. I wish both GP and Vicente a bright and happy future and hope they continue to have successful careers. They both could have been legends and cult Brighton figures in our history. Sadly they both blew it. Mr Bloom, please this week from hell to bed TODAY and lets start next week with a clean slate and some positivity. Uta SMF20
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11:01am Sat 18 May 13

Captain Haddock says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Why has it taken 2 reporters to write this article.I feel that something went on with the Argus and the Club around the time of the Reading Job.Why did Gus not email the Argus being a local paper as well as a National?
The Mail published the email. Severely doubt Gus emailed The Mail to them. They no doubt received it from a third party. Perhaps the same third party that leaked news of the suspension to Sky Sports News?
Of course I meant emailed The Mail directly.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Why has it taken 2 reporters to write this article.I feel that something went on with the Argus and the Club around the time of the Reading Job.Why did Gus not email the Argus being a local paper as well as a National?[/p][/quote]The Mail published the email. Severely doubt Gus emailed The Mail to them. They no doubt received it from a third party. Perhaps the same third party that leaked news of the suspension to Sky Sports News?[/p][/quote]Of course I meant emailed The Mail directly. Captain Haddock
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11:09am Sat 18 May 13

SeagullChick says...

SMF20 wrote:
How terribly sad to see a player with Vicente's ability and stature capping off what has been the worst week in our great clubs history with a disappointing assessment of our soon to be departed manager.

As well as Gus has done for us in the past 3.5 years, I think it's fair to say that he has riled some people up and disrespected his position, the management team and most importantly us in the process.

I'm so very sad genuinely that it has come to this and weirdly I'm still going to be hurt when all is rubber stamped and Gus is gone.
I struggle to see the worst in people but that doesn't mean I'm a door mat for anyone either.
Gus Poyets time with us is now finished for me. I've lost all respect for the man and there is no way back from this.

I wish both GP and Vicente a bright and happy future and hope they continue to have successful careers.
They both could have been legends and cult Brighton figures in our history.
Sadly they both blew it.

Mr Bloom, please this week from hell to bed TODAY and lets start next week with a clean slate and some positivity.

Uta
I have little doubt Tony Bloom will find a better manager for the club and get us into The Premiership within 3 years and that once there he will give us every chance of staying there

He is a smart cookie and one of the most knowledeable chairman in the entire league when it comes to soccer matters not to mention a very astute businessman.

Oh and BTW he has ALWAYS been a Brighton supporter and how many clubs can boast of a better chairman?

Tony Bloom will resolve this crisis and BHA will come out of it better and stronger for it
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: How terribly sad to see a player with Vicente's ability and stature capping off what has been the worst week in our great clubs history with a disappointing assessment of our soon to be departed manager. As well as Gus has done for us in the past 3.5 years, I think it's fair to say that he has riled some people up and disrespected his position, the management team and most importantly us in the process. I'm so very sad genuinely that it has come to this and weirdly I'm still going to be hurt when all is rubber stamped and Gus is gone. I struggle to see the worst in people but that doesn't mean I'm a door mat for anyone either. Gus Poyets time with us is now finished for me. I've lost all respect for the man and there is no way back from this. I wish both GP and Vicente a bright and happy future and hope they continue to have successful careers. They both could have been legends and cult Brighton figures in our history. Sadly they both blew it. Mr Bloom, please this week from hell to bed TODAY and lets start next week with a clean slate and some positivity. Uta[/p][/quote]I have little doubt Tony Bloom will find a better manager for the club and get us into The Premiership within 3 years and that once there he will give us every chance of staying there He is a smart cookie and one of the most knowledeable chairman in the entire league when it comes to soccer matters not to mention a very astute businessman. Oh and BTW he has ALWAYS been a Brighton supporter and how many clubs can boast of a better chairman? Tony Bloom will resolve this crisis and BHA will come out of it better and stronger for it SeagullChick
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11:11am Sat 18 May 13

Captain Haddock says...

This poo thing....is it really genuine?

The Mail almost always publish s**t, so a story ABOUT s**t fits them equally well.

It's been running in NSC and the Palace boards apparently but I haven't seen anything official. I'd rather wear a Palace top and dance to Glad All Over than buy a copy of The Mail (worthless, petty, bigoted, scaremongering pile of filth that it is) but does anyone know if the publication of this email has been authenticated?
This poo thing....is it really genuine? The Mail almost always publish s**t, so a story ABOUT s**t fits them equally well. It's been running in NSC and the Palace boards apparently but I haven't seen anything official. I'd rather wear a Palace top and dance to Glad All Over than buy a copy of The Mail (worthless, petty, bigoted, scaremongering pile of filth that it is) but does anyone know if the publication of this email has been authenticated? Captain Haddock
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11:11am Sat 18 May 13

mr punch says...

Maybe it was Gus that curled one off in the dressing room? After all, he does appear to be behaving a tad childish all of a sudden? Maybe he sent the email to cover his skid marks? Maybe it was Vincente? I wonder if they will do a DNA on the secret package? Some of this poo story is mildly amusing, some of it really sad, but all of it is cr@p!
Maybe it was Gus that curled one off in the dressing room? After all, he does appear to be behaving a tad childish all of a sudden? Maybe he sent the email to cover his skid marks? Maybe it was Vincente? I wonder if they will do a DNA on the secret package? Some of this poo story is mildly amusing, some of it really sad, but all of it is cr@p! mr punch
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11:15am Sat 18 May 13

hannover seagull says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
I'm surprised that anybody's surprised at Poyet's behaviour. Remember when we played Nowich at home in Poyet's first season - we lost and some fan's slow handclapped the dilatory performance. Poyet threatened to quit after the game - 'I can get fed up too'. The writing was already on the wall - though to suggest this was the case at the time was to invite excrement to be tipped upon one's head by 'Poyetistas'. Ironically the same people cannot pour enough of said substance on their one time hero now.
Thw writings certainly on the wall at the Amex
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised that anybody's surprised at Poyet's behaviour. Remember when we played Nowich at home in Poyet's first season - we lost and some fan's slow handclapped the dilatory performance. Poyet threatened to quit after the game - 'I can get fed up too'. The writing was already on the wall - though to suggest this was the case at the time was to invite excrement to be tipped upon one's head by 'Poyetistas'. Ironically the same people cannot pour enough of said substance on their one time hero now.[/p][/quote]Thw writings certainly on the wall at the Amex hannover seagull
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11:18am Sat 18 May 13

Major Bloodboil says...

Claude Back wrote:
Re 'Poogate':
Isn't it possible that someone not BAHAFC staff infiltrated the 'security' and did the deed?
Gus seems to think it was an inside jobbie but maybe a 'fan' broke in? Seems more the action of a Palace hating cretin than staff to me.
As for Vicente, I think we should hear the defence after hearing the prosecution? Maybe Gus will tell us his version one day...probably not though.
I think that Gus was just going through the motions!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Re 'Poogate': Isn't it possible that someone not BAHAFC staff infiltrated the 'security' and did the deed? Gus seems to think it was an inside jobbie but maybe a 'fan' broke in? Seems more the action of a Palace hating cretin than staff to me. As for Vicente, I think we should hear the defence after hearing the prosecution? Maybe Gus will tell us his version one day...probably not though.[/p][/quote]I think that Gus was just going through the motions! Major Bloodboil
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11:23am Sat 18 May 13

Chi Gull says...

Put yourself in Gus's position. You have worked hard all season to get the club one game away from a Wembley play off final. You have tried to play down the local derby aspect and relax the players. Some idiot then completely fires up the opposition by making a mess of their dressing room. I am not surprised he went ballistic.
Put yourself in Gus's position. You have worked hard all season to get the club one game away from a Wembley play off final. You have tried to play down the local derby aspect and relax the players. Some idiot then completely fires up the opposition by making a mess of their dressing room. I am not surprised he went ballistic. Chi Gull
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11:28am Sat 18 May 13

mr punch says...

Hmmmm, there is also the possibility that one of Palace players/staff was feeling a bit nervous just before the game and didn't quite make it to the throne and was too embarrassed to admit it? There are a number of explanations and we will probably never know the truth.
Hmmmm, there is also the possibility that one of Palace players/staff was feeling a bit nervous just before the game and didn't quite make it to the throne and was too embarrassed to admit it? There are a number of explanations and we will probably never know the truth. mr punch
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11:33am Sat 18 May 13

sussexram40 says...

I hope there's a detailed log of the incident so a full investigation can be put in motion very quickly. If the culprit is found the club needs to dump him straight away.
I hope there's a detailed log of the incident so a full investigation can be put in motion very quickly. If the culprit is found the club needs to dump him straight away. sussexram40
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11:40am Sat 18 May 13

mr punch says...

sussexram40 wrote:
I hope there's a detailed log of the incident so a full investigation can be put in motion very quickly. If the culprit is found the club needs to dump him straight away.
Excellent! We don't want this one slipping away quietly now do we? It's enough to drive you round the bend!
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: I hope there's a detailed log of the incident so a full investigation can be put in motion very quickly. If the culprit is found the club needs to dump him straight away.[/p][/quote]Excellent! We don't want this one slipping away quietly now do we? It's enough to drive you round the bend! mr punch
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11:50am Sat 18 May 13

SiWilki says...

At least there's a good chance our players won't be following Gus to where ever he ends up.
At least there's a good chance our players won't be following Gus to where ever he ends up. SiWilki
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12:03pm Sat 18 May 13

Claude Back says...

SeagullChick wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Look none of us can deny that Poyet has done an amazing job taking us from where we were to where we are. But it does sadly seem like now is the right time for a "relatively" amicable separation. The fact is we are now attracting interest from the likes of De Matteo and David Platt to be our next manager, and that is amazing coming from where we were three years ago. Poyet obviously separates opinion within his employees as well as the fans, but that is Poyet, good and bad. It's ridiculous to suggest he has thrown the club into a 'dispicable abyss"?!!!!!

The fact that Barber upset the bandwagon is a little worrying, although of course we don't have a clue what really goes on behind the scenes (apart from people pooing in dressing rooms!). I hope he isn't someone who tends to clash with most managers!
I stand corrected...Poyet has not thrown the club into a 'dispicable abyss'

It is a CESSPIT of FAECAL matter most of which has stuck to him but for his convenience has smeared some on the good name of the club and board causing immense disruption which will take us some time to recover from.

All will be revealed in the fullness of time but unquestionably Poyet has seriously hindered BHA's immediate future development by causing turmoil and disruption with his outbursts and (non) actions
Do I detect a slight undercurrent of annoyance with Gus?
[quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Look none of us can deny that Poyet has done an amazing job taking us from where we were to where we are. But it does sadly seem like now is the right time for a "relatively" amicable separation. The fact is we are now attracting interest from the likes of De Matteo and David Platt to be our next manager, and that is amazing coming from where we were three years ago. Poyet obviously separates opinion within his employees as well as the fans, but that is Poyet, good and bad. It's ridiculous to suggest he has thrown the club into a 'dispicable abyss"?!!!!! The fact that Barber upset the bandwagon is a little worrying, although of course we don't have a clue what really goes on behind the scenes (apart from people pooing in dressing rooms!). I hope he isn't someone who tends to clash with most managers![/p][/quote]I stand corrected...Poyet has not thrown the club into a 'dispicable abyss' It is a CESSPIT of FAECAL matter most of which has stuck to him but for his convenience has smeared some on the good name of the club and board causing immense disruption which will take us some time to recover from. All will be revealed in the fullness of time but unquestionably Poyet has seriously hindered BHA's immediate future development by causing turmoil and disruption with his outbursts and (non) actions[/p][/quote]Do I detect a slight undercurrent of annoyance with Gus? Claude Back
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12:08pm Sat 18 May 13

fairweathersupporter says...

SeagullChick wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
SeagullChick wrote:
nkwbtn wrote:
Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum.

We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today.

Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.
Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon?

He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions

Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due.

Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be.

Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance.

Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season?

18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness.

Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won.

And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace?

I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.
I think Gus would respond that he did not have the money to do it his way, I am not sure, that any other manager could or could not achieve what he did with the budget he had, he wanted out, he has gone the wrong way about it, whether he was right for us at the time, we will never know.
The club must move on as quickly as possible, let the dust settle and then sit down with Gus and try to work out an exit which is best for both parties.
I dont think his budget was that meagre at all

Most incoming players came for "undisclosed" fees and collectively they must have cost a tidy sum and I cant see too many rivals having spent more than us. In any event money alone is not the answer..you need quality at value prices because this is The Championship and not Premiership and gving a huge salary to o e player will make others envious causing salaries to spiral out of control

And from sources I have inside the club the players that came in were chosen jointly by Poyet and the board.

He wanted a striker or defender he got one but if he thinks the board should fork out Premiership prices and wages for a Championship player he is delusional

The managers job is one of handling the players and getting the most out of them. He also has to work within a budget. Regardless of the size of that budget it looks clear to me this squad could still have easily made an automatic promotion spot or at leastmade the playoff final but it did not

Ask yourself this was the squad good enough to get promoted? I believe it was and the manager must assume some of the responsibility for them failing to do so and the few extra points needed could have come from a couple of matches in th seaon

We bought well and wisely and if our budget is 10 million but we get a Rooney and Van Persie for that then the budget is irrelevant because we still cant afford thir wages

You get the best you can with the money available otherwise you go broke and enter administration and get relegated and deducted points for financial failure

You cannot spend what you havent got and I see absolutely zero evidence that the Brighton board and chairman have shortchanged Poyet when it came to signings of players

