Albion move to keep Vicente but can't agree new deal (From The Argus)
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Albion move to keep Vicente but can't agree new deal
11:00am Wednesday 27th June 2012 in Albion By Brian Owen
Vicente is wanted by two Spanish clubs
Gus Poyet has defended Albion’s decision to extend Vicente’s contract for a year – but admitted they have so far failed to agree a new deal.
The Seagulls last night issued a brief statement to announce they were taking up their one-year option on the former Valencia playmaker.
Poyet expects him to return in time for Monday, when pre-season training resumes in earnest.
The Albion boss said in April Vicente would not be held to the extra year but has put a change in tack down to the club’s efforts to agree new terms.
Vicente dazzled in the Championship last season after signing in September for the remainder of the campaign with the club retaining an option for the following year.
Albion were hoping to make a big announcement about his future this summer.
Instead, amid little fanfare, they last night reported they had exercised that option.
Second-tier Spanish sides Elche and Villarreal both want to sign Vicente, who would have been out of contract this weekend.
Now Albion have extended that agreement until June 30, 2013, and say they look forward to him teaming up with close friend and former Valencia colleague Bruno, who met the media at The Amex yesterday.
Poyet said: “We were trying to negotiate a new contract and unfortunately we couldn’t agree so we needed to activate the option. That is common sense.
“We want Vicente to play for the club.
“There is a contract signed and we wanted to offer him a new one.
“We could have exercised the option on the day we finished the league last season and then renegotiated it.
“We did it this way around because we thought we had a great chance to negotiate the new contract by now.
“It’s a timing thing more than anything else.
“It would have been amazing to say ‘Vicente is staying and he has signed a new contract’.
“Instead it didn’t happen so we have to say the other news which is still amazing – but not as amazing as everybody would have liked!”
Asked if he expected to see Vicente at training next week, Poyet replied: “Of course. Why not?”
The Albion boss admits Bruno’s arrival is no guarantee his former Valencia colleague will follow.
The Seagulls boss added: “We will see what happens in the next few days."
Comments(51)
woodeanseagull
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11:06am Wed 27 Jun 12
gordongull
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11:17am Wed 27 Jun 12
woodeanseagull wrote:Maybe so, but it looks messy.
Would i be right by saying: If the Albion hadn't invoked this contract clause by 1st July, Vicente would have become a free agent. Now if he moves to another club, it would be subject to a transfer fee?
I hope that behind-the-scenes dialogue is more diplomatic than it appears on the surface.
the taffster
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11:21am Wed 27 Jun 12
dave from bexill
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11:34am Wed 27 Jun 12
Rhodes Seagull
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11:35am Wed 27 Jun 12
Would rather see him go to play in Spain than to see him sitting on the bench with a long face.
rolivan
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11:37am Wed 27 Jun 12
Yorkieseagull
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11:45am Wed 27 Jun 12
fretlessbass
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12:05pm Wed 27 Jun 12
GosportGull
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12:12pm Wed 27 Jun 12
klemaniac
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12:20pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Ken in Spain
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12:27pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Dr Baldhead
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12:48pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Isn't that Fran Sandaza'a role in life? :)
jackjessmax
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12:49pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Yorkieseagull wrote:He's a **** good player when he plays, but he's not the messiah.
I won't be surprised if his old niggles, strains and tweaks come back to render him unfit to play regular games. At Valencia he managed to confound the medical staff who were unable to diagnose his injuries towards the end of his contract. If he has to be dragged kicking and screaming back for pre-season I fear we will spend this season reading about medical updates rather than fantastic displays of skill. Brilliant he may be, but Gus should not be held hostage over this if Vicente is not fully committed.
We've just seen England struggle with a team apparently built round WR who didn't perform.
A good gambler will hedge their bets, so loss of Vicente would not be the worst thing in the world, more a disappointment, and probably leave the wages budget in better shape, too. Be great to have hime, fit and committed, though.
HOVEPARKRESIDENT
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12:52pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Like any old boyfriend/girlfriend who doesn't want to be with you there comes a time when you have to split up and move on for the good of everybody. Now that time has come. There's plenty more fish in the sea and all that. It may break your heart but time is a great healer and you will get over it!
mikeygit
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1:12pm Wed 27 Jun 12
mark5
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1:18pm Wed 27 Jun 12
HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote:Completely agree with all of this. My anxiety as posted yesterday, looks well founded. If he is forced to stay (which I doubt) the old injury problems will surface and he will sit out and take the money. Time to look for another midfield creative player quickly!
