Taxi rank plan for Brighton Station opposed as ‘disaster’

The Argus: Proposals will see taxis moved away from the front of Brighton Station to Frederick Place Proposals will see taxis moved away from the front of Brighton Station to Frederick Place

Dozens of people have signed a petition against taxi rank plans.

As part of its wider strategy to improve the Brighton Station area, Brighton and Hove City Council has proposed licensed hackney carriages wait in Frederick Place, Brighton.

So far 130 people have signed the petition on the local authority’s website claiming it will lead to increased traffic congestion and air pollution.

It adds: “North Laine should remain a conservation area, not become a disaster area.”

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10:04am Tue 8 Jan 13

StyleCop says...

Nonsense.


A single sentence with no rational argument is a poor alternative solution...

What is being proposed will make the station gateway will make for a better, more welcoming experience for all those exiting and entering the city.

The current situation is terrible I wouldn't go as far to say a disaster, but it's not exactly a nice experience for all users.

The section of the laines being cited as becoming a 'distaster' area - is currently a rat-run, with very little character or anything of value to the wider community - (apologies to any of the offices that front/back onto frederick place)

Dozens of protesters?

A Disaster?

Come on! Pull the other one!
Nonsense. A single sentence with no rational argument is a poor alternative solution... What is being proposed will make the station gateway will make for a better, more welcoming experience for all those exiting and entering the city. The current situation is terrible I wouldn't go as far to say a disaster, but it's not exactly a nice experience for all users. The section of the laines being cited as becoming a 'distaster' area - is currently a rat-run, with very little character or anything of value to the wider community - (apologies to any of the offices that front/back onto frederick place) Dozens of protesters? A Disaster? Come on! Pull the other one! StyleCop

10:44am Tue 8 Jan 13

Fresh air says...

Another provocative headline from The Argus which isn't substantiated in the story. It undermines the credibility of the story and of the paper.
Another provocative headline from The Argus which isn't substantiated in the story. It undermines the credibility of the story and of the paper. Fresh air

10:53am Tue 8 Jan 13

Siboloy says...

It looked like a decent proposal to me and would potentially free up the front of the station. This may also give the busses a bit more space freeing up the road.
It looked like a decent proposal to me and would potentially free up the front of the station. This may also give the busses a bit more space freeing up the road. Siboloy

11:06am Tue 8 Jan 13

Mr. Mann. says...

Makes sense - the buses will be able to load easier - the mass numbers going in and out oif the station wont be held up by the sometimes large queues at the rank.

At least I will be able to cross the road outside the train station without having to double and triple check that there isn't a taxi jumping the lights.

Can't help but think that a protest to move something 500 steps away seems a little pointless.
Makes sense - the buses will be able to load easier - the mass numbers going in and out oif the station wont be held up by the sometimes large queues at the rank. At least I will be able to cross the road outside the train station without having to double and triple check that there isn't a taxi jumping the lights. Can't help but think that a protest to move something 500 steps away seems a little pointless. Mr. Mann.

11:09am Tue 8 Jan 13

GraemeDavis says...

Frederick Place is a southbound one-way street. I understand that the plan is to have the head of the taxi rank at the south end (so that the queue of taxis doesn't block Trafalgar Street). This would mean people leaving the station and needing a taxi would have to walk to the Gloucester Road end of Frederick Place. As many taxi users are disabled this does seem to be a problem. Additionally it puts the taxi rank head well away from the station, out in the elements and at a different level to the station. It does seem like a bad idea.
Frederick Place is a southbound one-way street. I understand that the plan is to have the head of the taxi rank at the south end (so that the queue of taxis doesn't block Trafalgar Street). This would mean people leaving the station and needing a taxi would have to walk to the Gloucester Road end of Frederick Place. As many taxi users are disabled this does seem to be a problem. Additionally it puts the taxi rank head well away from the station, out in the elements and at a different level to the station. It does seem like a bad idea. GraemeDavis

11:42am Tue 8 Jan 13

Surely not! says...

Gosh who are you lot? Sane rational comments both for and against the proposal. As to the petition, any one who uses disaster in this context is being hysterical.
Gosh who are you lot? Sane rational comments both for and against the proposal. As to the petition, any one who uses disaster in this context is being hysterical. Surely not!

11:44am Tue 8 Jan 13

D360 says...