They also want the Premiership but for the club whilst Poyet wants the Premiership for himself with or without the club and ht is a VERY significant difference
Gus's tactics and style of play overall have arguably gained more points than dropped. The goals against tally, which is the platform for this season, is built on that packed and cautious midfield.The inability of the strikers to convert chances earlier in the season and a bit of bad luck also took their toll. This season we have performed well. If you use the relative budget argument; we have over performed. The players have been of a higher quality but not of the quality to always do what was asked of them. Yes it could be argued that a good manager may play to his weaknesses but I firmly believe that Gus played to his strengths; if not always ours...
The tactics may have been questionable sometimes but it appeared to be working in the grand scheme of things and people largely accepted this. The much debated 'plan B' has been forgotten, as we have pushed on since Christmas.
Last season we overachieved. We were very lucky on several occasions (as we were unlucky this season) and looked rather suspect at times.
As for Gus, none of this is particularly new news. He hasn't suddenly ripped off the mask to reveal a monster beneath. These latest selfish outbursts and inability to bypass his ego in the interests of the club and his own professional reputation have been evident in the past. They were defended on the basis that he had taken a club which was playing hit and hope, thump it up the field, law of averages football and given us ‘Brand Gus’. We stormed the title playing a style of football that was increasingly lauded. We held our own comfortably last season and had a good go at it this.
I DO NOT defend his current situation, or suggest that we cannot cope without him. He appears to have made his position untenable and stepped over the line where he thinks he is bigger than the club. But he has been responsible for getting us where we are now. The greater rise of the Seagull from the ashes, leading to our fine ground etc is an on-going project that is wider than this BUT it is intrinsically linked; make no mistake. The extra twenty thousand fans we suddenly have would start to melt away if were playing like we were when Gus arrived. The club needs to be successful on the pitch; Gus has been successful on the pitch. No ifs, no buts. It is a shame that his legacy will be tarnished in more ways than one.
What really annoys me is people who were perfectly happy this time last week (okay perhaps with reservations about plan B's, two up front, more attacking line ups but we all have our own ideas and for some on here that changes like the wind dependant on the previous result), making out that he is the route of all evil or that he has somehow sabotaged our entire season. It was a good season. With the emphasis on WAS.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nkwbtn[/bold] wrote: Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum. We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today. Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.[/p][/quote]Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon? He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due. Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be. Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance. Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season? 18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness. Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won. And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace? I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.[/p][/quote]I think Gus would respond that he did not have the money to do it his way, I am not sure, that any other manager could or could not achieve what he did with the budget he had, he wanted out, he has gone the wrong way about it, whether he was right for us at the time, we will never know. The club must move on as quickly as possible, let the dust settle and then sit down with Gus and try to work out an exit which is best for both parties.[/p][/quote]I dont think his budget was that meagre at all Most incoming players came for "undisclosed" fees and collectively they must have cost a tidy sum and I cant see too many rivals having spent more than us. In any event money alone is not the answer..you need quality at value prices because this is The Championship and not Premiership and gving a huge salary to o e player will make others envious causing salaries to spiral out of control And from sources I have inside the club the players that came in were chosen jointly by Poyet and the board. He wanted a striker or defender he got one but if he thinks the board should fork out Premiership prices and wages for a Championship player he is delusional The managers job is one of handling the players and getting the most out of them. He also has to work within a budget. Regardless of the size of that budget it looks clear to me this squad could still have easily made an automatic promotion spot or at leastmade the playoff final but it did not Ask yourself this was the squad good enough to get promoted? I believe it was and the manager must assume some of the responsibility for them failing to do so and the few extra points needed could have come from a couple of matches in th seaon We bought well and wisely and if our budget is 10 million but we get a Rooney and Van Persie for that then the budget is irrelevant because we still cant afford thir wages You get the best you can with the money available otherwise you go broke and enter administration and get relegated and deducted points for financial failure You cannot spend what you havent got and I see absolutely zero evidence that the Brighton board and chairman have shortchanged Poyet when it came to signings of players They also want the Premiership but for the club whilst Poyet wants the Premiership for himself with or without the club and ht is a VERY significant difference[/p][/quote]Gus's tactics and style of play overall have arguably gained more points than dropped. The goals against tally, which is the platform for this season, is built on that packed and cautious midfield.The inability of the strikers to convert chances earlier in the season and a bit of bad luck also took their toll. This season we have performed well. If you use the relative budget argument; we have over performed. The players have been of a higher quality but not of the quality to always do what was asked of them. Yes it could be argued that a good manager may play to his weaknesses but I firmly believe that Gus played to his strengths; if not always ours... The tactics may have been questionable sometimes but it appeared to be working in the grand scheme of things and people largely accepted this. The much debated 'plan B' has been forgotten, as we have pushed on since Christmas. Last season we overachieved. We were very lucky on several occasions (as we were unlucky this season) and looked rather suspect at times. As for Gus, none of this is particularly new news. He hasn't suddenly ripped off the mask to reveal a monster beneath. These latest selfish outbursts and inability to bypass his ego in the interests of the club and his own professional reputation have been evident in the past. They were defended on the basis that he had taken a club which was playing hit and hope, thump it up the field, law of averages football and given us ‘Brand Gus’. We stormed the title playing a style of football that was increasingly lauded. We held our own comfortably last season and had a good go at it this. I DO NOT defend his current situation, or suggest that we cannot cope without him. He appears to have made his position untenable and stepped over the line where he thinks he is bigger than the club. But he has been responsible for getting us where we are now. The greater rise of the Seagull from the ashes, leading to our fine ground etc is an on-going project that is wider than this BUT it is intrinsically linked; make no mistake. The extra twenty thousand fans we suddenly have would start to melt away if were playing like we were when Gus arrived. The club needs to be successful on the pitch; Gus has been successful on the pitch. No ifs, no buts. It is a shame that his legacy will be tarnished in more ways than one. What really annoys me is people who were perfectly happy this time last week (okay perhaps with reservations about plan B's, two up front, more attacking line ups but we all have our own ideas and for some on here that changes like the wind dependant on the previous result), making out that he is the route of all evil or that he has somehow sabotaged our entire season. It was a good season. With the emphasis on WAS. fairweathersupporter
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12:13pm Sat 18 May 13

Claude Back says...

Major Bloodboil wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Re 'Poogate':
Isn't it possible that someone not BAHAFC staff infiltrated the 'security' and did the deed?
Gus seems to think it was an inside jobbie but maybe a 'fan' broke in? Seems more the action of a Palace hating cretin than staff to me.
As for Vicente, I think we should hear the defence after hearing the prosecution? Maybe Gus will tell us his version one day...probably not though.
I think that Gus was just going through the motions!
Excellent, Major.
So it was an inside jobbie?
Doubt it was him or his number two though.
[quote][p][bold]Major Bloodboil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Re 'Poogate': Isn't it possible that someone not BAHAFC staff infiltrated the 'security' and did the deed? Gus seems to think it was an inside jobbie but maybe a 'fan' broke in? Seems more the action of a Palace hating cretin than staff to me. As for Vicente, I think we should hear the defence after hearing the prosecution? Maybe Gus will tell us his version one day...probably not though.[/p][/quote]I think that Gus was just going through the motions![/p][/quote]Excellent, Major. So it was an inside jobbie? Doubt it was him or his number two though. Claude Back
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12:29pm Sat 18 May 13

Claude Back says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
SeagullChick wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
SeagullChick wrote:
nkwbtn wrote:
Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum.

We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today.

Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.
Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon?

He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions

Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due.

Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be.

Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance.

Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season?

18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness.

Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won.

And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace?

I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.
I think Gus would respond that he did not have the money to do it his way, I am not sure, that any other manager could or could not achieve what he did with the budget he had, he wanted out, he has gone the wrong way about it, whether he was right for us at the time, we will never know.
The club must move on as quickly as possible, let the dust settle and then sit down with Gus and try to work out an exit which is best for both parties.
I dont think his budget was that meagre at all

Most incoming players came for "undisclosed" fees and collectively they must have cost a tidy sum and I cant see too many rivals having spent more than us. In any event money alone is not the answer..you need quality at value prices because this is The Championship and not Premiership and gving a huge salary to o e player will make others envious causing salaries to spiral out of control

And from sources I have inside the club the players that came in were chosen jointly by Poyet and the board.

He wanted a striker or defender he got one but if he thinks the board should fork out Premiership prices and wages for a Championship player he is delusional

The managers job is one of handling the players and getting the most out of them. He also has to work within a budget. Regardless of the size of that budget it looks clear to me this squad could still have easily made an automatic promotion spot or at leastmade the playoff final but it did not

Ask yourself this was the squad good enough to get promoted? I believe it was and the manager must assume some of the responsibility for them failing to do so and the few extra points needed could have come from a couple of matches in th seaon

We bought well and wisely and if our budget is 10 million but we get a Rooney and Van Persie for that then the budget is irrelevant because we still cant afford thir wages

You get the best you can with the money available otherwise you go broke and enter administration and get relegated and deducted points for financial failure

You cannot spend what you havent got and I see absolutely zero evidence that the Brighton board and chairman have shortchanged Poyet when it came to signings of players

They also want the Premiership but for the club whilst Poyet wants the Premiership for himself with or without the club and ht is a VERY significant difference
Gus's tactics and style of play overall have arguably gained more points than dropped. The goals against tally, which is the platform for this season, is built on that packed and cautious midfield.The inability of the strikers to convert chances earlier in the season and a bit of bad luck also took their toll. This season we have performed well. If you use the relative budget argument; we have over performed. The players have been of a higher quality but not of the quality to always do what was asked of them. Yes it could be argued that a good manager may play to his weaknesses but I firmly believe that Gus played to his strengths; if not always ours...
The tactics may have been questionable sometimes but it appeared to be working in the grand scheme of things and people largely accepted this. The much debated 'plan B' has been forgotten, as we have pushed on since Christmas.
Last season we overachieved. We were very lucky on several occasions (as we were unlucky this season) and looked rather suspect at times.
As for Gus, none of this is particularly new news. He hasn't suddenly ripped off the mask to reveal a monster beneath. These latest selfish outbursts and inability to bypass his ego in the interests of the club and his own professional reputation have been evident in the past. They were defended on the basis that he had taken a club which was playing hit and hope, thump it up the field, law of averages football and given us ‘Brand Gus’. We stormed the title playing a style of football that was increasingly lauded. We held our own comfortably last season and had a good go at it this.
I DO NOT defend his current situation, or suggest that we cannot cope without him. He appears to have made his position untenable and stepped over the line where he thinks he is bigger than the club. But he has been responsible for getting us where we are now. The greater rise of the Seagull from the ashes, leading to our fine ground etc is an on-going project that is wider than this BUT it is intrinsically linked; make no mistake. The extra twenty thousand fans we suddenly have would start to melt away if were playing like we were when Gus arrived. The club needs to be successful on the pitch; Gus has been successful on the pitch. No ifs, no buts. It is a shame that his legacy will be tarnished in more ways than one.
What really annoys me is people who were perfectly happy this time last week (okay perhaps with reservations about plan B's, two up front, more attacking line ups but we all have our own ideas and for some on here that changes like the wind dependant on the previous result), making out that he is the route of all evil or that he has somehow sabotaged our entire season. It was a good season. With the emphasis on WAS.
That is an excellent, if somewhat long for scrolling purposes, examination in my opinion. Very many good points but of course be prepared for others to flame you when they disagree.
I am guilty of criticizing Gus' tactics and team selection on occasions but until we actually know the facts (not web site speculation) as to why he was suspended I am reserving judgement.
There is something of the 'lynch mob' mentality on here at the moment and 'Hey, let's not let a fact stand in the way of our self-righteous indignation' attitude.
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nkwbtn[/bold] wrote: Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum. We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today. Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.[/p][/quote]Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon? He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due. Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be. Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance. Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season? 18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness. Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won. And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace? I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.[/p][/quote]I think Gus would respond that he did not have the money to do it his way, I am not sure, that any other manager could or could not achieve what he did with the budget he had, he wanted out, he has gone the wrong way about it, whether he was right for us at the time, we will never know. The club must move on as quickly as possible, let the dust settle and then sit down with Gus and try to work out an exit which is best for both parties.[/p][/quote]I dont think his budget was that meagre at all Most incoming players came for "undisclosed" fees and collectively they must have cost a tidy sum and I cant see too many rivals having spent more than us. In any event money alone is not the answer..you need quality at value prices because this is The Championship and not Premiership and gving a huge salary to o e player will make others envious causing salaries to spiral out of control And from sources I have inside the club the players that came in were chosen jointly by Poyet and the board. He wanted a striker or defender he got one but if he thinks the board should fork out Premiership prices and wages for a Championship player he is delusional The managers job is one of handling the players and getting the most out of them. He also has to work within a budget. Regardless of the size of that budget it looks clear to me this squad could still have easily made an automatic promotion spot or at leastmade the playoff final but it did not Ask yourself this was the squad good enough to get promoted? I believe it was and the manager must assume some of the responsibility for them failing to do so and the few extra points needed could have come from a couple of matches in th seaon We bought well and wisely and if our budget is 10 million but we get a Rooney and Van Persie for that then the budget is irrelevant because we still cant afford thir wages You get the best you can with the money available otherwise you go broke and enter administration and get relegated and deducted points for financial failure You cannot spend what you havent got and I see absolutely zero evidence that the Brighton board and chairman have shortchanged Poyet when it came to signings of players They also want the Premiership but for the club whilst Poyet wants the Premiership for himself with or without the club and ht is a VERY significant difference[/p][/quote]Gus's tactics and style of play overall have arguably gained more points than dropped. The goals against tally, which is the platform for this season, is built on that packed and cautious midfield.The inability of the strikers to convert chances earlier in the season and a bit of bad luck also took their toll. This season we have performed well. If you use the relative budget argument; we have over performed. The players have been of a higher quality but not of the quality to always do what was asked of them. Yes it could be argued that a good manager may play to his weaknesses but I firmly believe that Gus played to his strengths; if not always ours... The tactics may have been questionable sometimes but it appeared to be working in the grand scheme of things and people largely accepted this. The much debated 'plan B' has been forgotten, as we have pushed on since Christmas. Last season we overachieved. We were very lucky on several occasions (as we were unlucky this season) and looked rather suspect at times. As for Gus, none of this is particularly new news. He hasn't suddenly ripped off the mask to reveal a monster beneath. These latest selfish outbursts and inability to bypass his ego in the interests of the club and his own professional reputation have been evident in the past. They were defended on the basis that he had taken a club which was playing hit and hope, thump it up the field, law of averages football and given us ‘Brand Gus’. We stormed the title playing a style of football that was increasingly lauded. We held our own comfortably last season and had a good go at it this. I DO NOT defend his current situation, or suggest that we cannot cope without him. He appears to have made his position untenable and stepped over the line where he thinks he is bigger than the club. But he has been responsible for getting us where we are now. The greater rise of the Seagull from the ashes, leading to our fine ground etc is an on-going project that is wider than this BUT it is intrinsically linked; make no mistake. The extra twenty thousand fans we suddenly have would start to melt away if were playing like we were when Gus arrived. The club needs to be successful on the pitch; Gus has been successful on the pitch. No ifs, no buts. It is a shame that his legacy will be tarnished in more ways than one. What really annoys me is people who were perfectly happy this time last week (okay perhaps with reservations about plan B's, two up front, more attacking line ups but we all have our own ideas and for some on here that changes like the wind dependant on the previous result), making out that he is the route of all evil or that he has somehow sabotaged our entire season. It was a good season. With the emphasis on WAS.[/p][/quote]That is an excellent, if somewhat long for scrolling purposes, examination in my opinion. Very many good points but of course be prepared for others to flame you when they disagree. I am guilty of criticizing Gus' tactics and team selection on occasions but until we actually know the facts (not web site speculation) as to why he was suspended I am reserving judgement. There is something of the 'lynch mob' mentality on here at the moment and 'Hey, let's not let a fact stand in the way of our self-righteous indignation' attitude. Claude Back
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12:30pm Sat 18 May 13

Far gull says...