He obviously doesn't really want to be here otherwise he would have simply signed a new contract. He's waiting for a better offer.
Like any old boyfriend/girlfriend who doesn't want to be with you there comes a time when you have to split up and move on for the good of everybody. Now that time has come. There's plenty more fish in the sea and all that. It may break your heart but time is a great healer and you will get over it!
mark5
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1:18pm Wed 27 Jun 12
HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote:Completely agree with all of this. My anxiety as posted yesterday, looks well founded. If he is forced to stay (which I doubt) the old injury problems will surface and he will sit out and take the money. Time to look for another midfield creative player quickly!
He obviously doesn't really want to be here otherwise he would have simply signed a new contract. He's waiting for a better offer.
Like any old boyfriend/girlfriend who doesn't want to be with you there comes a time when you have to split up and move on for the good of everybody. Now that time has come. There's plenty more fish in the sea and all that. It may break your heart but time is a great healer and you will get over it!
Rhodes Seagull
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1:23pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Dr Baldhead wrote:Na!! he went to play in the Scottish prem with St Johnstone and knocked in 17 goals in the league.
Rhodes Seagull says: "Would rather see him go to play in Spain than to see him sitting on the bench with a long face.”
Isn't that Fran Sandaza'a role in life? :)
Joe Gatting's Dad
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1:35pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Hovite
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1:42pm Wed 27 Jun 12
mark5 wrote:How can you agree with the residue Mark5. He is implying that Vicente is like an ex girlfriend.
HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote:Completely agree with all of this. My anxiety as posted yesterday, looks well founded. If he is forced to stay (which I doubt) the old injury problems will surface and he will sit out and take the money. Time to look for another midfield creative player quickly!
He obviously doesn't really want to be here otherwise he would have simply signed a new contract. He's waiting for a better offer.
Like any old boyfriend/girlfriend who doesn't want to be with you there comes a time when you have to split up and move on for the good of everybody. Now that time has come. There's plenty more fish in the sea and all that. It may break your heart but time is a great healer and you will get over it!
Great news if he stays but certainly won't break my heart if he goes.
However if you have just had a recent relationship break up and you need consoling then I am sure the residue is your man. ;o)
ballantrrae
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1:48pm Wed 27 Jun 12
rolivan wrote:Rolivan, I think you have probably hit the nail on the head.
AGENTS.
BHA taking up the one option must strengthen the club's position since otherwise having 'got him fit' he could have joined another club and we would have received sweet FA.
AS Fretlessbass says there's a reasonable chance he won't stay and at least we should get some funds towards signing a replacement.
I trust as another poster says that we are monitoring the Rangers situation.
Tommy11
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1:50pm Wed 27 Jun 12
batray
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2:00pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Tony the tiger eastbourne
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2:04pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Tony the tiger eastbourne
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2:06pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Dr Baldhead
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2:09pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Rhodes Seagull wrote:Irony is lost on this site sometimes. Joke... long face....Fran Sandaza no?
Dr Baldhead wrote:Na!! he went to play in the Scottish prem with St Johnstone and knocked in 17 goals in the league.
Rhodes Seagull says: "Would rather see him go to play in Spain than to see him sitting on the bench with a long face.”
Isn't that Fran Sandaza'a role in life? :)
mark by the sea
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2:27pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Rhodes Seagull
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2:42pm Wed 27 Jun 12
ballantrrae
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3:30pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Rhodes Seagull wrote:Lucky Rhodes Seagull you weren't already travelling back for Sunday Lunch when the announcement was made.
All day been reading the comments and checking the official site for an update on the Vicente saga and at last on the official there is some news and I quote " Sunday Lunches are not available at the Amex this Sunday..."
pte
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3:49pm Wed 27 Jun 12
dave from bexill
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4:02pm Wed 27 Jun 12
pte wrote:Good points pte, but until the club let us know all the details (and we may never find out every reason for the delay) then everything is pure speculation
I don't think we ought to get our knickers in a twist over this. I can understand Vinnie's position. He's probably happy to come back but as he only has a few years left is unsure about committing to Brighton for 2 or 3 years. He wants to know what division we'll be in 2 years time and will Gus still be here? If we get promoted he will have done his job and at the same time more likely to renew the contract then. Don't worry about it till it happens
bruce beckett
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4:02pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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4:23pm Wed 27 Jun 12
woodeanseagull wrote:That's certainly my reading of it. IF I was a terrible pessimist I'd say that Vicente wants away so we're doing what we can to protect our interests. But I'm not a terrible pessimist, so I'll just say 'Hmmm'.