Frederick place is hardly a conservation area and any plan to remove the untidy scattering of taxis blocking the junction and cluttering up the whole station front has my support
Frederick place is hardly a conservation area and any plan to remove the untidy scattering of taxis blocking the junction and cluttering up the whole station front has my support D360

11:53am Tue 8 Jan 13

StyleCop says...

GraemeDavis wrote:
Frederick Place is a southbound one-way street. I understand that the plan is to have the head of the taxi rank at the south end (so that the queue of taxis doesn't block Trafalgar Street). This would mean people leaving the station and needing a taxi would have to walk to the Gloucester Road end of Frederick Place. As many taxi users are disabled this does seem to be a problem. Additionally it puts the taxi rank head well away from the station, out in the elements and at a different level to the station. It does seem like a bad idea.
:P

No. That's not right Graeme.

The flow of direction is to be reversed on Frederick Place, so the rank faces northbound, entering from Queens Road with an approach from Upper Gloucester Road.

Taxis then file up along Frederick Place, turning left UNDER the bridge @ Trafalgar street (passing the newly proposed lift exit from the Station level next to the toy museum) - If I've read it correctly, this is the pick up point, (essentially, under the station concourse) giving taxis exits to the city via Terminus road, Guildford Road or Queens Road.

There's a small 2-3 taxi set down point on the upper level, in front of the bus 'station'.

The solution is well thought out, giving all traffic (foot and wheeled) their own dedicated approaches and exits, without compromising each others access.

It's very far from a bad idea...
[quote][p][bold]GraemeDavis[/bold] wrote: Frederick Place is a southbound one-way street. I understand that the plan is to have the head of the taxi rank at the south end (so that the queue of taxis doesn't block Trafalgar Street). This would mean people leaving the station and needing a taxi would have to walk to the Gloucester Road end of Frederick Place. As many taxi users are disabled this does seem to be a problem. Additionally it puts the taxi rank head well away from the station, out in the elements and at a different level to the station. It does seem like a bad idea.[/p][/quote]:P No. That's not right Graeme. The flow of direction is to be reversed on Frederick Place, so the rank faces northbound, entering from Queens Road with an approach from Upper Gloucester Road. Taxis then file up along Frederick Place, turning left UNDER the bridge @ Trafalgar street (passing the newly proposed lift exit from the Station level next to the toy museum) - If I've read it correctly, this is the pick up point, (essentially, under the station concourse) giving taxis exits to the city via Terminus road, Guildford Road or Queens Road. There's a small 2-3 taxi set down point on the upper level, in front of the bus 'station'. The solution is well thought out, giving all traffic (foot and wheeled) their own dedicated approaches and exits, without compromising each others access. It's very far from a bad idea... StyleCop

12:03pm Tue 8 Jan 13

StyleCop says...

The argument from the lobby claiming it will effect the north laines is saying that the rank can only have 15 vehicles lined up along Frederick place, I've not counted how many get stacked up in/around the current congested zone directly in front of the station, but I suspect that there's around that many.

Plus they're claiming it will add to the congestion in the north laines, which is nonsense, as Taxis dropping off at the station will approach from Terminus road, Queens road, upper Gloucester Road... and possibly up Trafalgar street, but I doubt that that will have that great an impact to Over Street, Kemp Street and Trafalgar Lane.

Knee Jerk Reactionary poppy **** with no ration basis or alternative solution.

The Area around the station is what it is, and we have what we have to work with... and I'm very impressed with this proposed solution as I'd been racking my brains for months trying to figure out how to solve it...

Simply switching the flow of direction on Frederick place was a master stroke...

This plan will work and the sooner it's implemented the better.

I can't wait for the proposed market where the current taxi rank currently is.

