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Complaint silences children’s new instruments

The Argus: Manor Field Primary School Manor Field Primary School

PUPILS have been stopped from trying out their new outdoor musical instruments because of worries that they would be too loud.

Staff at Manor Field Primary School in Burgess Hill have stopped children playing in the playground.

Kit Messenger, headteacher, said the school may have to explore the expensive option of installing sound barriers before playing them to avoid upsetting neighbours.

The xylophones, drums and chimes were bought with money raised by the parent teachers association and a donation left by former music teacher Enid Harrison in her will.

But a neighbour complained to the school and Mid Sussex District Council.

Mrs Messenger said discussions with the neighbour have been very amicable and they are working together to find a solution.

She said: “The instruments were louder than we expected when we tested them during half-term and we wanted to modify them before we allow the children to play.

“We don’t want to upset people in the area. We had a phone call from a neighbour and we have had discussions because we want to work together.”

Mrs Messenger said she has phoned the instrument’s manufacturers, who said they have not had complaints before.

They have suggested modifications to make them quieter.

Mrs Messenger added: “I have explained the situation to the children so they know why they are taped off.

“The children have not had them before so they are not missing out.”

A Mid Sussex District Council spokesman said they had received one pre-emptive enquiry from a neighbour about the “potential for noise disturbance”.

He added: “Our environmental health officers have spoken with the school and they have advised us that the instruments have not been formally used yet.

“We have met with the resident and the school to provide advice on how to minimise any disturbance.”

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12:17pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Musical instruments make a noise......shock!!
Musical instruments make a noise......shock!! stevo!!
  • Score: 9

12:22pm Wed 9 Jul 14

s&k says...

Nice neighbour destroying kids' fun and inquisitiveness about music. And pity the pathetic council for acting on this 'complaint'. What a country.
Nice neighbour destroying kids' fun and inquisitiveness about music. And pity the pathetic council for acting on this 'complaint'. What a country. s&k
  • Score: -1

1:07pm Wed 9 Jul 14

fredaj says...

s&k wrote:
Nice neighbour destroying kids' fun and inquisitiveness about music. And pity the pathetic council for acting on this 'complaint'. What a country.
Or, from someone who does not believe the universe should revolve around children to other's detriment, the kids could just play indoors and then everyone is happy.

This really isn't a difficult problem to deal with.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Nice neighbour destroying kids' fun and inquisitiveness about music. And pity the pathetic council for acting on this 'complaint'. What a country.[/p][/quote]Or, from someone who does not believe the universe should revolve around children to other's detriment, the kids could just play indoors and then everyone is happy. This really isn't a difficult problem to deal with. fredaj
  • Score: 0

1:13pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

The neighbour didn't complain.

The report said they made an enquiry into possible noise nuisance, and that discussions on the matter were amicable.

It is plain that the neighbour doesn't want to stop the kids playing the instruments.

The report says that tape has been applied (to the instruments, not to the neighbour's ears) and that any disturbance will be minimised.
The neighbour didn't complain. The report said they made an enquiry into possible noise nuisance, and that discussions on the matter were amicable. It is plain that the neighbour doesn't want to stop the kids playing the instruments. The report says that tape has been applied (to the instruments, not to the neighbour's ears) and that any disturbance will be minimised. stevo!!
  • Score: 8

1:42pm Wed 9 Jul 14

paul76 says...

The good old move next to a school and then complain about the noise and potential noise story.

How about letting the kids play with them first, and then see if the noise distrubs you instead of complaining and blocking them from even trying them out.