So many issues now AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH
H.
Sorry had to get that off my chest.
Facts , Gus now history with us. Thanks for the good but you still had much to learn imho ref tactics and man management it would appear.
Move us forward asap Tony as if not next season going to be a let down.
Poo in our own dressing room before a big game whoever did it because if that's the effect it has on a team then pardon the pun it needs to be 'regular' as the doctor might say.
Still upset by the whole weeks events as i know many fans are.
Have to hand freeloader credit alot of what i thought he was banging on about all season was .rap (,ironically) i eat humble pie to you ,mush you said was closer to the truth than i would have believed possible.
So many issues now AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH H. Sorry had to get that off my chest. Facts , Gus now history with us. Thanks for the good but you still had much to learn imho ref tactics and man management it would appear. Move us forward asap Tony as if not next season going to be a let down. Poo in our own dressing room before a big game whoever did it because if that's the effect it has on a team then pardon the pun it needs to be 'regular' as the doctor might say. Still upset by the whole weeks events as i know many fans are. Have to hand freeloader credit alot of what i thought he was banging on about all season was .rap (,ironically) i eat humble pie to you ,mush you said was closer to the truth than i would have believed possible. Far gull
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12:37pm Sat 18 May 13

Baldseagull says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
On a seperate note, I wish Vicente well, certainly the most talented player I have ever seen in an Albion shirt, just a shame we saw so little of him, pity Poyet couldnt "lower himself" to ask him how he was feeling, good man management, not !! there seems to be a pattern developing here. Lets hope TB gets this sorted and quick before the club's name goes even further down the toilet.
I heard an interview last week with Dion Dublin regarding Alex Ferguson.
He said that when he was out injured with a broken leg and was a recent signing and not a major player for them, AF visited him at his home to give him a birthday present and reassure him that he would make it back.
He also mentioned getting the hairdryer treatment but also said that AF never used that on players that maybe could not take it.
This is key to good man management, knowing your players and what they will respond best to, never criticising them in public and making them feel included when they are not in the team.
I don't know if Gus has any of those skills but he is a good coach and has improved most of the footballers that have been under him here, the only quality he needed to add to Vicente though was desire to play for the club and he utterly failed there.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: On a seperate note, I wish Vicente well, certainly the most talented player I have ever seen in an Albion shirt, just a shame we saw so little of him, pity Poyet couldnt "lower himself" to ask him how he was feeling, good man management, not !! there seems to be a pattern developing here. Lets hope TB gets this sorted and quick before the club's name goes even further down the toilet.[/p][/quote]I heard an interview last week with Dion Dublin regarding Alex Ferguson. He said that when he was out injured with a broken leg and was a recent signing and not a major player for them, AF visited him at his home to give him a birthday present and reassure him that he would make it back. He also mentioned getting the hairdryer treatment but also said that AF never used that on players that maybe could not take it. This is key to good man management, knowing your players and what they will respond best to, never criticising them in public and making them feel included when they are not in the team. I don't know if Gus has any of those skills but he is a good coach and has improved most of the footballers that have been under him here, the only quality he needed to add to Vicente though was desire to play for the club and he utterly failed there. Baldseagull
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12:40pm Sat 18 May 13

SeagullChick says...

The lynch mob mentality (me included) is more than understandable when you feel you have been betrayed by one of your own

He has stabbed us all in the back and I wish him nothing but grief and ill will in the future

Good riddance GP and take your poison elsewhere

You will be unemployed and unwanted in football after you fail at a Premiership club next season (assuming one is dumb enough to have you).

Benitez is hated by fans everywhere but obviously has a lot of ability and is respected by many chairman

Poyet is not going to be welcomed by any Premiership supporters because they will not like his antics at BHA and when they see he has less than 5% of Benitez ability how long will they tolerate him?

Lets see who is prepared to take him and keep him when he shows his lack of managerial ability
The lynch mob mentality (me included) is more than understandable when you feel you have been betrayed by one of your own He has stabbed us all in the back and I wish him nothing but grief and ill will in the future Good riddance GP and take your poison elsewhere You will be unemployed and unwanted in football after you fail at a Premiership club next season (assuming one is dumb enough to have you). Benitez is hated by fans everywhere but obviously has a lot of ability and is respected by many chairman Poyet is not going to be welcomed by any Premiership supporters because they will not like his antics at BHA and when they see he has less than 5% of Benitez ability how long will they tolerate him? Lets see who is prepared to take him and keep him when he shows his lack of managerial ability SeagullChick
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12:51pm Sat 18 May 13

Albion In Staffs says...

SeagullChick wrote:
The lynch mob mentality (me included) is more than understandable when you feel you have been betrayed by one of your own

He has stabbed us all in the back and I wish him nothing but grief and ill will in the future

Good riddance GP and take your poison elsewhere

You will be unemployed and unwanted in football after you fail at a Premiership club next season (assuming one is dumb enough to have you).

Benitez is hated by fans everywhere but obviously has a lot of ability and is respected by many chairman

Poyet is not going to be welcomed by any Premiership supporters because they will not like his antics at BHA and when they see he has less than 5% of Benitez ability how long will they tolerate him?

Lets see who is prepared to take him and keep him when he shows his lack of managerial ability
I just think he needs to grow up. He needs to learn the art of subtlety when it comes to manipulating the next stage of his career, rather than publicly going head to head.
He's a decent young manager who has got us playing good quality football but what the 2nd leg showed was when someone counteracts it, he/we don't have a plan 'B'. IMO, that's where he lacks experience and that's why he'd have been better adding to his credentials with us.
A shame that his ego has overshadowed a growing reputation...
[quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: The lynch mob mentality (me included) is more than understandable when you feel you have been betrayed by one of your own He has stabbed us all in the back and I wish him nothing but grief and ill will in the future Good riddance GP and take your poison elsewhere You will be unemployed and unwanted in football after you fail at a Premiership club next season (assuming one is dumb enough to have you). Benitez is hated by fans everywhere but obviously has a lot of ability and is respected by many chairman Poyet is not going to be welcomed by any Premiership supporters because they will not like his antics at BHA and when they see he has less than 5% of Benitez ability how long will they tolerate him? Lets see who is prepared to take him and keep him when he shows his lack of managerial ability[/p][/quote]I just think he needs to grow up. He needs to learn the art of subtlety when it comes to manipulating the next stage of his career, rather than publicly going head to head. He's a decent young manager who has got us playing good quality football but what the 2nd leg showed was when someone counteracts it, he/we don't have a plan 'B'. IMO, that's where he lacks experience and that's why he'd have been better adding to his credentials with us. A shame that his ego has overshadowed a growing reputation... Albion In Staffs
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1:21pm Sat 18 May 13

Major Bloodboil says...

I can't take it any longer - this season has been one long period of frustration!!

How many matches were we on tenterhooks in the second half as we were trying to cling on to a lead or a draw?

How many times did we let a goal in at the last gasp?

How many times did we query Gus' selections and tactics?

How many times did we miss what seemed to be straightforward chances?

How many times were we told that so and so was fit to play and then he did not even make the subs bench?

And then, when we made it to the playoffs we spent three quarters of the two matches hoping against hope that we would muddle through, only for the hope of reaching the final to be cruelly taken away, following a brief flash in time when we thought that Barnes had done enough to score only to see the ball hit the bar and rebound to safety.

If that wasn't bad enough our hopes for a great future are now left dangling in mid air as we wait to see what is going to happen to Gus et al and who his replacement is going to be.

This is just not good for my ticker and yet I find that I am unable stop checking the Argus and NSC hoping to find the answers to all the outstanding questions. I know that it is going to take some time to resolve all these issues, but it's driving me crazy waiting, and my blood is well and truly boiling.

PS: I know deep down it will all turn out right in the end - keep the faith.
I can't take it any longer - this season has been one long period of frustration!! How many matches were we on tenterhooks in the second half as we were trying to cling on to a lead or a draw? How many times did we let a goal in at the last gasp? How many times did we query Gus' selections and tactics? How many times did we miss what seemed to be straightforward chances? How many times were we told that so and so was fit to play and then he did not even make the subs bench? And then, when we made it to the playoffs we spent three quarters of the two matches hoping against hope that we would muddle through, only for the hope of reaching the final to be cruelly taken away, following a brief flash in time when we thought that Barnes had done enough to score only to see the ball hit the bar and rebound to safety. If that wasn't bad enough our hopes for a great future are now left dangling in mid air as we wait to see what is going to happen to Gus et al and who his replacement is going to be. This is just not good for my ticker and yet I find that I am unable stop checking the Argus and NSC hoping to find the answers to all the outstanding questions. I know that it is going to take some time to resolve all these issues, but it's driving me crazy waiting, and my blood is well and truly boiling. PS: I know deep down it will all turn out right in the end - keep the faith. Major Bloodboil
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1:21pm Sat 18 May 13

Hovite says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
SeagullChick wrote:
The lynch mob mentality (me included) is more than understandable when you feel you have been betrayed by one of your own

He has stabbed us all in the back and I wish him nothing but grief and ill will in the future

Good riddance GP and take your poison elsewhere

You will be unemployed and unwanted in football after you fail at a Premiership club next season (assuming one is dumb enough to have you).

Benitez is hated by fans everywhere but obviously has a lot of ability and is respected by many chairman

Poyet is not going to be welcomed by any Premiership supporters because they will not like his antics at BHA and when they see he has less than 5% of Benitez ability how long will they tolerate him?

Lets see who is prepared to take him and keep him when he shows his lack of managerial ability
I just think he needs to grow up. He needs to learn the art of subtlety when it comes to manipulating the next stage of his career, rather than publicly going head to head.
He's a decent young manager who has got us playing good quality football but what the 2nd leg showed was when someone counteracts it, he/we don't have a plan 'B'. IMO, that's where he lacks experience and that's why he'd have been better adding to his credentials with us.
A shame that his ego has overshadowed a growing reputation...
Unfortunately for Gus, for the lynch mob, the dressing room incident will overshadow the 4 points away from auto promotion reality. For all his other failings our final position is the truth, and I have some sympathy for him by the way he was let down by the person who did the prank. He will be blamed for this by closed minded fans and this is all they will remember.

Will everyone turn their backs on the players he brought in, or are we happy with that part of his job?

Dwell on the past, pick fault and be bitter if some want to, but we are left with good squad of players and I am just looking forward and interested to see what the new manager will do, and what players he will attract.

No looking back for me, just forward, and I’m not going to thrive on bitterness.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: The lynch mob mentality (me included) is more than understandable when you feel you have been betrayed by one of your own He has stabbed us all in the back and I wish him nothing but grief and ill will in the future Good riddance GP and take your poison elsewhere You will be unemployed and unwanted in football after you fail at a Premiership club next season (assuming one is dumb enough to have you). Benitez is hated by fans everywhere but obviously has a lot of ability and is respected by many chairman Poyet is not going to be welcomed by any Premiership supporters because they will not like his antics at BHA and when they see he has less than 5% of Benitez ability how long will they tolerate him? Lets see who is prepared to take him and keep him when he shows his lack of managerial ability[/p][/quote]I just think he needs to grow up. He needs to learn the art of subtlety when it comes to manipulating the next stage of his career, rather than publicly going head to head. He's a decent young manager who has got us playing good quality football but what the 2nd leg showed was when someone counteracts it, he/we don't have a plan 'B'. IMO, that's where he lacks experience and that's why he'd have been better adding to his credentials with us. A shame that his ego has overshadowed a growing reputation...[/p][/quote]Unfortunately for Gus, for the lynch mob, the dressing room incident will overshadow the 4 points away from auto promotion reality. For all his other failings our final position is the truth, and I have some sympathy for him by the way he was let down by the person who did the prank. He will be blamed for this by closed minded fans and this is all they will remember. Will everyone turn their backs on the players he brought in, or are we happy with that part of his job? Dwell on the past, pick fault and be bitter if some want to, but we are left with good squad of players and I am just looking forward and interested to see what the new manager will do, and what players he will attract. No looking back for me, just forward, and I’m not going to thrive on bitterness. Hovite
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1:36pm Sat 18 May 13

SeagullChick says...

My biggest gripe is that his (Poyet's) antics have set us back at least three to six months as that is how long (absolute minimum) it will take for a new manager to assess things and decide how he wants to develop the squad and stamp his mark on the team.

In fact i believe all will be well in the end but essentially all this nasty stuff at the end of the season quite frankly leads me to believe we can write off promotion next season.

Its just too much grief to sort out quickly enough to ave a great season next year and I know of no side tht has had great season with o much turmoil going on.

On a side note would you have believed that the top three sides in The Premiership will all have new managers next season?

Makes you question why Poyet would want to give up one of the top jobs in the country outside of maybe 10 teams in the Premiership
My biggest gripe is that his (Poyet's) antics have set us back at least three to six months as that is how long (absolute minimum) it will take for a new manager to assess things and decide how he wants to develop the squad and stamp his mark on the team. In fact i believe all will be well in the end but essentially all this nasty stuff at the end of the season quite frankly leads me to believe we can write off promotion next season. Its just too much grief to sort out quickly enough to ave a great season next year and I know of no side tht has had great season with o much turmoil going on. On a side note would you have believed that the top three sides in The Premiership will all have new managers next season? Makes you question why Poyet would want to give up one of the top jobs in the country outside of maybe 10 teams in the Premiership SeagullChick
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1:53pm Sat 18 May 13

VegasSeagull says...

Lynch mob mentality, that maybe true insome respects.

None of us know the total reason why Gus was suspended but we all trust Bloom. The lynch mob are gathering because we all trust Bloom.
Bloom didn't take this action without good reason, we know that because, we all trust Bloom.

My point is, none of us know anything about it, Bloom does but quite correctly he is not talking. Our total faith in Bloom allows us to, 'know,' that something serious occured and so what ever Bloom is doing or does must be right.

We know that we will get a good manager very soon. We know that he will be a person that will continue all the good work that has been done so far.
We also know that our new manager will accept andbe able to work with what ever budget is handed to him by the board.
How do we know all these things,.......... see if you can finish this sentence.
Lynch mob mentality, that maybe true insome respects. None of us know the total reason why Gus was suspended but we all trust Bloom. The lynch mob are gathering because we all trust Bloom. Bloom didn't take this action without good reason, we know that because, we all trust Bloom. My point is, none of us know anything about it, Bloom does but quite correctly he is not talking. Our total faith in Bloom allows us to, 'know,' that something serious occured and so what ever Bloom is doing or does must be right. We know that we will get a good manager very soon. We know that he will be a person that will continue all the good work that has been done so far. We also know that our new manager will accept andbe able to work with what ever budget is handed to him by the board. How do we know all these things,.......... see if you can finish this sentence. VegasSeagull
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2:19pm Sat 18 May 13

VegasSeagull says...

SeagullChick wrote:
My biggest gripe is that his (Poyet's) antics have set us back at least three to six months as that is how long (absolute minimum) it will take for a new manager to assess things and decide how he wants to develop the squad and stamp his mark on the team. In fact i believe all will be well in the end but essentially all this nasty stuff at the end of the season quite frankly leads me to believe we can write off promotion next season. Its just too much grief to sort out quickly enough to ave a great season next year and I know of no side tht has had great season with o much turmoil going on. On a side note would you have believed that the top three sides in The Premiership will all have new managers next season? Makes you question why Poyet would want to give up one of the top jobs in the country outside of maybe 10 teams in the Premiership
You might be right about next season but to be honest, I think you are jumping the gun a little.

As soon as we know who our next manager is and as soon as we see who his first new signing is, I think only then will we get a pointer to what is to come.

I can't see any new manager coming in and changing the basics of our playing style. I would hope that he adds some muscle in midfield and maybe a more cutting edge to our front line but the basics will remain.

Two are now gone from our famous back five, how our new guy deals with this will also be a sign of intent.

We need to act quickly, of that there is no doubt but I am hopeful for next year, I think we can, and will build on our now past season.