Would i be right by saying: If the Albion hadn't invoked this contract clause by 1st July, Vicente would have become a free agent. Now if he moves to another club, it would be subject to a transfer fee?
gordongull
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4:57pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Albion boss Gus Poyet will leave it to Vicente to decide if he wants to stay or go.
Albion signed Vicente in a one-year deal just after the start of the season.
They have an option to keep the former Valencia playmaker for longer but Poyet revealed to The Argus: "I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay, because he's too good and because maybe he deserves to be playing at a better level.''
This is in stark contrast to the quote from Gus in the above article:
“We were trying to negotiate a new contract and unfortunately we couldn’t agree so we needed to activate the option''.
It seems to me that Gus has been over-ruled by his superiors at the Club, as he is a great advocate of not standing in the way of players wanting to follow their ambitions.
I don't recognise Gus's 'modus operandi' in any of this, and such a reversal is unprecedented.
The strategy could backfire if other clubs lose interest on learning of a fee, and we are left paying the wages of a frustrated and disillusioned player until this time next year.
hannover seagull
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5:03pm Wed 27 Jun 12
mark by the sea wrote:Agreed
point is Gus did what he had to do.. if Vicente wants to play in spain, then someone has to buy him, Imagine mondays news we had chance to hold him to his contract he signed? but let him walk! Gus did the right thing, all thats needed is to sort his issues out, ie more time in spain, and cash. then when thats done Vicente will come out saying " i wanted to stay, it was my mrs having baby that caused the confusion.. I love it here"
The only thing we know for sure is that the contract has been extented whether amicably or not remains to be seen at least we have our safety net in place
Think back to the end of last year when Vicentes appearances were so seldom because of injurys etc that someone famously posted on here that they thought he was a hologram, then look at the transformation after the new medical team had worked with him
TB and Gus have invested heavily in this player in both time and money and came under a lot of criticism for doing so at the time as I remember
It is only right that they want to protect an asset they have nurtured back to fitness and looked after before the agents get him back on a free
I only got over for four games last season and was lucky enough to see him play and have to say he is something special
Lets hope this gets sorted quickly
so we can move on
MrHove
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5:17pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Vicente is a great player but with great players come ego's and I get the feeling Vincente's ego will be the decision maker. No player is bigger then any club and without Vincete Brighton will carry on progressing.
Carter_Cooldancer
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5:41pm Wed 27 Jun 12
1. Vicente originally told Gus he would sign a new contract but has since gone cold, probably due to the interest from Villereal. So Gus is probably annoyed at his turnaround. After all, we saw how Gus reacted with Calderon.
2. The club are resigned to losing him, so activated the clause so they get a decent sum of money as a transfer fee, or Vicente buys out the clause. Either way, Brighton recoup some of the money they invested in him last year (lots of medical fees and wages when not playing).
I said at the end of last season I can't see him playing another game for the Albion, and I have no reason to change that view yet. But I hope I am wrong.
If he doesn't play for us, it isn't the end if the world, as has been said, we move on and get someone else.
mark by the sea
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5:51pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Carter_Cooldancer wrote:sorry dont agree, Vicente signed a contract knowing the Albion (not Gus) could extend his contract into another year, so they have, I dont think the club and player are that far apart.. Gus may be doing his job and thats working for the benefit of this club..