What a great opportunity for local enterprise.
The argument from the lobby claiming it will effect the north laines is saying that the rank can only have 15 vehicles lined up along Frederick place, I've not counted how many get stacked up in/around the current congested zone directly in front of the station, but I suspect that there's around that many. Plus they're claiming it will add to the congestion in the north laines, which is nonsense, as Taxis dropping off at the station will approach from Terminus road, Queens road, upper Gloucester Road... and possibly up Trafalgar street, but I doubt that that will have that great an impact to Over Street, Kemp Street and Trafalgar Lane. Knee Jerk Reactionary poppy **** with no ration basis or alternative solution. The Area around the station is what it is, and we have what we have to work with... and I'm very impressed with this proposed solution as I'd been racking my brains for months trying to figure out how to solve it... Simply switching the flow of direction on Frederick place was a master stroke... This plan will work and the sooner it's implemented the better. I can't wait for the proposed market where the current taxi rank currently is. What a great opportunity for local enterprise. StyleCop

1:02pm Tue 8 Jan 13

bus nut says...

where can we go to show support for this wonderful scheme anything to get the taxis to stop blocking surrey street ,terminas road and the front of the station its an accident waiting to happen in its current form .. But what are the police doing to stop this ???? Nothing
where can we go to show support for this wonderful scheme anything to get the taxis to stop blocking surrey street ,terminas road and the front of the station its an accident waiting to happen in its current form .. But what are the police doing to stop this ???? Nothing bus nut

1:34pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Bob_The_Ferret says...

Presumably Ian Davey & chums will be ignoring the views of any taxi drivers, and indeed taxi passengers, who will now have to queue out in the open with no shelter to wait for taxis.

What many people also probably don't realise is that the latest proposals with the one way direction reversed on Frederick Place also include blocking off Trafalgar Street to normal traffic with the tiny Trafalgar Lane then being the only route get through to North Road to exit the North Laine area westbound. However, remembering last time the council trialled a one way restriction in Trafalgar Street, it was almost completely ignored because it was too restrictive.

If it is really necessary for taxi users to be forced out of the station, why don't they consider using the largely vacant area around the arches to the east of the station, which could be used without having to mess up the road layout and access to everyone else?
Presumably Ian Davey & chums will be ignoring the views of any taxi drivers, and indeed taxi passengers, who will now have to queue out in the open with no shelter to wait for taxis. What many people also probably don't realise is that the latest proposals with the one way direction reversed on Frederick Place also include blocking off Trafalgar Street to normal traffic with the tiny Trafalgar Lane then being the only route get through to North Road to exit the North Laine area westbound. However, remembering last time the council trialled a one way restriction in Trafalgar Street, it was almost completely ignored because it was too restrictive. If it is really necessary for taxi users to be forced out of the station, why don't they consider using the largely vacant area around the arches to the east of the station, which could be used without having to mess up the road layout and access to everyone else? Bob_The_Ferret

2:44pm Tue 8 Jan 13

StyleCop says...

Hey bob, That thought had occured to me too - it does make a lot of sense, it'd require some remodelling in front of that wine place - but a I think the bigger problem is the access to that area, (from Fleet Street) if not the area itself is private property... (according to signage located around it) - so I suspect that's largely the reason it's not been included as part of the proposal.
Hey bob, That thought had occured to me too - it does make a lot of sense, it'd require some remodelling in front of that wine place - but a I think the bigger problem is the access to that area, (from Fleet Street) if not the area itself is private property... (according to signage located around it) - so I suspect that's largely the reason it's not been included as part of the proposal. StyleCop

3:58pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Purple55 says...

Speaking as someone who frequently suffers with feet problems resulting in an inability to walk far, having to walk away from the station to get a taxi is a nightmare for people such as myself. Those with disabilities are going to find it even more difficult, especially considering wheelchair users. A lift exit is mentioned but this is adding just another degree of effort/difficulty in getting a cab. A lift will have limited capacity and will create queues of people waiting to use it, another bottleneck. Also having to walk outside in inclement weather is not ideal to the newly arrived traveller, most notably business people; you know, the ones that we're trying to attract into our town. It's taken as standard in many towns that taxi ranks are within 'spitting distance' of stations. good PR for visitors. Why does B'ton with its elevated (up-its-own-arse) status deem it not necessary to cater to both visitors and residents alike? Btw StyleCop there are usually well in excess of 15 cabs waiting in/around the station forecourt, so there will be a longer queue than you reckon along Frederick Place/Trafalgar Street which is bound to tail off into surrounding roads. It's this that bothers the North Laines' brigade, understandably so.