Something I am really looking forward to is seeing just how good Maksi is as I think he will be stepping up to the senior squad next season.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: My biggest gripe is that his (Poyet's) antics have set us back at least three to six months as that is how long (absolute minimum) it will take for a new manager to assess things and decide how he wants to develop the squad and stamp his mark on the team. In fact i believe all will be well in the end but essentially all this nasty stuff at the end of the season quite frankly leads me to believe we can write off promotion next season. Its just too much grief to sort out quickly enough to ave a great season next year and I know of no side tht has had great season with o much turmoil going on. On a side note would you have believed that the top three sides in The Premiership will all have new managers next season? Makes you question why Poyet would want to give up one of the top jobs in the country outside of maybe 10 teams in the Premiership[/p][/quote]You might be right about next season but to be honest, I think you are jumping the gun a little. As soon as we know who our next manager is and as soon as we see who his first new signing is, I think only then will we get a pointer to what is to come. I can't see any new manager coming in and changing the basics of our playing style. I would hope that he adds some muscle in midfield and maybe a more cutting edge to our front line but the basics will remain. Two are now gone from our famous back five, how our new guy deals with this will also be a sign of intent. We need to act quickly, of that there is no doubt but I am hopeful for next year, I think we can, and will build on our now past season. Something I am really looking forward to is seeing just how good Maksi is as I think he will be stepping up to the senior squad next season. VegasSeagull
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2:23pm Sat 18 May 13

Chi Gull says...

SeagullChick wrote:
The lynch mob mentality (me included) is more than understandable when you feel you have been betrayed by one of your own

He has stabbed us all in the back and I wish him nothing but grief and ill will in the future

Good riddance GP and take your poison elsewhere

You will be unemployed and unwanted in football after you fail at a Premiership club next season (assuming one is dumb enough to have you).

Benitez is hated by fans everywhere but obviously has a lot of ability and is respected by many chairman

Poyet is not going to be welcomed by any Premiership supporters because they will not like his antics at BHA and when they see he has less than 5% of Benitez ability how long will they tolerate him?

Lets see who is prepared to take him and keep him when he shows his lack of managerial ability
The one thing you can't accuse Gus of is stabbing us all in the back. He has been quite open and up front about his views, and that's what got him into trouble and suspended. Call him all sorts of other things but don't try and pretend it's all been done behind our backs. We might not agree with him and we might think he has been arrogant and stupid, but I think we all knew where he stood.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: The lynch mob mentality (me included) is more than understandable when you feel you have been betrayed by one of your own He has stabbed us all in the back and I wish him nothing but grief and ill will in the future Good riddance GP and take your poison elsewhere You will be unemployed and unwanted in football after you fail at a Premiership club next season (assuming one is dumb enough to have you). Benitez is hated by fans everywhere but obviously has a lot of ability and is respected by many chairman Poyet is not going to be welcomed by any Premiership supporters because they will not like his antics at BHA and when they see he has less than 5% of Benitez ability how long will they tolerate him? Lets see who is prepared to take him and keep him when he shows his lack of managerial ability[/p][/quote]The one thing you can't accuse Gus of is stabbing us all in the back. He has been quite open and up front about his views, and that's what got him into trouble and suspended. Call him all sorts of other things but don't try and pretend it's all been done behind our backs. We might not agree with him and we might think he has been arrogant and stupid, but I think we all knew where he stood. Chi Gull
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2:26pm Sat 18 May 13

Hovite says...

Yes Vegas, In Tony We Bloom.

I was never fussed if Gus left or stayed because both eventualities and how its dealt with were in the hands of TB.

There were always times when I was curious of how another manager would set up to play, and if another manager would have a wider attraction on the transfer market, but we ended up 4th.

If Gus had stayed, we had something to build from and if he left we have something to build from but with a fresh outlook and keeping our passing style.

Exciting times, no regrets, apart from Monday.
Yes Vegas, In Tony We Bloom. I was never fussed if Gus left or stayed because both eventualities and how its dealt with were in the hands of TB. There were always times when I was curious of how another manager would set up to play, and if another manager would have a wider attraction on the transfer market, but we ended up 4th. If Gus had stayed, we had something to build from and if he left we have something to build from but with a fresh outlook and keeping our passing style. Exciting times, no regrets, apart from Monday. Hovite
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2:31pm Sat 18 May 13

VegasSeagull says...

Chi Gull wrote:
SeagullChick wrote: The lynch mob mentality (me included) is more than understandable when you feel you have been betrayed by one of your own He has stabbed us all in the back and I wish him nothing but grief and ill will in the future Good riddance GP and take your poison elsewhere You will be unemployed and unwanted in football after you fail at a Premiership club next season (assuming one is dumb enough to have you). Benitez is hated by fans everywhere but obviously has a lot of ability and is respected by many chairman Poyet is not going to be welcomed by any Premiership supporters because they will not like his antics at BHA and when they see he has less than 5% of Benitez ability how long will they tolerate him? Lets see who is prepared to take him and keep him when he shows his lack of managerial ability
The one thing you can't accuse Gus of is stabbing us all in the back. He has been quite open and up front about his views, and that's what got him into trouble and suspended. Call him all sorts of other things but don't try and pretend it's all been done behind our backs. We might not agree with him and we might think he has been arrogant and stupid, but I think we all knew where he stood.
agreed
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: The lynch mob mentality (me included) is more than understandable when you feel you have been betrayed by one of your own He has stabbed us all in the back and I wish him nothing but grief and ill will in the future Good riddance GP and take your poison elsewhere You will be unemployed and unwanted in football after you fail at a Premiership club next season (assuming one is dumb enough to have you). Benitez is hated by fans everywhere but obviously has a lot of ability and is respected by many chairman Poyet is not going to be welcomed by any Premiership supporters because they will not like his antics at BHA and when they see he has less than 5% of Benitez ability how long will they tolerate him? Lets see who is prepared to take him and keep him when he shows his lack of managerial ability[/p][/quote]The one thing you can't accuse Gus of is stabbing us all in the back. He has been quite open and up front about his views, and that's what got him into trouble and suspended. Call him all sorts of other things but don't try and pretend it's all been done behind our backs. We might not agree with him and we might think he has been arrogant and stupid, but I think we all knew where he stood.[/p][/quote]agreed VegasSeagull
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2:31pm Sat 18 May 13

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

nkwbtn wrote:
Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum.

We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today.

Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.
Wrong, we were going nowhere till Bloom took over. Poyet just happens to part of the Bloom changes we have all benefited from.

I said yesterday, a lot of you chaps attribute way to much of our current rise to bloody Poyet.

At least Vicente agrees with me.
[quote][p][bold]nkwbtn[/bold] wrote: Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum. We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today. Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.[/p][/quote]Wrong, we were going nowhere till Bloom took over. Poyet just happens to part of the Bloom changes we have all benefited from. I said yesterday, a lot of you chaps attribute way to much of our current rise to bloody Poyet. At least Vicente agrees with me. PressBoxTeaBoy
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2:39pm Sat 18 May 13

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

tug509 wrote:
SeagullChick wrote:
nkwbtn wrote:
Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum.

We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today.

Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.
Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon?

He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions

Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due.

Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be.

Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance.

Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season?

18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness.

Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won.

And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace?

I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.
Hard to argue against any of what you have said SeagullChick. UTA
Smart seagull chick. Im with ya.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nkwbtn[/bold] wrote: Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum. We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today. Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.[/p][/quote]Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon? He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due. Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be. Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance. Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season? 18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness. Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won. And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace? I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.[/p][/quote]Hard to argue against any of what you have said SeagullChick. UTA[/p][/quote]Smart seagull chick. Im with ya. PressBoxTeaBoy
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2:54pm Sat 18 May 13

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite next season looks exciting to me and I can't wait to see who our next manager will be.

I think that we will transition into next quite well. As of today we are short of players, and we know why, but for me that is just adding to the excitement.

I did see an article that stated that we have ten million to spend on the rebuild, is that enough, who knows. I would guess that we would be looking to seal three or four season long loan deals, and that would help.

Under the fair play rules buying new players and paying them what they want is going to be tough, tough for all teams. This new rule should see an expansion of the loan system. We might not be able to buy player, 'X,' but we can pay a decent chunk of his wages if he comes to us on loan.

If nothing else our style of play from last season should encourage other managers to entrust us with their players, loan deals should be easier for us to complete.

I can see one or two of the bigger clubs sending us their 20 yearold striker or midfield player simply because our style of play is similar to theirs.
Hovite next season looks exciting to me and I can't wait to see who our next manager will be. I think that we will transition into next quite well. As of today we are short of players, and we know why, but for me that is just adding to the excitement. I did see an article that stated that we have ten million to spend on the rebuild, is that enough, who knows. I would guess that we would be looking to seal three or four season long loan deals, and that would help. Under the fair play rules buying new players and paying them what they want is going to be tough, tough for all teams. This new rule should see an expansion of the loan system. We might not be able to buy player, 'X,' but we can pay a decent chunk of his wages if he comes to us on loan. If nothing else our style of play from last season should encourage other managers to entrust us with their players, loan deals should be easier for us to complete. I can see one or two of the bigger clubs sending us their 20 yearold striker or midfield player simply because our style of play is similar to theirs. VegasSeagull
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3:10pm Sat 18 May 13

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Love the Sun headline - POODUNNIT !
Love the Sun headline - POODUNNIT ! PressBoxTeaBoy
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3:16pm Sat 18 May 13

sussexram40 says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Love the Sun headline - POODUNNIT !
Rumour going around is that it was Charlie Oatway but that's just a rumour and not a nice thing to pin on someone without any proof. I hope it wasn't. All we know is that it was someone who had access to the players dressing room and wouldn't have thought that many people had that sort of free access.
Also we know it was excrement but do we even know if it was human excrement or could someone have raided a doggie waste bin and used that?
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Love the Sun headline - POODUNNIT ![/p][/quote]Rumour going around is that it was Charlie Oatway but that's just a rumour and not a nice thing to pin on someone without any proof. I hope it wasn't. All we know is that it was someone who had access to the players dressing room and wouldn't have thought that many people had that sort of free access. Also we know it was excrement but do we even know if it was human excrement or could someone have raided a doggie waste bin and used that? sussexram40
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3:16pm Sat 18 May 13

brightonup says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite next season looks exciting to me and I can't wait to see who our next manager will be.

I think that we will transition into next quite well. As of today we are short of players, and we know why, but for me that is just adding to the excitement.

I did see an article that stated that we have ten million to spend on the rebuild, is that enough, who knows. I would guess that we would be looking to seal three or four season long loan deals, and that would help.

Under the fair play rules buying new players and paying them what they want is going to be tough, tough for all teams. This new rule should see an expansion of the loan system. We might not be able to buy player, 'X,' but we can pay a decent chunk of his wages if he comes to us on loan.

If nothing else our style of play from last season should encourage other managers to entrust us with their players, loan deals should be easier for us to complete.

I can see one or two of the bigger clubs sending us their 20 yearold striker or midfield player simply because our style of play is similar to theirs.
With respect, you were one who confidently predicted victory in the second leg of the playoff, so I won't be putting much faith in your clairvoyant skils!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hovite next season looks exciting to me and I can't wait to see who our next manager will be. I think that we will transition into next quite well. As of today we are short of players, and we know why, but for me that is just adding to the excitement. I did see an article that stated that we have ten million to spend on the rebuild, is that enough, who knows. I would guess that we would be looking to seal three or four season long loan deals, and that would help. Under the fair play rules buying new players and paying them what they want is going to be tough, tough for all teams. This new rule should see an expansion of the loan system. We might not be able to buy player, 'X,' but we can pay a decent chunk of his wages if he comes to us on loan. If nothing else our style of play from last season should encourage other managers to entrust us with their players, loan deals should be easier for us to complete. I can see one or two of the bigger clubs sending us their 20 yearold striker or midfield player simply because our style of play is similar to theirs.[/p][/quote]With respect, you were one who confidently predicted victory in the second leg of the playoff, so I won't be putting much faith in your clairvoyant skils! brightonup
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3:55pm Sat 18 May 13

Carlas mum says...

I think I have lost the plot here, the last statement I remember hearing from the Albion was that Gus,Tanno and Charlie had been SUSPENDED whilst and investigation was held to see whether they had breached the terms of their contracts. When did they dismiss them? Could turn out they've done nothing wrong and they carry on as normal.
I think I have lost the plot here, the last statement I remember hearing from the Albion was that Gus,Tanno and Charlie had been SUSPENDED whilst and investigation was held to see whether they had breached the terms of their contracts. When did they dismiss them? Could turn out they've done nothing wrong and they carry on as normal. Carlas mum
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3:55pm Sat 18 May 13

Carlas mum says...

I think I have lost the plot here, the last statement I remember hearing from the Albion was that Gus,Tanno and Charlie had been SUSPENDED whilst and investigation was held to see whether they had breached the terms of their contracts. When did they dismiss them? Could turn out they've done nothing wrong and they carry on as normal.
I think I have lost the plot here, the last statement I remember hearing from the Albion was that Gus,Tanno and Charlie had been SUSPENDED whilst and investigation was held to see whether they had breached the terms of their contracts. When did they dismiss them? Could turn out they've done nothing wrong and they carry on as normal. Carlas mum
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4:01pm Sat 18 May 13

VegasSeagull says...

brightonup wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: Hovite next season looks exciting to me and I can't wait to see who our next manager will be. I think that we will transition into next quite well. As of today we are short of players, and we know why, but for me that is just adding to the excitement. I did see an article that stated that we have ten million to spend on the rebuild, is that enough, who knows. I would guess that we would be looking to seal three or four season long loan deals, and that would help. Under the fair play rules buying new players and paying them what they want is going to be tough, tough for all teams. This new rule should see an expansion of the loan system. We might not be able to buy player, 'X,' but we can pay a decent chunk of his wages if he comes to us on loan. If nothing else our style of play from last season should encourage other managers to entrust us with their players, loan deals should be easier for us to complete. I can see one or two of the bigger clubs sending us their 20 yearold striker or midfield player simply because our style of play is similar to theirs.
With respect, you were one who confidently predicted victory in the second leg of the playoff, so I won't be putting much faith in your clairvoyant skils!
Yep I did, I was totally convinced we would win and there were many thousands at the ground that thought the same.

I was wrong, simples.

Now I dare you to tell me that you were not surprised at the result..
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hovite next season looks exciting to me and I can't wait to see who our next manager will be. I think that we will transition into next quite well. As of today we are short of players, and we know why, but for me that is just adding to the excitement. I did see an article that stated that we have ten million to spend on the rebuild, is that enough, who knows. I would guess that we would be looking to seal three or four season long loan deals, and that would help. Under the fair play rules buying new players and paying them what they want is going to be tough, tough for all teams. This new rule should see an expansion of the loan system. We might not be able to buy player, 'X,' but we can pay a decent chunk of his wages if he comes to us on loan. If nothing else our style of play from last season should encourage other managers to entrust us with their players, loan deals should be easier for us to complete. I can see one or two of the bigger clubs sending us their 20 yearold striker or midfield player simply because our style of play is similar to theirs.[/p][/quote]With respect, you were one who confidently predicted victory in the second leg of the playoff, so I won't be putting much faith in your clairvoyant skils![/p][/quote]Yep I did, I was totally convinced we would win and there were many thousands at the ground that thought the same. I was wrong, simples. Now I dare you to tell me that you were not surprised at the result.. VegasSeagull
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4:20pm Sat 18 May 13

rolivan says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Why has it taken 2 reporters to write this article.I feel that something went on with the Argus and the Club around the time of the Reading Job.Why did Gus not email the Argus being a local paper as well as a National?
The Mail published the email. Severely doubt Gus emailed The Mail to them. They no doubt received it from a third party. Perhaps the same third party that leaked news of the suspension to Sky Sports News?
Of course I meant emailed The Mail directly.
They seem to have decided to have backed each other in putting this article forward with no response from Gus Poyet which means to me they know a lot more than is being reported and that they will not have to face Gus again for interviews or are we not getting all of the stories online?
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Why has it taken 2 reporters to write this article.I feel that something went on with the Argus and the Club around the time of the Reading Job.Why did Gus not email the Argus being a local paper as well as a National?[/p][/quote]The Mail published the email. Severely doubt Gus emailed The Mail to them. They no doubt received it from a third party. Perhaps the same third party that leaked news of the suspension to Sky Sports News?[/p][/quote]Of course I meant emailed The Mail directly.[/p][/quote]They seem to have decided to have backed each other in putting this article forward with no response from Gus Poyet which means to me they know a lot more than is being reported and that they will not have to face Gus again for interviews or are we not getting all of the stories online? rolivan
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4:23pm Sat 18 May 13

Hovite says...