I reckon that Gus and the club have gone back on their end of season statement (not going to enforce the extra year) for two reasons. 1. Vicente originally told Gus he would sign a new contract but has since gone cold, probably due to the interest from Villereal. So Gus is probably annoyed at his turnaround. After all, we saw how Gus reacted with Calderon. 2. The club are resigned to losing him, so activated the clause so they get a decent sum of money as a transfer fee, or Vicente buys out the clause. Either way, Brighton recoup some of the money they invested in him last year (lots of medical fees and wages when not playing). I said at the end of last season I can't see him playing another game for the Albion, and I have no reason to change that view yet. But I hope I am wrong. If he doesn't play for us, it isn't the end if the world, as has been said, we move on and get someone else.
gordongull
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6:19pm Wed 27 Jun 12
The medical team and facilities are in place whether Vicente is there or not, so the outlay probably ammounts to about twenty five quid on prescriptions.
fairweathersupporter
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6:33pm Wed 27 Jun 12
mark by the sea wrote:The club is a business and Vicente is an asset. If it doesn't work out, i think Gus will be a little bit put out as he has publicly stated more than once that he wants to build a side around him etc etc. But i agree that the club had no choice but to protect their asset and any other course would have been bad business.
Carter_Cooldancer wrote:sorry dont agree, Vicente signed a contract knowing the Albion (not Gus) could extend his contract into another year, so they have, I dont think the club and player are that far apart.. Gus may be doing his job and thats working for the benefit of this club..
I reckon that Gus and the club have gone back on their end of season statement (not going to enforce the extra year) for two reasons. 1. Vicente originally told Gus he would sign a new contract but has since gone cold, probably due to the interest from Villereal. So Gus is probably annoyed at his turnaround. After all, we saw how Gus reacted with Calderon. 2. The club are resigned to losing him, so activated the clause so they get a decent sum of money as a transfer fee, or Vicente buys out the clause. Either way, Brighton recoup some of the money they invested in him last year (lots of medical fees and wages when not playing). I said at the end of last season I can't see him playing another game for the Albion, and I have no reason to change that view yet. But I hope I am wrong. If he doesn't play for us, it isn't the end if the world, as has been said, we move on and get someone else.
rolivan
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6:48pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Baldseagull
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7:36pm Wed 27 Jun 12
MC Toni
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8:14pm Wed 27 Jun 12
pte
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8:31pm Wed 27 Jun 12
He wont throw his toys out the pram because he's a man so don't worry
Hovite
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8:34pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Dave in Hastings
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8:51pm Wed 27 Jun 12
bruce beckett wrote:You're a pessimist. :-)
Call me a pessimist but I can't see this saga ending well. Vicente clearly is not committed to playing for us next season, but now there could be a problem with him joining another club as we will be demanding a fee. I don't know how big that fee will be but, given his recent fitness issues, he is going to be a much more attractive option to other clubs if he's on a free. I guess he could now feel that Gus has reneged on his promise not to hold him to the club option and that Brighton are now standing in his way. I really hope it can be sorted out amicably, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to read on Monday that Vicente has failed to turn up to training. Hope I'm wrong.
WiseOldSeagull
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9:52pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Our intentions were to reach an amicable agreement but this has not been possible.
There are a few that assume GP is calling the shots on contracts. I can assure you that he is not. He has input but the business of the club is in the hands of the major shareholders.
Vince
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11:10pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Swap Vicente for Holt.
It's about time Norwich gave us something back (other than peanuts) for our best players.
In view of all the patience and help given by Gus to Vicente last season to restore his fitness, I feel that morally, Vicente owes the club. The failure to negotiate a new contract (which Gus was obviously confident of - probably because of an "understanding" with Vicente) is one good reason for Gus feeling annoyed and invoking the the clause to retain him for another year.
I don't think he would be so quick to say that he was keeping him, if he wasn't annoyed that his previous forecasts of an almost done deal proved to be a false dawn.
There's one thing you can't fault Gus for, and that is his honesty.
mikeygit
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10:20am Thu 28 Jun 12
I will put my penny's worth and say I believe the sticking point is The Family. His wife has just had a child, the Spanish--as I said before---are very family orientated, her mother is close by and would not want her new grandchild whisked off to England as soon as its born. Vincente therefore has these issues to clear up, and the Club could not wait. If and when he returns for training---and we shall see-- more of this story will come to light.
I remember not so long ago all the talk was about Lua Lua!!! I hope Vicente comes back and links up well with his mate Bruno. Be a shame if Gus got Bruno here to 'sit well' with Vicente and then Vicente stays in Spain. But we have to move on whatever the outcome.
No more to say on the subject---until more news from the Club.
tug509
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12:19pm Thu 28 Jun 12
batray wrote:Do we really want someone who stabbed us in the back for east croyden?
I see there is a rumour Glenn Murray coming back - that would be amazing !
gordongull says...
11:05am Wed 27 Jun 12