Another point from the the taxi side is what will happen to those that pay the station for using the current waiting area (in excess of £400p.a. at the moment)? Will they get refunded, will they still be charged for waiting in public streets? The current charge at least limits to some degree the amount of taxis that can park there, i.e. only those with station permits. With the proposed scheme, it will become an open rank meaning that anyone can join in, which will inevitably lead to more taxis waiting in this area being an advantageous collection point.

re. pick up point in Trafalgar Street – this will result in taxis parked up with engines turning over facing UP a hill. This will lead to increased fume emissions, especially bad when in a confined area, i.e. under the bridge (if I've understood that correctly), rather contradictory for a so-called 'green' town. The emissions will be worse than under the current forecourt area as the cars will be working harder due to being on a hill. Plus will create further wear and tear on the taxis themselves, something that's costly being in a hilly town, this will add further costs to an already suffering trade. Also, to have taxis pulling out of the top of Trafalgar directly onto Terminus Rd will make this dangerous hotspot even more harzardous when considering the buses – the 'temporary' bus-stop outside Grand Central is a shining example of stupendously stupid planners! Stand there for 15mins and the whole problem is glaringly obvious. We should rename B'ton to Bottleneck City!

Questions: 1) where are people meant to queue whilst waiting? At the top of Trafalgar, half way down, or in Frederick Place? All places that will create pedestrian congestion (and overflow into roads) especially when the main trains come in often creating queues in excess of 50 bodies. Will those of us that use Trafalgar as a walkthrough be forced to walk into the road to get around the queuers? 2) What's proposed for the current cycle lane? Will that be removed to create space for taxis or will queuers have to cross the path to get into taxis? I can see tears…

Finally, why on earth do we need a market outside the station?The usual town planning (and health & safety) headset is to get people away from public transport areas, not keep them in the way of people attempting to travel. People will exit the station with suitcases et al, then have to find their way through stalls and shoppers, even more tempers will become frayed.

The most logical solution is move the taxi rank to the rear of the station. Not ideal as have to walk through the station (current layout) to get there, yet far more preferential than walking outside, hitting the elements and having to wait in an open road. It's the greed of the station preventing this as they prefer to get the easy parking fees currently collected, yet there is a huge space there that, with good planning, could cover all necessary requirements.
Speaking as someone who frequently suffers with feet problems resulting in an inability to walk far, having to walk away from the station to get a taxi is a nightmare for people such as myself. Those with disabilities are going to find it even more difficult, especially considering wheelchair users. A lift exit is mentioned but this is adding just another degree of effort/difficulty in getting a cab. A lift will have limited capacity and will create queues of people waiting to use it, another bottleneck. Also having to walk outside in inclement weather is not ideal to the newly arrived traveller, most notably business people; you know, the ones that we're trying to attract into our town. It's taken as standard in many towns that taxi ranks are within 'spitting distance' of stations. good PR for visitors. Why does B'ton with its elevated (up-its-own-arse) status deem it not necessary to cater to both visitors and residents alike? Btw StyleCop there are usually well in excess of 15 cabs waiting in/around the station forecourt, so there will be a longer queue than you reckon along Frederick Place/Trafalgar Street which is bound to tail off into surrounding roads. It's this that bothers the North Laines' brigade, understandably so. Another point from the the taxi side is what will happen to those that pay the station for using the current waiting area (in excess of £400p.a. at the moment)? Will they get refunded, will they still be charged for waiting in public streets? The current charge at least limits to some degree the amount of taxis that can park there, i.e. only those with station permits. With the proposed scheme, it will become an open rank meaning that anyone can join in, which will inevitably lead to more taxis waiting in this area being an advantageous collection point. re. pick up point in Trafalgar Street – this will result in taxis parked up with engines turning over facing UP a hill. This will lead to increased fume emissions, especially bad when in a confined area, i.e. under the bridge (if I've understood that correctly), rather contradictory for a so-called 'green' town. The emissions will be worse than under the current forecourt area as the cars will be working harder due to being on a hill. Plus will create further wear and tear on the taxis themselves, something that's costly being in a hilly town, this will add further costs to an already suffering trade. Also, to have taxis pulling out of the top of Trafalgar directly onto Terminus Rd will make this dangerous hotspot even more harzardous when considering the buses – the 'temporary' bus-stop outside Grand Central is a shining example of stupendously stupid planners! Stand there for 15mins and the whole problem is glaringly obvious. We should rename B'ton to Bottleneck City! Questions: 1) where are people meant to queue whilst waiting? At the top of Trafalgar, half way down, or in Frederick Place? All places that will create pedestrian congestion (and overflow into roads) especially when the main trains come in often creating queues in excess of 50 bodies. Will those of us that use Trafalgar as a walkthrough be forced to walk into the road to get around the queuers? 2) What's proposed for the current cycle lane? Will that be removed to create space for taxis or will queuers have to cross the path to get into taxis? I can see tears… Finally, why on earth do we need a market outside the station?The usual town planning (and health & safety) headset is to get people away from public transport areas, not keep them in the way of people attempting to travel. People will exit the station with suitcases et al, then have to find their way through stalls and shoppers, even more tempers will become frayed. The most logical solution is move the taxi rank to the rear of the station. Not ideal as have to walk through the station (current layout) to get there, yet far more preferential than walking outside, hitting the elements and having to wait in an open road. It's the greed of the station preventing this as they prefer to get the easy parking fees currently collected, yet there is a huge space there that, with good planning, could cover all necessary requirements. Purple55