Carlas mum wrote:
I think I have lost the plot here, the last statement I remember hearing from the Albion was that Gus,Tanno and Charlie had been SUSPENDED whilst and investigation was held to see whether they had breached the terms of their contracts. When did they dismiss them? Could turn out they've done nothing wrong and they carry on as normal.
Yep, nothing would surprise me after this week.
[quote][p][bold]Carlas mum[/bold] wrote: I think I have lost the plot here, the last statement I remember hearing from the Albion was that Gus,Tanno and Charlie had been SUSPENDED whilst and investigation was held to see whether they had breached the terms of their contracts. When did they dismiss them? Could turn out they've done nothing wrong and they carry on as normal.[/p][/quote]Yep, nothing would surprise me after this week. Hovite
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4:24pm Sat 18 May 13

The Phantom says...

SeagullChick wrote:
My biggest gripe is that his (Poyet's) antics have set us back at least three to six months as that is how long (absolute minimum) it will take for a new manager to assess things and decide how he wants to develop the squad and stamp his mark on the team.

In fact i believe all will be well in the end but essentially all this nasty stuff at the end of the season quite frankly leads me to believe we can write off promotion next season.

Its just too much grief to sort out quickly enough to ave a great season next year and I know of no side tht has had great season with o much turmoil going on.

On a side note would you have believed that the top three sides in The Premiership will all have new managers next season?

Makes you question why Poyet would want to give up one of the top jobs in the country outside of maybe 10 teams in the Premiership
Realise you have had a lot to say today and thought I would respond to this point. It has been apparent for some time that it was likely Gus would go by the end of this season. Given that Gus's position is now untenable, I do not really see that, assuming the disciplinary matters relating to the coaching staff are resolved quickly, and a quality new manager appointed there should be no significant disruption to the on-going progression of the club. For all your criticism of him, Poyet has put together a squad of considerable quality and a progressive style of play. Providing the new manager has a similar footballing ethos, there is no reason why with a few quality additions in the next couple of months, that we should not be ready to go again in August.

For what it is worth, I think Gus has jeopardised his future aspirations by the way he has conducted himself this week - his reputation within the game and the media was reasonably blemish free until last Monday. Unfortunately his subsequent actions have cast a huge shadow over what have been considerable achivements in the last 3 1/2 years.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: My biggest gripe is that his (Poyet's) antics have set us back at least three to six months as that is how long (absolute minimum) it will take for a new manager to assess things and decide how he wants to develop the squad and stamp his mark on the team. In fact i believe all will be well in the end but essentially all this nasty stuff at the end of the season quite frankly leads me to believe we can write off promotion next season. Its just too much grief to sort out quickly enough to ave a great season next year and I know of no side tht has had great season with o much turmoil going on. On a side note would you have believed that the top three sides in The Premiership will all have new managers next season? Makes you question why Poyet would want to give up one of the top jobs in the country outside of maybe 10 teams in the Premiership[/p][/quote]Realise you have had a lot to say today and thought I would respond to this point. It has been apparent for some time that it was likely Gus would go by the end of this season. Given that Gus's position is now untenable, I do not really see that, assuming the disciplinary matters relating to the coaching staff are resolved quickly, and a quality new manager appointed there should be no significant disruption to the on-going progression of the club. For all your criticism of him, Poyet has put together a squad of considerable quality and a progressive style of play. Providing the new manager has a similar footballing ethos, there is no reason why with a few quality additions in the next couple of months, that we should not be ready to go again in August. For what it is worth, I think Gus has jeopardised his future aspirations by the way he has conducted himself this week - his reputation within the game and the media was reasonably blemish free until last Monday. Unfortunately his subsequent actions have cast a huge shadow over what have been considerable achivements in the last 3 1/2 years. The Phantom
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4:25pm Sat 18 May 13

rolivan says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
brightonup wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: Hovite next season looks exciting to me and I can't wait to see who our next manager will be. I think that we will transition into next quite well. As of today we are short of players, and we know why, but for me that is just adding to the excitement. I did see an article that stated that we have ten million to spend on the rebuild, is that enough, who knows. I would guess that we would be looking to seal three or four season long loan deals, and that would help. Under the fair play rules buying new players and paying them what they want is going to be tough, tough for all teams. This new rule should see an expansion of the loan system. We might not be able to buy player, 'X,' but we can pay a decent chunk of his wages if he comes to us on loan. If nothing else our style of play from last season should encourage other managers to entrust us with their players, loan deals should be easier for us to complete. I can see one or two of the bigger clubs sending us their 20 yearold striker or midfield player simply because our style of play is similar to theirs.
With respect, you were one who confidently predicted victory in the second leg of the playoff, so I won't be putting much faith in your clairvoyant skils!
Yep I did, I was totally convinced we would win and there were many thousands at the ground that thought the same.

I was wrong, simples.

Now I dare you to tell me that you were not surprised at the result..
I think most people were surprised at the performance which then had an obvious bearing on the result.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hovite next season looks exciting to me and I can't wait to see who our next manager will be. I think that we will transition into next quite well. As of today we are short of players, and we know why, but for me that is just adding to the excitement. I did see an article that stated that we have ten million to spend on the rebuild, is that enough, who knows. I would guess that we would be looking to seal three or four season long loan deals, and that would help. Under the fair play rules buying new players and paying them what they want is going to be tough, tough for all teams. This new rule should see an expansion of the loan system. We might not be able to buy player, 'X,' but we can pay a decent chunk of his wages if he comes to us on loan. If nothing else our style of play from last season should encourage other managers to entrust us with their players, loan deals should be easier for us to complete. I can see one or two of the bigger clubs sending us their 20 yearold striker or midfield player simply because our style of play is similar to theirs.[/p][/quote]With respect, you were one who confidently predicted victory in the second leg of the playoff, so I won't be putting much faith in your clairvoyant skils![/p][/quote]Yep I did, I was totally convinced we would win and there were many thousands at the ground that thought the same. I was wrong, simples. Now I dare you to tell me that you were not surprised at the result..[/p][/quote]I think most people were surprised at the performance which then had an obvious bearing on the result. rolivan
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4:55pm Sat 18 May 13

Freeloaders says...

Yet again more rubbish from the same brain dead people.Every true Brighton fan should hate Poyet & Oatway.More will come out soon with luck Vicente is just the first.Lets hope freeloader 0atway Jr is also out the club asap.
Yet again more rubbish from the same brain dead people.Every true Brighton fan should hate Poyet & Oatway.More will come out soon with luck Vicente is just the first.Lets hope freeloader 0atway Jr is also out the club asap. Freeloaders
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5:10pm Sat 18 May 13

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

When the dust settles after all this crap, (or Poo), where realistically can Poyet go thats any stronger than where he is already.

Aspirations to manage in the Premier Lge are all well and good, but lets face it, are there likely to be any clubs other than the 4 below that will be hiring a new manager anytime soon, and even then, only 2 of those 4 actually have an open position as we speak.

Man City - no way they will punt on Gus.

Everton. Its a possibility, but is this a big club that Gus dreams of, and do they even want him, its a gamble for them. They wont want a budget complainer, they have a small budget.

Stoke - small club and they have not sacked Pulis yet, and may not. Low budget club.

Fulham - even smaller club and look like they are sticking with Jol. Low budget club.

So, if we sack Poyet, and I hope we do, he'll most likely be on side lines waiting for the first Prem Lge clubs to sack managers as next season progresses into Dec/Jan, and thats likely to throw open positions at all the small budget boys, Norwich, Fulham, Stoke, Hull, etc...etc...and Poyet will be right back where he started.

Whenever Poyet spoke of his aspirations in the past it was always, " i want to manage at a big club, I want to manage at the top level".

He is a million miles away from ever going to Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd, City etc..etc..he has to prove himself with a smaller budget no matter where he goes.

In that sense, this man is destined to be dissatisfied wherever the wind blows him next.

I truly believe he will leave BHA and have massive regrets. He had, and has, a great foundation to prove himself, but he's not prepared to fight and earn it. There's no short cuts or a divine right to reach the top.

Good riddance.
When the dust settles after all this crap, (or Poo), where realistically can Poyet go thats any stronger than where he is already. Aspirations to manage in the Premier Lge are all well and good, but lets face it, are there likely to be any clubs other than the 4 below that will be hiring a new manager anytime soon, and even then, only 2 of those 4 actually have an open position as we speak. Man City - no way they will punt on Gus. Everton. Its a possibility, but is this a big club that Gus dreams of, and do they even want him, its a gamble for them. They wont want a budget complainer, they have a small budget. Stoke - small club and they have not sacked Pulis yet, and may not. Low budget club. Fulham - even smaller club and look like they are sticking with Jol. Low budget club. So, if we sack Poyet, and I hope we do, he'll most likely be on side lines waiting for the first Prem Lge clubs to sack managers as next season progresses into Dec/Jan, and thats likely to throw open positions at all the small budget boys, Norwich, Fulham, Stoke, Hull, etc...etc...and Poyet will be right back where he started. Whenever Poyet spoke of his aspirations in the past it was always, " i want to manage at a big club, I want to manage at the top level". He is a million miles away from ever going to Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd, City etc..etc..he has to prove himself with a smaller budget no matter where he goes. In that sense, this man is destined to be dissatisfied wherever the wind blows him next. I truly believe he will leave BHA and have massive regrets. He had, and has, a great foundation to prove himself, but he's not prepared to fight and earn it. There's no short cuts or a divine right to reach the top. Good riddance. PressBoxTeaBoy
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5:23pm Sat 18 May 13

tug509 says...

Baldseagull wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
On a seperate note, I wish Vicente well, certainly the most talented player I have ever seen in an Albion shirt, just a shame we saw so little of him, pity Poyet couldnt "lower himself" to ask him how he was feeling, good man management, not !! there seems to be a pattern developing here. Lets hope TB gets this sorted and quick before the club's name goes even further down the toilet.
I heard an interview last week with Dion Dublin regarding Alex Ferguson.
He said that when he was out injured with a broken leg and was a recent signing and not a major player for them, AF visited him at his home to give him a birthday present and reassure him that he would make it back.
He also mentioned getting the hairdryer treatment but also said that AF never used that on players that maybe could not take it.
This is key to good man management, knowing your players and what they will respond best to, never criticising them in public and making them feel included when they are not in the team.
I don't know if Gus has any of those skills but he is a good coach and has improved most of the footballers that have been under him here, the only quality he needed to add to Vicente though was desire to play for the club and he utterly failed there.
Thank you . UTA
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: On a seperate note, I wish Vicente well, certainly the most talented player I have ever seen in an Albion shirt, just a shame we saw so little of him, pity Poyet couldnt "lower himself" to ask him how he was feeling, good man management, not !! there seems to be a pattern developing here. Lets hope TB gets this sorted and quick before the club's name goes even further down the toilet.[/p][/quote]I heard an interview last week with Dion Dublin regarding Alex Ferguson. He said that when he was out injured with a broken leg and was a recent signing and not a major player for them, AF visited him at his home to give him a birthday present and reassure him that he would make it back. He also mentioned getting the hairdryer treatment but also said that AF never used that on players that maybe could not take it. This is key to good man management, knowing your players and what they will respond best to, never criticising them in public and making them feel included when they are not in the team. I don't know if Gus has any of those skills but he is a good coach and has improved most of the footballers that have been under him here, the only quality he needed to add to Vicente though was desire to play for the club and he utterly failed there.[/p][/quote]Thank you . UTA tug509
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5:25pm Sat 18 May 13

tug509 says...

tug509 wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
On a seperate note, I wish Vicente well, certainly the most talented player I have ever seen in an Albion shirt, just a shame we saw so little of him, pity Poyet couldnt "lower himself" to ask him how he was feeling, good man management, not !! there seems to be a pattern developing here. Lets hope TB gets this sorted and quick before the club's name goes even further down the toilet.
I heard an interview last week with Dion Dublin regarding Alex Ferguson.
He said that when he was out injured with a broken leg and was a recent signing and not a major player for them, AF visited him at his home to give him a birthday present and reassure him that he would make it back.
He also mentioned getting the hairdryer treatment but also said that AF never used that on players that maybe could not take it.
This is key to good man management, knowing your players and what they will respond best to, never criticising them in public and making them feel included when they are not in the team.
I don't know if Gus has any of those skills but he is a good coach and has improved most of the footballers that have been under him here, the only quality he needed to add to Vicente though was desire to play for the club and he utterly failed there.
Thank you . UTA
Sorry just realised that could sound sarcastic,it was genuine. UTA
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: On a seperate note, I wish Vicente well, certainly the most talented player I have ever seen in an Albion shirt, just a shame we saw so little of him, pity Poyet couldnt "lower himself" to ask him how he was feeling, good man management, not !! there seems to be a pattern developing here. Lets hope TB gets this sorted and quick before the club's name goes even further down the toilet.[/p][/quote]I heard an interview last week with Dion Dublin regarding Alex Ferguson. He said that when he was out injured with a broken leg and was a recent signing and not a major player for them, AF visited him at his home to give him a birthday present and reassure him that he would make it back. He also mentioned getting the hairdryer treatment but also said that AF never used that on players that maybe could not take it. This is key to good man management, knowing your players and what they will respond best to, never criticising them in public and making them feel included when they are not in the team. I don't know if Gus has any of those skills but he is a good coach and has improved most of the footballers that have been under him here, the only quality he needed to add to Vicente though was desire to play for the club and he utterly failed there.[/p][/quote]Thank you . UTA[/p][/quote]Sorry just realised that could sound sarcastic,it was genuine. UTA tug509
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5:35pm Sat 18 May 13

tug509 says...

Brightonup,

I would have put my right nut on us winning,as it turned out, it had a chance of a game. UTA
Brightonup, I would have put my right nut on us winning,as it turned out, it had a chance of a game. UTA tug509
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6:01pm Sat 18 May 13

Withdean-er says...

Thank you Vicente for spilling the beans.