Or get a job. That way you won't be at home during play time!
The good old move next to a school and then complain about the noise and potential noise story. How about letting the kids play with them first, and then see if the noise distrubs you instead of complaining and blocking them from even trying them out. Or get a job. That way you won't be at home during play time! paul76
  • Score: -4

1:58pm Wed 9 Jul 14

s&k says...

stevo!! wrote:
The neighbour didn't complain. The report said they made an enquiry into possible noise nuisance, and that discussions on the matter were amicable. It is plain that the neighbour doesn't want to stop the kids playing the instruments. The report says that tape has been applied (to the instruments, not to the neighbour's ears) and that any disturbance will be minimised.
Everything's well in Little England then.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: The neighbour didn't complain. The report said they made an enquiry into possible noise nuisance, and that discussions on the matter were amicable. It is plain that the neighbour doesn't want to stop the kids playing the instruments. The report says that tape has been applied (to the instruments, not to the neighbour's ears) and that any disturbance will be minimised.[/p][/quote]Everything's well in Little England then. s&k
  • Score: -9

2:01pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Goldenwight says...

I somehow can't imagine that the noise made by these instruments would be louder than an entire playground full of children screaming and playing during their breaktimes, and the noise would probably be a lot softer on the ears as well.
I somehow can't imagine that the noise made by these instruments would be louder than an entire playground full of children screaming and playing during their breaktimes, and the noise would probably be a lot softer on the ears as well. Goldenwight
  • Score: 14

3:11pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

s&k wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
The neighbour didn't complain. The report said they made an enquiry into possible noise nuisance, and that discussions on the matter were amicable. It is plain that the neighbour doesn't want to stop the kids playing the instruments. The report says that tape has been applied (to the instruments, not to the neighbour's ears) and that any disturbance will be minimised.
Everything's well in Little England then.
Yes, English people are noted for sorting out issues using common sense etc. We are quite wonderful people, which is why the rest of the world wants to come and live with us.

It's a really shame, however, that *some* English people wish to denigrate their own kind. I'd keep your thoughts on that to yourself, if I were you.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: The neighbour didn't complain. The report said they made an enquiry into possible noise nuisance, and that discussions on the matter were amicable. It is plain that the neighbour doesn't want to stop the kids playing the instruments. The report says that tape has been applied (to the instruments, not to the neighbour's ears) and that any disturbance will be minimised.[/p][/quote]Everything's well in Little England then.[/p][/quote]Yes, English people are noted for sorting out issues using common sense etc. We are quite wonderful people, which is why the rest of the world wants to come and live with us. It's a really shame, however, that *some* English people wish to denigrate their own kind. I'd keep your thoughts on that to yourself, if I were you. stevo!!
  • Score: -2

5:31pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"Complaint silences children’s new instruments"

No complaint made, and the instruments haven't been silenced.

Another 'winning' headline by The Argus.
"Complaint silences children’s new instruments" No complaint made, and the instruments haven't been silenced. Another 'winning' headline by The Argus. stevo!!
  • Score: 8

5:35pm Wed 9 Jul 14

In the sticks says...

Mrs Messenger added: “I have explained the situation to the children so they know why they are red- taped off."
Mrs Messenger added: “I have explained the situation to the children so they know why they are red- taped off." In the sticks
  • Score: 0

10:49am Thu 10 Jul 14

kayleighswift says...

paul76 wrote:
The good old move next to a school and then complain about the noise and potential noise story.

How about letting the kids play with them first, and then see if the noise distrubs you instead of complaining and blocking them from even trying them out.

Or get a job. That way you won't be at home during play time!
You know, some people have jobs where they work from home, work nights, part time or any number of reasons why they might be at home during school hours.
[quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: The good old move next to a school and then complain about the noise and potential noise story. How about letting the kids play with them first, and then see if the noise distrubs you instead of complaining and blocking them from even trying them out. Or get a job. That way you won't be at home during play time![/p][/quote]You know, some people have jobs where they work from home, work nights, part time or any number of reasons why they might be at home during school hours. kayleighswift
  • Score: 3

11:50am Thu 10 Jul 14

Patsyr says...

If one complaining neighbour can stop the use of these instruments then something is wrong. Just one neighbour causing all this.