4:27pm Tue 8 Jan 13

StyleCop says...

All valid points Purple55 - thanks for the clarity on the numbers BTW :)

I find it strange you're willing to walk the length of the platform to the rear of the station in order to get a cab, when I believe the location being discussed, at the front, is closer?

I was mistaken on the cab rank being under the bridge, it's not, that's a waiting area, the actual pick up point/lane is directly in front of the railings where the bus depot is atm.

Due to a reduction in lanes on the road side, this grants more space for buses and cabs to share the same space, the exits of these lanes being where the taxis currently enter the station now...

This means all cabs have to exit onto queens road and around the proposed gyratory, as the current temporary setup that is in place.

I think the point about the market is valid, however, as a frequent user of the station - I often find myself wanting to pick up something on the way home (for supper), or on the way to work (for elevenses) - the fruit/veg, baked goods and the ubiquitous coffee vendors make for a good option - and I do feel it will be good for local commerce. That said, you're right about people coming and going and this potentially being a hindrance.

Regarding waiting areas, I beleive the idea is to provide external shelters for both bus users and taxis, there was talk of opening up the frontage of the station but that required consultation with Heritage Depts... there's potential to provide a new modern glazed section that's provides a seamless projection beyond the current glazed frontage... although that will be very expensive... but will go a fair way to answering you concerns.
All valid points Purple55 - thanks for the clarity on the numbers BTW :) I find it strange you're willing to walk the length of the platform to the rear of the station in order to get a cab, when I believe the location being discussed, at the front, is closer? I was mistaken on the cab rank being under the bridge, it's not, that's a waiting area, the actual pick up point/lane is directly in front of the railings where the bus depot is atm. Due to a reduction in lanes on the road side, this grants more space for buses and cabs to share the same space, the exits of these lanes being where the taxis currently enter the station now... This means all cabs have to exit onto queens road and around the proposed gyratory, as the current temporary setup that is in place. I think the point about the market is valid, however, as a frequent user of the station - I often find myself wanting to pick up something on the way home (for supper), or on the way to work (for elevenses) - the fruit/veg, baked goods and the ubiquitous coffee vendors make for a good option - and I do feel it will be good for local commerce. That said, you're right about people coming and going and this potentially being a hindrance. Regarding waiting areas, I beleive the idea is to provide external shelters for both bus users and taxis, there was talk of opening up the frontage of the station but that required consultation with Heritage Depts... there's potential to provide a new modern glazed section that's provides a seamless projection beyond the current glazed frontage... although that will be very expensive... but will go a fair way to answering you concerns. StyleCop

6:02pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Purple55 says...

Thankyou for the clarification StyleCop. Some of my remarks are obsolete in view of that, especially the walking distance. Pickup where bus depot now is will actually be good news and satisfies various points that i don't need to highlight as covered as 'complaints' in my previous post.

However, how will the taxis get to that pick-up point? Are they to queue along Frederick, up Trafalgar, then sharp left turn into the bus depot area? Am curious being someone who often waits for a bus at that junction and frequently sees the problems that occur with traffic entering the Terminus/Queens Rds flow. Do you know if they will be removing the public crossing in front of the bus depot area? There's often a block with traffic caught between that crossing and the preceding one on Terminus.