Put the speculative (lying) post this week firmly into touch: that the evil "money men" (Bloom and Barber) had prevented Gus keeping Vicente, which had infuriated the 'brilliant' Gus.
Thank you Vicente for spilling the beans. Put the speculative (lying) post this week firmly into touch: that the evil "money men" (Bloom and Barber) had prevented Gus keeping Vicente, which had infuriated the 'brilliant' Gus. Withdean-er
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6:11pm Sat 18 May 13

Freeloaders says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
When the dust settles after all this crap, (or Poo), where realistically can Poyet go thats any stronger than where he is already.

Aspirations to manage in the Premier Lge are all well and good, but lets face it, are there likely to be any clubs other than the 4 below that will be hiring a new manager anytime soon, and even then, only 2 of those 4 actually have an open position as we speak.

Man City - no way they will punt on Gus.

Everton. Its a possibility, but is this a big club that Gus dreams of, and do they even want him, its a gamble for them. They wont want a budget complainer, they have a small budget.

Stoke - small club and they have not sacked Pulis yet, and may not. Low budget club.

Fulham - even smaller club and look like they are sticking with Jol. Low budget club.

So, if we sack Poyet, and I hope we do, he'll most likely be on side lines waiting for the first Prem Lge clubs to sack managers as next season progresses into Dec/Jan, and thats likely to throw open positions at all the small budget boys, Norwich, Fulham, Stoke, Hull, etc...etc...and Poyet will be right back where he started.

Whenever Poyet spoke of his aspirations in the past it was always, " i want to manage at a big club, I want to manage at the top level".

He is a million miles away from ever going to Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd, City etc..etc..he has to prove himself with a smaller budget no matter where he goes.

In that sense, this man is destined to be dissatisfied wherever the wind blows him next.

I truly believe he will leave BHA and have massive regrets. He had, and has, a great foundation to prove himself, but he's not prepared to fight and earn it. There's no short cuts or a divine right to reach the top.

Good riddance.
What a wonderful post my friend.The hate i feel for Poyet & Oatway i can not put into words.I just pray everything goes wrong in their lifes.But more to the point they never get a penny of money from this club or its wonderful fans again.
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: When the dust settles after all this crap, (or Poo), where realistically can Poyet go thats any stronger than where he is already. Aspirations to manage in the Premier Lge are all well and good, but lets face it, are there likely to be any clubs other than the 4 below that will be hiring a new manager anytime soon, and even then, only 2 of those 4 actually have an open position as we speak. Man City - no way they will punt on Gus. Everton. Its a possibility, but is this a big club that Gus dreams of, and do they even want him, its a gamble for them. They wont want a budget complainer, they have a small budget. Stoke - small club and they have not sacked Pulis yet, and may not. Low budget club. Fulham - even smaller club and look like they are sticking with Jol. Low budget club. So, if we sack Poyet, and I hope we do, he'll most likely be on side lines waiting for the first Prem Lge clubs to sack managers as next season progresses into Dec/Jan, and thats likely to throw open positions at all the small budget boys, Norwich, Fulham, Stoke, Hull, etc...etc...and Poyet will be right back where he started. Whenever Poyet spoke of his aspirations in the past it was always, " i want to manage at a big club, I want to manage at the top level". He is a million miles away from ever going to Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd, City etc..etc..he has to prove himself with a smaller budget no matter where he goes. In that sense, this man is destined to be dissatisfied wherever the wind blows him next. I truly believe he will leave BHA and have massive regrets. He had, and has, a great foundation to prove himself, but he's not prepared to fight and earn it. There's no short cuts or a divine right to reach the top. Good riddance.[/p][/quote]What a wonderful post my friend.The hate i feel for Poyet & Oatway i can not put into words.I just pray everything goes wrong in their lifes.But more to the point they never get a penny of money from this club or its wonderful fans again. Freeloaders
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6:31pm Sat 18 May 13

sussexram40 says...

I'd like to see GP get the Fulham job and get them relegated next season. And the Albion to win promotion under the new manager. That would really stick it up Poyet!
I'd like to see GP get the Fulham job and get them relegated next season. And the Albion to win promotion under the new manager. That would really stick it up Poyet! sussexram40
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7:19pm Sat 18 May 13

spencer1973 says...

We need to give Hinchelwood and bob booker another chance....the dream team
We need to give Hinchelwood and bob booker another chance....the dream team spencer1973
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7:45pm Sat 18 May 13

Bill in Hanover says...

The only winners to come out of this are Everton (and possibly Fulham) as they are getting an in-depth view of Gus Poyet and his relationship with the owner and players.
The only winners to come out of this are Everton (and possibly Fulham) as they are getting an in-depth view of Gus Poyet and his relationship with the owner and players. Bill in Hanover
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7:56pm Sat 18 May 13

GovindaTim says...

Freeloaders wrote:
Yet again more rubbish from the same brain dead people.Every true Brighton fan should hate Poyet & Oatway.More will come out soon with luck Vicente is just the first.Lets hope freeloader 0atway Jr is also out the club asap.
Never wrong, always a pr1ck. lol
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: Yet again more rubbish from the same brain dead people.Every true Brighton fan should hate Poyet & Oatway.More will come out soon with luck Vicente is just the first.Lets hope freeloader 0atway Jr is also out the club asap.[/p][/quote]Never wrong, always a pr1ck. lol GovindaTim
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8:05pm Sat 18 May 13

john newman says...

Those who criticised Poyet were subjected to fierce attack, both on this site and elsewhere. They were right. We did not attack enough, we did not have enough firepower and tactics including team selections were at times baffling to say the least. Next stop Freeman , or what about Solkjaer however you spell it , in Norway. He has led unfashionable Molde to the league title, ex Man U and well respected in the game.! At least their English is better than most other overseas managers.
Those who criticised Poyet were subjected to fierce attack, both on this site and elsewhere. They were right. We did not attack enough, we did not have enough firepower and tactics including team selections were at times baffling to say the least. Next stop Freeman , or what about Solkjaer however you spell it , in Norway. He has led unfashionable Molde to the league title, ex Man U and well respected in the game.! At least their English is better than most other overseas managers. john newman
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8:19pm Sat 18 May 13

fairweathersupporter says...

john newman wrote:
Those who criticised Poyet were subjected to fierce attack, both on this site and elsewhere. They were right. We did not attack enough, we did not have enough firepower and tactics including team selections were at times baffling to say the least. Next stop Freeman , or what about Solkjaer however you spell it , in Norway. He has led unfashionable Molde to the league title, ex Man U and well respected in the game.! At least their English is better than most other overseas managers.
John (or whatever name you choose today), judging from your comments on here, i am not surprised you were baffled by Gus's tactics and footballing 'philosophy'. But as i am constantly reminded; we are all entitled to our opinion.
I have posted my views on the subject elsewhere, not that in the scheme of things that matter any more than yours ; ). But i grant you that Ole Gunnar Solskjær could be an interesting selection... See Captain Haddock's managerial run down on the 'End is nigh thread'. I take it your reference to Freeman is a joke... It's hard to tell sometimes.
[quote][p][bold]john newman[/bold] wrote: Those who criticised Poyet were subjected to fierce attack, both on this site and elsewhere. They were right. We did not attack enough, we did not have enough firepower and tactics including team selections were at times baffling to say the least. Next stop Freeman , or what about Solkjaer however you spell it , in Norway. He has led unfashionable Molde to the league title, ex Man U and well respected in the game.! At least their English is better than most other overseas managers.[/p][/quote]John (or whatever name you choose today), judging from your comments on here, i am not surprised you were baffled by Gus's tactics and footballing 'philosophy'. But as i am constantly reminded; we are all entitled to our opinion. I have posted my views on the subject elsewhere, not that in the scheme of things that matter any more than yours ; ). But i grant you that Ole Gunnar Solskjær could be an interesting selection... See Captain Haddock's managerial run down on the 'End is nigh thread'. I take it your reference to Freeman is a joke... It's hard to tell sometimes. fairweathersupporter
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8:59pm Sat 18 May 13

Hovite says...

The full Vicente interview is very interesting. Said when he could have played he wasn't played.

Loved the city club and fans, his daughter settled in school, made friends and she learnt to speak english.

He got on with everyone but not Gus or Tarrico and doubts Gus has the credentials for managing in the the Prem.

Wishes the club well and hopes we get to the Prem.
The full Vicente interview is very interesting. Said when he could have played he wasn't played. Loved the city club and fans, his daughter settled in school, made friends and she learnt to speak english. He got on with everyone but not Gus or Tarrico and doubts Gus has the credentials for managing in the the Prem. Wishes the club well and hopes we get to the Prem. Hovite
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9:20pm Sat 18 May 13

seagulljoe says...

Freeloaders wrote:
Yet again more rubbish from the same brain dead people.Every true Brighton fan should hate Poyet & Oatway.More will come out soon with luck Vicente is just the first.Lets hope freeloader 0atway Jr is also out the club asap.
Yet more tripe from freeloader...you ain't got a clue what you're talking about. Troll or Palace fan, that is obvious.
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: Yet again more rubbish from the same brain dead people.Every true Brighton fan should hate Poyet & Oatway.More will come out soon with luck Vicente is just the first.Lets hope freeloader 0atway Jr is also out the club asap.[/p][/quote]Yet more tripe from freeloader...you ain't got a clue what you're talking about. Troll or Palace fan, that is obvious. seagulljoe
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9:52pm Sat 18 May 13

pte says...

If Vincente couldnt stand Gus that's an excellent qualification for him to be the next manager
If Vincente couldnt stand Gus that's an excellent qualification for him to be the next manager pte
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10:17pm Sat 18 May 13

gburbs says...

very odd a now ex-player speaking of being retained against his will by a manager who himself didn't want to be here.
very odd a now ex-player speaking of being retained against his will by a manager who himself didn't want to be here. gburbs
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10:18pm Sat 18 May 13

MattMan81 says...

There's obviously been a lot of negative press recent days, but it's only been caused by the odd individual.....a shame that Gus is one of them! Saying that, I say it again, no one is bigger than the club! Life does go on. Tony Bloom just needs to get the right man in, but sorry to repeat myself, but I cant understand the positivity towards David Platt!!! Look at his CV and please tell me what he's done that's so great! He was only at City thanks to his bum chum Mancini!!! That doesn't make him a great manager!!! Di Matteo or Hoddle for me! No brainer!
There's obviously been a lot of negative press recent days, but it's only been caused by the odd individual.....a shame that Gus is one of them! Saying that, I say it again, no one is bigger than the club! Life does go on. Tony Bloom just needs to get the right man in, but sorry to repeat myself, but I cant understand the positivity towards David Platt!!! Look at his CV and please tell me what he's done that's so great! He was only at City thanks to his bum chum Mancini!!! That doesn't make him a great manager!!! Di Matteo or Hoddle for me! No brainer! MattMan81
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10:27pm Sat 18 May 13

MattMan81 says...

David Platt (Manager) - Left Sampdoria before they got relegated to Serie B. Was responsible for getting Notts Forest into debt, falling out with players in the process, and failed to qualify for the 2004 Euro's with the England U21's, and surprisingly left that post as well! Would you employ someone with a CV like that?! SHOCKING!
David Platt (Manager) - Left Sampdoria before they got relegated to Serie B. Was responsible for getting Notts Forest into debt, falling out with players in the process, and failed to qualify for the 2004 Euro's with the England U21's, and surprisingly left that post as well! Would you employ someone with a CV like that?! SHOCKING! MattMan81
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10:40pm Sat 18 May 13

john newman says...

Dear fairweathersupporter
, or whatever your real name is, yes we all have our own views and we are entitled to express them. That is what this site is all about.
As for Ole he will come back to England with someone so I think the Albion would be ideal. Must be worth a go rather than a failed and expensive NAME. Yes Freeman was tongue in cheek!
Dear fairweathersupporter , or whatever your real name is, yes we all have our own views and we are entitled to express them. That is what this site is all about. As for Ole he will come back to England with someone so I think the Albion would be ideal. Must be worth a go rather than a failed and expensive NAME. Yes Freeman was tongue in cheek! john newman
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11:09pm Sat 18 May 13

Freeloaders says...

seagulljoe wrote:
Freeloaders wrote:
Yet again more rubbish from the same brain dead people.Every true Brighton fan should hate Poyet & Oatway.More will come out soon with luck Vicente is just the first.Lets hope freeloader 0atway Jr is also out the club asap.
Yet more tripe from freeloader...you ain't got a clue what you're talking about. Troll or Palace fan, that is obvious.
You will soon be out of work you vile freeloader lol.Happy times,best of luck finding a knew club lol.
[quote][p][bold]seagulljoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: Yet again more rubbish from the same brain dead people.Every true Brighton fan should hate Poyet & Oatway.More will come out soon with luck Vicente is just the first.Lets hope freeloader 0atway Jr is also out the club asap.[/p][/quote]Yet more tripe from freeloader...you ain't got a clue what you're talking about. Troll or Palace fan, that is obvious.[/p][/quote]You will soon be out of work you vile freeloader lol.Happy times,best of luck finding a knew club lol. Freeloaders
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11:16pm Sat 18 May 13

GovindaTim says...

Freeloaders wrote:
seagulljoe wrote:
Freeloaders wrote:
Yet again more rubbish from the same brain dead people.Every true Brighton fan should hate Poyet & Oatway.More will come out soon with luck Vicente is just the first.Lets hope freeloader 0atway Jr is also out the club asap.
Yet more tripe from freeloader...you ain't got a clue what you're talking about. Troll or Palace fan, that is obvious.
You will soon be out of work you vile freeloader lol.Happy times,best of luck finding a knew club lol.
Never wrong, always a pr1ck. lol
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seagulljoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: Yet again more rubbish from the same brain dead people.Every true Brighton fan should hate Poyet & Oatway.More will come out soon with luck Vicente is just the first.Lets hope freeloader 0atway Jr is also out the club asap.[/p][/quote]Yet more tripe from freeloader...you ain't got a clue what you're talking about. Troll or Palace fan, that is obvious.[/p][/quote]You will soon be out of work you vile freeloader lol.Happy times,best of luck finding a knew club lol.[/p][/quote]Never wrong, always a pr1ck. lol GovindaTim
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6:50am Sun 19 May 13

jay316 says...