Why live next to a school if you cant be tolerant? The instruments cant be played all day, every day so what can possibly be the problem? And soon 6 weeks holiday when you wont even have to put up with hearing happy children playing at all. Sure you will appreciate that moaning neighbour.
If one complaining neighbour can stop the use of these instruments then something is wrong. Just one neighbour causing all this. Why live next to a school if you cant be tolerant? The instruments cant be played all day, every day so what can possibly be the problem? And soon 6 weeks holiday when you wont even have to put up with hearing happy children playing at all. Sure you will appreciate that moaning neighbour. Patsyr
  • Score: 8

11:51am Thu 10 Jul 14

Ch1442 says...

The dying wish of a music teacher, a rare selfless act to enrich the lives of children, thwarted by a bloody minded neighbour who, despite deciding to live next to a school, cannot forgive the children in that school the, what, one hour a days worth of 'noise' they will make, exploring music and sound or, 'learning', as you might quite rightly call it.

Whoever said they should play inside should be ashamed - they will have plenty of time to lock themselves away in an office or in their house like this complainer when they are adults, while they are children they should be allowed outside to play as much as possible.
The dying wish of a music teacher, a rare selfless act to enrich the lives of children, thwarted by a bloody minded neighbour who, despite deciding to live next to a school, cannot forgive the children in that school the, what, one hour a days worth of 'noise' they will make, exploring music and sound or, 'learning', as you might quite rightly call it. Whoever said they should play inside should be ashamed - they will have plenty of time to lock themselves away in an office or in their house like this complainer when they are adults, while they are children they should be allowed outside to play as much as possible. Ch1442
  • Score: 12

1:19pm Thu 10 Jul 14

runnergirl says...

Ch1442 wrote:
The dying wish of a music teacher, a rare selfless act to enrich the lives of children, thwarted by a bloody minded neighbour who, despite deciding to live next to a school, cannot forgive the children in that school the, what, one hour a days worth of 'noise' they will make, exploring music and sound or, 'learning', as you might quite rightly call it.

Whoever said they should play inside should be ashamed - they will have plenty of time to lock themselves away in an office or in their house like this complainer when they are adults, while they are children they should be allowed outside to play as much as possible.
Agree with your sentiments. Whether or not it's true that there really was a complaint from a neighbour (and the Argus is or isn't just exaggerating) there are people who begrudge children their childhood in whatever they are doing. Often these are people who have never had children of their own or who've just forgotten that they were once young themselves! And samba bands DO need to practise outside because the children march in tandem.
[quote][p][bold]Ch1442[/bold] wrote: The dying wish of a music teacher, a rare selfless act to enrich the lives of children, thwarted by a bloody minded neighbour who, despite deciding to live next to a school, cannot forgive the children in that school the, what, one hour a days worth of 'noise' they will make, exploring music and sound or, 'learning', as you might quite rightly call it. Whoever said they should play inside should be ashamed - they will have plenty of time to lock themselves away in an office or in their house like this complainer when they are adults, while they are children they should be allowed outside to play as much as possible.[/p][/quote]Agree with your sentiments. Whether or not it's true that there really was a complaint from a neighbour (and the Argus is or isn't just exaggerating) there are people who begrudge children their childhood in whatever they are doing. Often these are people who have never had children of their own or who've just forgotten that they were once young themselves! And samba bands DO need to practise outside because the children march in tandem. runnergirl
  • Score: 3

5:35pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Gizmo74 says...

Maybe they should buy ear defenders. How come the council are quick to moan to the school about the instruments yet when parents say about getting a pedestrian crossing we don't get help, dog mess causing problems and the pedestrian crossing near the station is nearly covered by the hedge we get told there not sure who owns the land. Seriously get your priorities sorted council. 4 children were nearly killed due to idiots going through red lights. Leave the school alone and sort other important things for a change.
Maybe they should buy ear defenders. How come the council are quick to moan to the school about the instruments yet when parents say about getting a pedestrian crossing we don't get help, dog mess causing problems and the pedestrian crossing near the station is nearly covered by the hedge we get told there not sure who owns the land. Seriously get your priorities sorted council. 4 children were nearly killed due to idiots going through red lights. Leave the school alone and sort other important things for a change. Gizmo74
  • Score: 1

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