(Just to answer your comment "I find it strange you're willing to walk the length of the platform…". The distance walking through the station would have been under cover, away from the elements and in relative safety; this makes a huge difference to people with walking difficulties. To freeze up on the spot when in outside road areas can be scary, especially if a clearly incapacitated lone female at night.)

re. the market. I totally hear you about the usefulness of picking up supper etc on the way home. But feel that proper shops rather than market stalls would be more beneficial. People tend to shop in a more regulated fashion with fixed shops, whereas a market has people milling around all over the place, annoying to say the least when you're trying to get from A to B quickly. I have a side concern over this which has been irking me recently – how do the current food stalls sidestep Environmental Health by selling uncovered food right next to a heavy emissions/fumes area? Especially the bakery one, as tis impossible to 'wash' bread...

I like the sound of the waiting areas, great if they do occur :)

Still leaves the issue of taxi station permits. Do you know if they will be required for taxis to pickup from the front of the station or is that public land so the station won't be able to charge for this anymore?

Actually, do you have a web link so I stop asking possibly silly questions ;)
Thankyou for the clarification StyleCop. Some of my remarks are obsolete in view of that, especially the walking distance. Pickup where bus depot now is will actually be good news and satisfies various points that i don't need to highlight as covered as 'complaints' in my previous post. However, how will the taxis get to that pick-up point? Are they to queue along Frederick, up Trafalgar, then sharp left turn into the bus depot area? Am curious being someone who often waits for a bus at that junction and frequently sees the problems that occur with traffic entering the Terminus/Queens Rds flow. Do you know if they will be removing the public crossing in front of the bus depot area? There's often a block with traffic caught between that crossing and the preceding one on Terminus. (Just to answer your comment "I find it strange you're willing to walk the length of the platform…". The distance walking through the station would have been under cover, away from the elements and in relative safety; this makes a huge difference to people with walking difficulties. To freeze up on the spot when in outside road areas can be scary, especially if a clearly incapacitated lone female at night.) re. the market. I totally hear you about the usefulness of picking up supper etc on the way home. But feel that proper shops rather than market stalls would be more beneficial. People tend to shop in a more regulated fashion with fixed shops, whereas a market has people milling around all over the place, annoying to say the least when you're trying to get from A to B quickly. I have a side concern over this which has been irking me recently – how do the current food stalls sidestep Environmental Health by selling uncovered food right next to a heavy emissions/fumes area? Especially the bakery one, as tis impossible to 'wash' bread... I like the sound of the waiting areas, great if they do occur :) Still leaves the issue of taxi station permits. Do you know if they will be required for taxis to pickup from the front of the station or is that public land so the station won't be able to charge for this anymore? Actually, do you have a web link so I stop asking possibly silly questions ;) Purple55

10:22pm Tue 8 Jan 13

moonster says...

Brighton station taxi rank is only licensed for 16 Taxis at one time, Any more that turn up are suppose to drive on and not stop (it seems this rule is ignored by most taxis) This is a excellent idea and the taxis need moving away from where they are now. plenty of room out the back if not in Fredrick place.
Brighton station taxi rank is only licensed for 16 Taxis at one time, Any more that turn up are suppose to drive on and not stop (it seems this rule is ignored by most taxis) This is a excellent idea and the taxis need moving away from where they are now. plenty of room out the back if not in Fredrick place. moonster

9:53am Wed 9 Jan 13

upsidedowntuctuc says...

Totally agree The Go Ahead Group are throwing the cabs out of the Station so they have to be somewhere.
Queuing from Fredrick Place up Trafalgar Street into the Bus stop at front is the best option and provides far more space for cabs than the present 16 where 200 plus licenses have been issued hence the congestion at the moment.
NIMBY North Lanes residents will still be able to cycle past if they want..
Totally agree The Go Ahead Group are throwing the cabs out of the Station so they have to be somewhere. Queuing from Fredrick Place up Trafalgar Street into the Bus stop at front is the best option and provides far more space for cabs than the present 16 where 200 plus licenses have been issued hence the congestion at the moment. NIMBY North Lanes residents will still be able to cycle past if they want.. upsidedowntuctuc

10:44am Wed 9 Jan 13

StyleCop says...

Hi Folks.

So I've just done my usual morning jaunt through the station and the ranks, as usual was heaving, with 2 cabs backing out of the entrance and into the line of regular traffic attempting to turn right into queens road... talk about disaster... what a chaotic scene.