Claude Back wrote:
Re 'Poogate':
Isn't it possible that someone not BAHAFC staff infiltrated the 'security' and did the deed?
Gus seems to think it was an inside jobbie but maybe a 'fan' broke in? Seems more the action of a Palace hating cretin than staff to me.
As for Vicente, I think we should hear the defence after hearing the prosecution? Maybe Gus will tell us his version one day...probably not though.
I thought all internal doors had pass key locks, so it shouldn't be too hard to find out who it was :)
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Re 'Poogate': Isn't it possible that someone not BAHAFC staff infiltrated the 'security' and did the deed? Gus seems to think it was an inside jobbie but maybe a 'fan' broke in? Seems more the action of a Palace hating cretin than staff to me. As for Vicente, I think we should hear the defence after hearing the prosecution? Maybe Gus will tell us his version one day...probably not though.[/p][/quote]I thought all internal doors had pass key locks, so it shouldn't be too hard to find out who it was :) jay316
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6:54am Sun 19 May 13

jay316 says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
What a week, ! from looking forward to Wembley and possible Premier league we have truly plumbed the depths, something is seriously wrong with the club, players in court, manager openly critical and courting jobs, some idiot, doing crazy things in the Palace dressing room an now splashed all over he press. whoever is responsible for man management at all levels needs sacking. TB must get a grip with all this and quick, the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.
Steveg1958 wrote:
..... the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.
------------

I agree... sadly the conduct of a few (just a few) BHA fans was shocking, fighting amongst themselves, kicking of with stadium staff at the station (remember if the station isn't stewarded, the station can't be used), and then all issues internal, with players in court, s**t hitting the pan (in more than one way), and poyet et all.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: What a week, ! from looking forward to Wembley and possible Premier league we have truly plumbed the depths, something is seriously wrong with the club, players in court, manager openly critical and courting jobs, some idiot, doing crazy things in the Palace dressing room an now splashed all over he press. whoever is responsible for man management at all levels needs sacking. TB must get a grip with all this and quick, the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.[/p][/quote]Steveg1958 wrote: ..... the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans. ------------ I agree... sadly the conduct of a few (just a few) BHA fans was shocking, fighting amongst themselves, kicking of with stadium staff at the station (remember if the station isn't stewarded, the station can't be used), and then all issues internal, with players in court, s**t hitting the pan (in more than one way), and poyet et all. jay316
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2:33pm Sun 19 May 13

Baldseagull says...

jay316 wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
What a week, ! from looking forward to Wembley and possible Premier league we have truly plumbed the depths, something is seriously wrong with the club, players in court, manager openly critical and courting jobs, some idiot, doing crazy things in the Palace dressing room an now splashed all over he press. whoever is responsible for man management at all levels needs sacking. TB must get a grip with all this and quick, the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.
Steveg1958 wrote:
..... the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.
------------

I agree... sadly the conduct of a few (just a few) BHA fans was shocking, fighting amongst themselves, kicking of with stadium staff at the station (remember if the station isn't stewarded, the station can't be used), and then all issues internal, with players in court, s**t hitting the pan (in more than one way), and poyet et all.
Anti Palace feeling is not rubbish, its rivalry and it happens to be a bitter one.
You have to appreciate that for some people, it is of higher importance in their lives than yours, to stuff Palace.

The Club has done nothing wrong!

I am not defending a disgusting mess being left in the away dressing room, but obviously it was not an official club action and the club have apologised for it.
I am not aware of any apology from Crystal Palace FC, for some of their fans urinating off of the pedestrian bridge at Falmer Station onto the Brighton supporters queuing up below, last season.

The only scrapping I saw Monday was on a Brighton bound train when an older Palace fan was abusing a few teenage Brighton supporters and mocking them because "their Firm didn't shown up" he then lashed out at one of them when the lad said "Come on Watford".
This idiot and his two friends received just enough punishment from another Brighton supporter more their age to shut them up and make them think it wise to keep their hands to themselves, in the '80's most of the carriage would have piled into them just for being there and left them in a bloody pulp. We are moving on but it will never be handshakes and congratulations all round at the end of a Palace/Brighton fixture.

I am not ashamed of my Club whatsoever, I am embarrassed by the defeat on Monday, the apparent dirty protest and that Gus seems to think we are not bigtime enough for him.

I am ashamed of some of my fellow supporters for leaving the moment the second goal went in, for suggesting we should not have a rivalry with Palace and referring to those of us that feel the rivalry more keenly as mindless.

I don't go to football to be intellectually stimulated, I go for the emotion, the love of my team and on Monday in particular, the chance to feel elated at turning over our rivals, at the risk of feeling depressed for days if the opposite happens. No other result has as much emotion tied to it as Brighton/Palace.

Some of those that back away from the rivalry do so to protect themselves from feeling despondent if we lose, but they miss out on the euphoria of victory when it comes through this cowardice.
[quote][p][bold]jay316[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: What a week, ! from looking forward to Wembley and possible Premier league we have truly plumbed the depths, something is seriously wrong with the club, players in court, manager openly critical and courting jobs, some idiot, doing crazy things in the Palace dressing room an now splashed all over he press. whoever is responsible for man management at all levels needs sacking. TB must get a grip with all this and quick, the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.[/p][/quote]Steveg1958 wrote: ..... the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans. ------------ I agree... sadly the conduct of a few (just a few) BHA fans was shocking, fighting amongst themselves, kicking of with stadium staff at the station (remember if the station isn't stewarded, the station can't be used), and then all issues internal, with players in court, s**t hitting the pan (in more than one way), and poyet et all.[/p][/quote]Anti Palace feeling is not rubbish, its rivalry and it happens to be a bitter one. You have to appreciate that for some people, it is of higher importance in their lives than yours, to stuff Palace. The Club has done nothing wrong! I am not defending a disgusting mess being left in the away dressing room, but obviously it was not an official club action and the club have apologised for it. I am not aware of any apology from Crystal Palace FC, for some of their fans urinating off of the pedestrian bridge at Falmer Station onto the Brighton supporters queuing up below, last season. The only scrapping I saw Monday was on a Brighton bound train when an older Palace fan was abusing a few teenage Brighton supporters and mocking them because "their Firm didn't shown up" he then lashed out at one of them when the lad said "Come on Watford". This idiot and his two friends received just enough punishment from another Brighton supporter more their age to shut them up and make them think it wise to keep their hands to themselves, in the '80's most of the carriage would have piled into them just for being there and left them in a bloody pulp. We are moving on but it will never be handshakes and congratulations all round at the end of a Palace/Brighton fixture. I am not ashamed of my Club whatsoever, I am embarrassed by the defeat on Monday, the apparent dirty protest and that Gus seems to think we are not bigtime enough for him. I am ashamed of some of my fellow supporters for leaving the moment the second goal went in, for suggesting we should not have a rivalry with Palace and referring to those of us that feel the rivalry more keenly as mindless. I don't go to football to be intellectually stimulated, I go for the emotion, the love of my team and on Monday in particular, the chance to feel elated at turning over our rivals, at the risk of feeling depressed for days if the opposite happens. No other result has as much emotion tied to it as Brighton/Palace. Some of those that back away from the rivalry do so to protect themselves from feeling despondent if we lose, but they miss out on the euphoria of victory when it comes through this cowardice. Baldseagull
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4:14pm Sun 19 May 13

Claude Back says...

spencer1973 wrote:
We need to give Hinchelwood and bob booker another chance....the dream team
Nightmare, more like. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]spencer1973[/bold] wrote: We need to give Hinchelwood and bob booker another chance....the dream team[/p][/quote]Nightmare, more like. ;-) Claude Back
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4:49pm Sun 19 May 13

SeagullChick says...

Lest we forget.......

Regardless of who specifically did what to whom and where according to league rules a club is responsible for the actions of its players staff and supporters

Will be interesting to see if BHA get a fine over the poodunit saga and/or whether thay can also have points deducted as a form of punishment.

Maybe (hopefully) neither of the above will materialize but it will be interesting to see how the league view the incident but cannot imagine they will not react or have something to say about it once all the details come out
Lest we forget....... Regardless of who specifically did what to whom and where according to league rules a club is responsible for the actions of its players staff and supporters Will be interesting to see if BHA get a fine over the poodunit saga and/or whether thay can also have points deducted as a form of punishment. Maybe (hopefully) neither of the above will materialize but it will be interesting to see how the league view the incident but cannot imagine they will not react or have something to say about it once all the details come out SeagullChick
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4:55pm Sun 19 May 13

SeagullChick says...

Ooops have reposted this to the poodunnit thread
Ooops have reposted this to the poodunnit thread SeagullChick
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9:26pm Sun 19 May 13

Captain Haddock says...

Baldseagull wrote:
jay316 wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote: What a week, ! from looking forward to Wembley and possible Premier league we have truly plumbed the depths, something is seriously wrong with the club, players in court, manager openly critical and courting jobs, some idiot, doing crazy things in the Palace dressing room an now splashed all over he press. whoever is responsible for man management at all levels needs sacking. TB must get a grip with all this and quick, the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.
Steveg1958 wrote: ..... the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans. ------------ I agree... sadly the conduct of a few (just a few) BHA fans was shocking, fighting amongst themselves, kicking of with stadium staff at the station (remember if the station isn't stewarded, the station can't be used), and then all issues internal, with players in court, s**t hitting the pan (in more than one way), and poyet et all.
Anti Palace feeling is not rubbish, its rivalry and it happens to be a bitter one. You have to appreciate that for some people, it is of higher importance in their lives than yours, to stuff Palace. The Club has done nothing wrong! I am not defending a disgusting mess being left in the away dressing room, but obviously it was not an official club action and the club have apologised for it. I am not aware of any apology from Crystal Palace FC, for some of their fans urinating off of the pedestrian bridge at Falmer Station onto the Brighton supporters queuing up below, last season. The only scrapping I saw Monday was on a Brighton bound train when an older Palace fan was abusing a few teenage Brighton supporters and mocking them because "their Firm didn't shown up" he then lashed out at one of them when the lad said "Come on Watford". This idiot and his two friends received just enough punishment from another Brighton supporter more their age to shut them up and make them think it wise to keep their hands to themselves, in the '80's most of the carriage would have piled into them just for being there and left them in a bloody pulp. We are moving on but it will never be handshakes and congratulations all round at the end of a Palace/Brighton fixture. I am not ashamed of my Club whatsoever, I am embarrassed by the defeat on Monday, the apparent dirty protest and that Gus seems to think we are not bigtime enough for him. I am ashamed of some of my fellow supporters for leaving the moment the second goal went in, for suggesting we should not have a rivalry with Palace and referring to those of us that feel the rivalry more keenly as mindless. I don't go to football to be intellectually stimulated, I go for the emotion, the love of my team and on Monday in particular, the chance to feel elated at turning over our rivals, at the risk of feeling depressed for days if the opposite happens. No other result has as much emotion tied to it as Brighton/Palace. Some of those that back away from the rivalry do so to protect themselves from feeling despondent if we lose, but they miss out on the euphoria of victory when it comes through this cowardice.
What an excellent post, Baldseagull. Completely sums up my view on Monday and the rivalry in general.

I couldn't imagine myself politely applauding an Albion goal against The Nigels. And I've never felt as low or deflated as last Monday, but I wouldn't erase that experience from memory if I could though....for the next victory which I believe will be comprehensive and swift (October??) will be the sweetest and most flavoursome taste of all for that earlier bad taste before it.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jay316[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: What a week, ! from looking forward to Wembley and possible Premier league we have truly plumbed the depths, something is seriously wrong with the club, players in court, manager openly critical and courting jobs, some idiot, doing crazy things in the Palace dressing room an now splashed all over he press. whoever is responsible for man management at all levels needs sacking. TB must get a grip with all this and quick, the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans.[/p][/quote]Steveg1958 wrote: ..... the fans who fought so hard for the Amex and the future need more respect and deserve better from our club. If the dressing room incident is true, its the worst thingI have experienced from my club in 45 years and just about sums up, the stupid "Anti Palace" rubbish that is spouted by some so called fans. ------------ I agree... sadly the conduct of a few (just a few) BHA fans was shocking, fighting amongst themselves, kicking of with stadium staff at the station (remember if the station isn't stewarded, the station can't be used), and then all issues internal, with players in court, s**t hitting the pan (in more than one way), and poyet et all.[/p][/quote]Anti Palace feeling is not rubbish, its rivalry and it happens to be a bitter one. You have to appreciate that for some people, it is of higher importance in their lives than yours, to stuff Palace. The Club has done nothing wrong! I am not defending a disgusting mess being left in the away dressing room, but obviously it was not an official club action and the club have apologised for it. I am not aware of any apology from Crystal Palace FC, for some of their fans urinating off of the pedestrian bridge at Falmer Station onto the Brighton supporters queuing up below, last season. The only scrapping I saw Monday was on a Brighton bound train when an older Palace fan was abusing a few teenage Brighton supporters and mocking them because "their Firm didn't shown up" he then lashed out at one of them when the lad said "Come on Watford". This idiot and his two friends received just enough punishment from another Brighton supporter more their age to shut them up and make them think it wise to keep their hands to themselves, in the '80's most of the carriage would have piled into them just for being there and left them in a bloody pulp. We are moving on but it will never be handshakes and congratulations all round at the end of a Palace/Brighton fixture. I am not ashamed of my Club whatsoever, I am embarrassed by the defeat on Monday, the apparent dirty protest and that Gus seems to think we are not bigtime enough for him. I am ashamed of some of my fellow supporters for leaving the moment the second goal went in, for suggesting we should not have a rivalry with Palace and referring to those of us that feel the rivalry more keenly as mindless. I don't go to football to be intellectually stimulated, I go for the emotion, the love of my team and on Monday in particular, the chance to feel elated at turning over our rivals, at the risk of feeling depressed for days if the opposite happens. No other result has as much emotion tied to it as Brighton/Palace. Some of those that back away from the rivalry do so to protect themselves from feeling despondent if we lose, but they miss out on the euphoria of victory when it comes through this cowardice.[/p][/quote]What an excellent post, Baldseagull. Completely sums up my view on Monday and the rivalry in general. I couldn't imagine myself politely applauding an Albion goal against The Nigels. And I've never felt as low or deflated as last Monday, but I wouldn't erase that experience from memory if I could though....for the next victory which I believe will be comprehensive and swift (October??) will be the sweetest and most flavoursome taste of all for that earlier bad taste before it. Captain Haddock
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6:34am Mon 20 May 13

jcd1972 says...

SeagullChick wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
SeagullChick wrote:
nkwbtn wrote:
Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum.

We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today.

Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.
Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon?

He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions

Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due.

Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be.

Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance.

Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season?

18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness.

Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won.

And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace?

I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.
I think Gus would respond that he did not have the money to do it his way, I am not sure, that any other manager could or could not achieve what he did with the budget he had, he wanted out, he has gone the wrong way about it, whether he was right for us at the time, we will never know.
The club must move on as quickly as possible, let the dust settle and then sit down with Gus and try to work out an exit which is best for both parties.
I dont think his budget was that meagre at all

Most incoming players came for "undisclosed" fees and collectively they must have cost a tidy sum and I cant see too many rivals having spent more than us. In any event money alone is not the answer..you need quality at value prices because this is The Championship and not Premiership and gving a huge salary to o e player will make others envious causing salaries to spiral out of control

And from sources I have inside the club the players that came in were chosen jointly by Poyet and the board.

He wanted a striker or defender he got one but if he thinks the board should fork out Premiership prices and wages for a Championship player he is delusional

The managers job is one of handling the players and getting the most out of them. He also has to work within a budget. Regardless of the size of that budget it looks clear to me this squad could still have easily made an automatic promotion spot or at leastmade the playoff final but it did not

Ask yourself this was the squad good enough to get promoted? I believe it was and the manager must assume some of the responsibility for them failing to do so and the few extra points needed could have come from a couple of matches in th seaon

We bought well and wisely and if our budget is 10 million but we get a Rooney and Van Persie for that then the budget is irrelevant because we still cant afford thir wages

You get the best you can with the money available otherwise you go broke and enter administration and get relegated and deducted points for financial failure

You cannot spend what you havent got and I see absolutely zero evidence that the Brighton board and chairman have shortchanged Poyet when it came to signings of players

They also want the Premiership but for the club whilst Poyet wants the Premiership for himself with or without the club and ht is a VERY significant difference
I agree I don't think his budget was meagre. My view is Gus made some good signings but that he and his management team have continually aimed to make themselves look good by saying the club has outperformed. I'm happy to give them credit for the good signings, why do they have to put the players down? One time which sticks in the memory is Oatway bigging up Sheffield Wednesday for a good few minutes.