...and to assess the numbers in the official rank area I've come to the following conclusion;

- space is avaiable for between 19, 20 cabs to wait effectively.

this includes 4 picking up passengers

Todays scene was a shambles of mis-management. With each column of cabs maxed out, and an additional 7 or 8, ammassed on the entrance, some creating an exit hazard, and others queing up to come in, in the out lane...

There are no less than 4 pinch points in this small space. It is a joke. There is no flow whatsoever, it's a choked to point of gridlock.

I've seen better management at New Delhi Station. At least there there are staff on hand to manage the Cabs and provide a service for passengers needing help.

The new proposal is by far a better solution. Without a doubt, despite the odd detail requiring some ironing out. It will provide a much more practical autonomous system, which at present is failing abysmally.

Purple, the links you require are as follows;

http://www.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/index.cf
m?request=c1255734

http://www.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/download
s/bhcc/transport/sta
tion-gateway/Station
_gateway_-_design_pr
oposal.pdf

Finally, having re-looked at the proposals to the wider area changes, i.e. the changes to flow through the north laine and blocking traffic northbound half way up trafalgar street... I'm inclined to agree with the neighsayers in the north laine... but, I believe this aspect of the plan is still in consultation...

so really, this issue is split into two distinct areas,

1. The Rank and Station Front problem
2. The Wider North Laine road rights of way re-alignment.

I agree with the first proposal wholeheartedly, but the wider proposal I would object to.

With that in mind, the online petition which claims the whole plan as unworkable, is still nonsense in my opinion, and the organiser should recognise that for the good of the city wide community that a compromise can be made...

I'd happily sign an epetition to oppose the wider scheme... but as it stands right now... the community opposition are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Furthermore, The Argus reporting technique in this instance, isn't helping, as it's sensationalised their argument, and not put or sought a balanced view/opinion.

Shame on you Argus... if you truly want to be a community rag, then you could go someway in trying to help suppor the community, rather than constantly placing opposing parties at each others throats.

But I suppose that sells units doesn't it?
Hi Folks. So I've just done my usual morning jaunt through the station and the ranks, as usual was heaving, with 2 cabs backing out of the entrance and into the line of regular traffic attempting to turn right into queens road... talk about disaster... what a chaotic scene. ...and to assess the numbers in the official rank area I've come to the following conclusion; - space is avaiable for between 19, 20 cabs to wait effectively. this includes 4 picking up passengers Todays scene was a shambles of mis-management. With each column of cabs maxed out, and an additional 7 or 8, ammassed on the entrance, some creating an exit hazard, and others queing up to come in, in the out lane... There are no less than 4 pinch points in this small space. It is a joke. There is no flow whatsoever, it's a choked to point of gridlock. I've seen better management at New Delhi Station. At least there there are staff on hand to manage the Cabs and provide a service for passengers needing help. The new proposal is by far a better solution. Without a doubt, despite the odd detail requiring some ironing out. It will provide a much more practical autonomous system, which at present is failing abysmally. Purple, the links you require are as follows; http://www.brighton- hove.gov.uk/index.cf m?request=c1255734 http://www.brighton- hove.gov.uk/download s/bhcc/transport/sta tion-gateway/Station _gateway_-_design_pr oposal.pdf Finally, having re-looked at the proposals to the wider area changes, i.e. the changes to flow through the north laine and blocking traffic northbound half way up trafalgar street... I'm inclined to agree with the neighsayers in the north laine... but, I believe this aspect of the plan is still in consultation... so really, this issue is split into two distinct areas, 1. The Rank and Station Front problem 2. The Wider North Laine road rights of way re-alignment. I agree with the first proposal wholeheartedly, but the wider proposal I would object to. With that in mind, the online petition which claims the whole plan as unworkable, is still nonsense in my opinion, and the organiser should recognise that for the good of the city wide community that a compromise can be made... I'd happily sign an epetition to oppose the wider scheme... but as it stands right now... the community opposition are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Furthermore, The Argus reporting technique in this instance, isn't helping, as it's sensationalised their argument, and not put or sought a balanced view/opinion. Shame on you Argus... if you truly want to be a community rag, then you could go someway in trying to help suppor the community, rather than constantly placing opposing parties at each others throats. But I suppose that sells units doesn't it? StyleCop

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