The team has had consistency in 2013 and Gus was able to bring in Ulloa and Upson in January. There may be more to this than we know but I can't see why Gus was so unprofessional in telling all and sundry he wanted to leave given that the club had made some excellent signings in 2012/3 and the team was reaching its potential. Just look forward to the manager situation being resolved and hopefully we'll get the release clause money.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nkwbtn[/bold] wrote: Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum. We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today. Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.[/p][/quote]Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon? He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due. Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be. Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance. Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season? 18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness. Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won. And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace? I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.[/p][/quote]I think Gus would respond that he did not have the money to do it his way, I am not sure, that any other manager could or could not achieve what he did with the budget he had, he wanted out, he has gone the wrong way about it, whether he was right for us at the time, we will never know. The club must move on as quickly as possible, let the dust settle and then sit down with Gus and try to work out an exit which is best for both parties.[/p][/quote]I dont think his budget was that meagre at all Most incoming players came for "undisclosed" fees and collectively they must have cost a tidy sum and I cant see too many rivals having spent more than us. In any event money alone is not the answer..you need quality at value prices because this is The Championship and not Premiership and gving a huge salary to o e player will make others envious causing salaries to spiral out of control And from sources I have inside the club the players that came in were chosen jointly by Poyet and the board. He wanted a striker or defender he got one but if he thinks the board should fork out Premiership prices and wages for a Championship player he is delusional The managers job is one of handling the players and getting the most out of them. He also has to work within a budget. Regardless of the size of that budget it looks clear to me this squad could still have easily made an automatic promotion spot or at leastmade the playoff final but it did not Ask yourself this was the squad good enough to get promoted? I believe it was and the manager must assume some of the responsibility for them failing to do so and the few extra points needed could have come from a couple of matches in th seaon We bought well and wisely and if our budget is 10 million but we get a Rooney and Van Persie for that then the budget is irrelevant because we still cant afford thir wages You get the best you can with the money available otherwise you go broke and enter administration and get relegated and deducted points for financial failure You cannot spend what you havent got and I see absolutely zero evidence that the Brighton board and chairman have shortchanged Poyet when it came to signings of players They also want the Premiership but for the club whilst Poyet wants the Premiership for himself with or without the club and ht is a VERY significant difference[/p][/quote]I agree I don't think his budget was meagre. My view is Gus made some good signings but that he and his management team have continually aimed to make themselves look good by saying the club has outperformed. I'm happy to give them credit for the good signings, why do they have to put the players down? One time which sticks in the memory is Oatway bigging up Sheffield Wednesday for a good few minutes. The team has had consistency in 2013 and Gus was able to bring in Ulloa and Upson in January. There may be more to this than we know but I can't see why Gus was so unprofessional in telling all and sundry he wanted to leave given that the club had made some excellent signings in 2012/3 and the team was reaching its potential. Just look forward to the manager situation being resolved and hopefully we'll get the release clause money. jcd1972
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6:35am Mon 20 May 13

jcd1972 says...

SeagullChick wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
SeagullChick wrote:
nkwbtn wrote:
Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum.

We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today.

Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.
Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon?

He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions

Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due.

Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be.

Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance.

Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season?

18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness.

Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won.

And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace?

I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.
I think Gus would respond that he did not have the money to do it his way, I am not sure, that any other manager could or could not achieve what he did with the budget he had, he wanted out, he has gone the wrong way about it, whether he was right for us at the time, we will never know.
The club must move on as quickly as possible, let the dust settle and then sit down with Gus and try to work out an exit which is best for both parties.
I dont think his budget was that meagre at all

Most incoming players came for "undisclosed" fees and collectively they must have cost a tidy sum and I cant see too many rivals having spent more than us. In any event money alone is not the answer..you need quality at value prices because this is The Championship and not Premiership and gving a huge salary to o e player will make others envious causing salaries to spiral out of control

And from sources I have inside the club the players that came in were chosen jointly by Poyet and the board.

He wanted a striker or defender he got one but if he thinks the board should fork out Premiership prices and wages for a Championship player he is delusional

The managers job is one of handling the players and getting the most out of them. He also has to work within a budget. Regardless of the size of that budget it looks clear to me this squad could still have easily made an automatic promotion spot or at leastmade the playoff final but it did not

Ask yourself this was the squad good enough to get promoted? I believe it was and the manager must assume some of the responsibility for them failing to do so and the few extra points needed could have come from a couple of matches in th seaon

We bought well and wisely and if our budget is 10 million but we get a Rooney and Van Persie for that then the budget is irrelevant because we still cant afford thir wages

You get the best you can with the money available otherwise you go broke and enter administration and get relegated and deducted points for financial failure

You cannot spend what you havent got and I see absolutely zero evidence that the Brighton board and chairman have shortchanged Poyet when it came to signings of players

They also want the Premiership but for the club whilst Poyet wants the Premiership for himself with or without the club and ht is a VERY significant difference
I agree I don't think his budget was meagre. My view is Gus made some good signings but that he and his management team have continually aimed to make themselves look good by saying the club has outperformed. I'm happy to give them credit for the good signings, why do they have to put the players down? One time which sticks in the memory is Oatway bigging up Sheffield Wednesday for a good few minutes.

The team has had consistency in 2013 and Gus was able to bring in Ulloa and Upson in January. There may be more to this than we know but I can't see why Gus was so unprofessional in telling all and sundry he wanted to leave given that the club had made some excellent signings in 2012/3 and the team was reaching its potential. Just look forward to the manager situation being resolved and hopefully we'll get the release clause money.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nkwbtn[/bold] wrote: Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum. We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today. Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.[/p][/quote]Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon? He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due. Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be. Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance. Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season? 18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness. Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won. And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace? I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.[/p][/quote]I think Gus would respond that he did not have the money to do it his way, I am not sure, that any other manager could or could not achieve what he did with the budget he had, he wanted out, he has gone the wrong way about it, whether he was right for us at the time, we will never know. The club must move on as quickly as possible, let the dust settle and then sit down with Gus and try to work out an exit which is best for both parties.[/p][/quote]I dont think his budget was that meagre at all Most incoming players came for "undisclosed" fees and collectively they must have cost a tidy sum and I cant see too many rivals having spent more than us. In any event money alone is not the answer..you need quality at value prices because this is The Championship and not Premiership and gving a huge salary to o e player will make others envious causing salaries to spiral out of control And from sources I have inside the club the players that came in were chosen jointly by Poyet and the board. He wanted a striker or defender he got one but if he thinks the board should fork out Premiership prices and wages for a Championship player he is delusional The managers job is one of handling the players and getting the most out of them. He also has to work within a budget. Regardless of the size of that budget it looks clear to me this squad could still have easily made an automatic promotion spot or at leastmade the playoff final but it did not Ask yourself this was the squad good enough to get promoted? I believe it was and the manager must assume some of the responsibility for them failing to do so and the few extra points needed could have come from a couple of matches in th seaon We bought well and wisely and if our budget is 10 million but we get a Rooney and Van Persie for that then the budget is irrelevant because we still cant afford thir wages You get the best you can with the money available otherwise you go broke and enter administration and get relegated and deducted points for financial failure You cannot spend what you havent got and I see absolutely zero evidence that the Brighton board and chairman have shortchanged Poyet when it came to signings of players They also want the Premiership but for the club whilst Poyet wants the Premiership for himself with or without the club and ht is a VERY significant difference[/p][/quote]I agree I don't think his budget was meagre. My view is Gus made some good signings but that he and his management team have continually aimed to make themselves look good by saying the club has outperformed. I'm happy to give them credit for the good signings, why do they have to put the players down? One time which sticks in the memory is Oatway bigging up Sheffield Wednesday for a good few minutes. The team has had consistency in 2013 and Gus was able to bring in Ulloa and Upson in January. There may be more to this than we know but I can't see why Gus was so unprofessional in telling all and sundry he wanted to leave given that the club had made some excellent signings in 2012/3 and the team was reaching its potential. Just look forward to the manager situation being resolved and hopefully we'll get the release clause money. jcd1972
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5:40pm Mon 20 May 13

suede27 says...

Absolutely astonishing: Apparently Gus Poyet was the second coming only a few weeks ago - now the very same people are saying: 'I always thought the wheels would come off sooner rather than later'.

It's also staggering how almost everyone has sided with Bloom when, actually, no one really knows what's actually happened here.

Whoever the moron was behind the dirty protest - well done. It certainly contributed to a well-earned Palace victory.
Absolutely astonishing: Apparently Gus Poyet was the second coming only a few weeks ago - now the very same people are saying: 'I always thought the wheels would come off sooner rather than later'. It's also staggering how almost everyone has sided with Bloom when, actually, no one really knows what's actually happened here. Whoever the moron was behind the dirty protest - well done. It certainly contributed to a well-earned Palace victory. suede27
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11:04am Tue 21 May 13

SeagullChick says...

suede27 wrote:
Absolutely astonishing: Apparently Gus Poyet was the second coming only a few weeks ago - now the very same people are saying: 'I always thought the wheels would come off sooner rather than later'.

It's also staggering how almost everyone has sided with Bloom when, actually, no one really knows what's actually happened here.

Whoever the moron was behind the dirty protest - well done. It certainly contributed to a well-earned Palace victory.
Are you serious?

Tony Bloom has done absolutely NOTHING WRONG WHATSEVER

Furthermore he has clearly demonstrated his commitment to BHA whist GP has stated he wants to leave for the Premiership. As such you have to wonder about GP's commitment.

TB gives a guy a chance in management and that person (GP) betrays his trust by mouthing off about how he doesn't want to stay at the club behaving like a spoilt child who has thrown his toys out of the pram.

In addition he claims he wants urgent talks with the chairman straight after being beaten by C Palace and doesn't appear to accept any responsibility for those very poor performances in the playoff

All will be revealed in the fullness of time and it will clearly show that GP was in the wrong.

The managers association is currently trying to intervene in this dispute but the Chairman and board were forced into taking the action they have by GP's outburst and imo gross provocation with ill timed and inappropriate comments straight after the second Palace match
[quote][p][bold]suede27[/bold] wrote: Absolutely astonishing: Apparently Gus Poyet was the second coming only a few weeks ago - now the very same people are saying: 'I always thought the wheels would come off sooner rather than later'. It's also staggering how almost everyone has sided with Bloom when, actually, no one really knows what's actually happened here. Whoever the moron was behind the dirty protest - well done. It certainly contributed to a well-earned Palace victory.[/p][/quote]Are you serious? Tony Bloom has done absolutely NOTHING WRONG WHATSEVER Furthermore he has clearly demonstrated his commitment to BHA whist GP has stated he wants to leave for the Premiership. As such you have to wonder about GP's commitment. TB gives a guy a chance in management and that person (GP) betrays his trust by mouthing off about how he doesn't want to stay at the club behaving like a spoilt child who has thrown his toys out of the pram. In addition he claims he wants urgent talks with the chairman straight after being beaten by C Palace and doesn't appear to accept any responsibility for those very poor performances in the playoff All will be revealed in the fullness of time and it will clearly show that GP was in the wrong. The managers association is currently trying to intervene in this dispute but the Chairman and board were forced into taking the action they have by GP's outburst and imo gross provocation with ill timed and inappropriate comments straight after the second Palace match SeagullChick
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11:43am Mon 27 May 13

KeefyH44 says...

SeagullChick wrote:
nkwbtn wrote:
Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum.

We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today.

Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.
Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon?

He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions

Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due.

Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be.

Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance.

Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season?

18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness.

Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won.

And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace?

I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.
Are you for real!!!!
We finished FOURTH for crying out loud! We had the best defense in the league, made the play-offs, and finished with one of the best goal differences in the league!
What on earth do you WANT?????
[quote][p][bold]SeagullChick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nkwbtn[/bold] wrote: Its clear that not all is well at the moment and things need to be resolved quickly to the benefit of all sides but I absolutely refused to start jumping on the anti Poyet bandwagon that seems to be gaining momentum. We were going nowhere we Gus arrived and for all his faults - he and the board turned the club into what it is today. Its clear that it is now time to say goodbye but thanks Gus & Tanno for all you have for us.[/p][/quote]Why refuse to jump on the anti Poyet bandwagon? He is the one CLEARLY at fault with his tantrums and unprofessional actions Good riddance and the club was going in the right direction from the moment Tony Bloom stepped in to save the club so please give credit where it is truly due. Had TB appointed another manager it is quite possible we would still have been promoted to The Championship 2 years ago and even been in The Premiership too via an automatic spot this season but alas it was not meant to be. Poyet wasnt up to the task and has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a proven manager of any substance. Ask yourself this - did he get the most out of his squad and over or under achieve this season? 18 draws and an inability to win from behind coupled with poor away performances against the relegated clubs suggests he under achieved and now he is causing great disruption and instability through his total selfishness. Then there are the four matches where his negative tactics led to us conceding 90+ minute goals in matches we could easily have won. And what about his naivety in the playoff games against Palace? I rest my case for the prosecution.....its clear to me he was tactically inept as one would expect from someone still learning his craft but he misguidedly thinks he is ready for a Premiership club.[/p][/quote]Are you for real!!!! We finished FOURTH for crying out loud! We had the best defense in the league, made the play-offs, and finished with one of the best goal differences in the league! What on earth do you WANT????? KeefyH44
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1:07pm Mon 27 May 13

SeagullChick says...

I expected them to win and lose a larger proportion of those 18 drawn games as that equates to more points and automatic promotion

Draws are useless to any aspiring successful side and the excessive number of draws I put down to poor tactics chosen by the manager GP

In addition having not obtained an automatic playoff spot he proceeds to play a very sterile and ineffective style in the two matches against C Palace.

Do you honestly believe that fourth was the best they could have achieved? The best position they deserved?

AND do you HONESTLY believe they played as well as they could and up to their full potential against Crystal Palace?

As such BHFC "UNDERACHIEVED"

They should of and could have finished second and not fourth
I expected them to win and lose a larger proportion of those 18 drawn games as that equates to more points and automatic promotion Draws are useless to any aspiring successful side and the excessive number of draws I put down to poor tactics chosen by the manager GP In addition having not obtained an automatic playoff spot he proceeds to play a very sterile and ineffective style in the two matches against C Palace. Do you honestly believe that fourth was the best they could have achieved? The best position they deserved? AND do you HONESTLY believe they played as well as they could and up to their full potential against Crystal Palace? As such BHFC "UNDERACHIEVED" They should of and could have finished second and not fourth SeagullChick
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1:11pm Mon 27 May 13

SeagullChick says...

PS Gus Poyet cost BHFC more points throughout the season with his tactics than he won for them with his tactics

Go through each match one by one and you will see they should have automatically been promoted as they should have finished with a higher points total.

That's how I measure over/under achievement
PS Gus Poyet cost BHFC more points throughout the season with his tactics than he won for them with his tactics Go through each match one by one and you will see they should have automatically been promoted as they should have finished with a higher points total. That's how I measure over/under achievement SeagullChick
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