Rival groups set to bring city to standstill during protests (From The Argus)

They are not rival groups! Rival: Definition: One who attempts to equal or surpass another, or who pursues the same object as another; a competitor.
They are opposing groups.

edl just want to close borders

Please could you identify the critics that you mention, attribute the quotation and name those making the claims? Without that information The Argus website story looks silly and undermines the credibility of its print version.

'bring brighton to a standstill' hardly. neither group has enough support, not to mention organisation to do much more than clog up north street for a couple of hours, until the march for england lot get thirsty and the smash edo lot forget what they were there for and drift off to browse the shelves in inifinity foods. the onyl people actually bringing brighton to a standstill will be the massed ranks of the police, kettling everyone in sight.

Here's an idea: on the day, identify them, round them up, put them in a field and let the little wastes-of-space fight each other to the death Battle Royale-style. Then the rest of the people in the town can enjoy the day and what it has to offer without these unwashed oiks making a nusiance of themselves to all-and-sundry. Thank you.

Fresh air wrote:
Please could you identify the critics that you mention, attribute the quotation and name those making the claims? Without that information The Argus website story looks silly and undermines the credibility of its print version.

I agree. I have yet to see the print version but it appears the claims are clearly based on an anonymous posting on a previous related article's comments page.

If the Argus are now generating news based on unsubstantiated claims from unverified sources on their discussion board they have broken through the bottom of the barrel.

How about we form a decent law abiding citizens group.. when will the so called smash edo mob get it NOBODY!! cares ..jeezz they haven't even realised yet that EDO doesn't exist any more
Get a wash get a job get a life

Wishful thinking; bring back the mods and rockers, will Rizzle kicks be doing the sound track for a film about this bank holiday?

taman wrote:
How about we form a decent law abiding citizens group.. when will the so called smash edo mob get it NOBODY!! cares ..jeezz they haven't even realised yet that EDO doesn't exist any more
Get a wash get a job get a life

Agreed who gives a ****.Hope it rains that day.Give them a wash.

Brighton will really and truly be 'brought to a standstill' this Sunday for the marathon - pity the poor families who think they'll drive down to the seaside for a nice day out!

I hope it thunders and the *ossers get struck by lightning,hopefully theyr all be holding hands at the same time, pathetic *ankers!!!

Crystal Ball wrote:
Here's an idea: on the day, identify them, round them up, put them in a field and let the little wastes-of-space fight each other to the death Battle Royale-style. Then the rest of the people in the town can enjoy the day and what it has to offer without these unwashed oiks making a nusiance of themselves to all-and-sundry. Thank you.

Brilliant idea! Then perhaps we can have a city free from protesters, squatters and all the other free-loaders that seem to want to take over Brighton.

"Critics say the choice of location undermines the group’s claim that it does not want to disrupt people’s enjoyment of the Diamond Jubilee celebrations."

How? By stopping them shopping? Surely we'll all be too busy with our closed-road street parties to be in town?

I totally oppose the extremist policies of both smashedo & edl.
However I defend their right to protest.
Should they engage in violence or intimidation, then they must appreciate that the Police have a legal duty to arrest them.

Since the Argus picks its stories from this comments list.

Heres some ideas for tomorrows headlines-

According to Tories, the violent deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians with Brighton made bomb components are of less importance than Brighton bank holiday business takings.

Tory Councillor uses fictional jubilee celebration threat to attack anti-arms trade group- and neglects to mention he works for an arms company himself.

This arms company Thales Simulation and Training Ltd, Crawley has direct contracts with international human rights abusing governments, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Indonesia.

Ex-Sussex police chief who was involved in failed corrupt attempt to get Smash EDO injuncted by the High Court in 2005, is now a Tory Councillor and uses his new position to attack campaigners.

Interests of an arms company with serial history of support for fascism are given priority for police support over the freedom to protest.

Any Israeli attack on Iran using F-16 and F-15 aircraft would almost certainly use EDO MBM made arming units, bunker buster bomb components, and aircraft bomb racks.

EDO MBM is manufacturing parts for the F-35 stealth fighter weapons system bound for Israel, against UK government obligations under EU and international law.

EDO MBM parts are used in Predator drones for illegal CIA extra-judicial assassinations.

Nick Brighton wrote:
They are not rival groups! Rival: Definition: One who attempts to equal or surpass another, or who pursues the same object as another; a competitor.
They are opposing groups.

Correct, NB! '...rival right-wing nationalist group could attend the march...'. Smash EDO are not a right-wing nationalist group.

charlie smirke wrote:

Crystal Ball wrote:
Here's an idea: on the day, identify them, round them up, put them in a field and let the little wastes-of-space fight each other to the death Battle Royale-style. Then the rest of the people in the town can enjoy the day and what it has to offer without these unwashed oiks making a nusiance of themselves to all-and-sundry. Thank you.

Brilliant idea! Then perhaps we can have a city free from protesters, squatters and all the other free-loaders that seem to want to take over Brighton.

"perhaps we can have a city free from protesters, squatters and all the other free-loaders that seem to want to take over Brighton."

But then it wouldn't be Brighton. You might not like certain categories of people who live in Brighton but they are all spice in the mix that makes Brighton what it is. I love it, I wouldn't live anywhere else.

"zrfau says...
12:39pm Fri 13 Apr 12"

Post of the day....

Kettle them all to The Level and sell tickets.

zrfau wrote:
Since the Argus picks its stories from this comments list.

Heres some ideas for tomorrows headlines-

According to Tories, the violent deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians with Brighton made bomb components are of less importance than Brighton bank holiday business takings.

Tory Councillor uses fictional jubilee celebration threat to attack anti-arms trade group- and neglects to mention he works for an arms company himself.

This arms company Thales Simulation and Training Ltd, Crawley has direct contracts with international human rights abusing governments, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Indonesia.

Ex-Sussex police chief who was involved in failed corrupt attempt to get Smash EDO injuncted by the High Court in 2005, is now a Tory Councillor and uses his new position to attack campaigners.

Interests of an arms company with serial history of support for fascism are given priority for police support over the freedom to protest.

Any Israeli attack on Iran using F-16 and F-15 aircraft would almost certainly use EDO MBM made arming units, bunker buster bomb components, and aircraft bomb racks.

EDO MBM is manufacturing parts for the F-35 stealth fighter weapons system bound for Israel, against UK government obligations under EU and international law.

EDO MBM parts are used in Predator drones for illegal CIA extra-judicial assassinations.

Stop whining; you lack discipline

The style of comments by zrfau is very similar to an article in The Ecologist by Richard Pursell & Jan Goodey. Perhaps they are all related.

Hello zrfau. Rearrange this anagram into a well known saying. Sips fof.

Two sets of morons in one march - I can't wait. I always knew SmashEDO ad EDL were basically the same kind of thugs.

When will these idiots realise that arms have been made for hundreds if not thousands of years.

By closing down EDO it will not make any difference what so ever. It just means that the staff will be made redundant and some other company will make the parts.

Get the water cannons out and wash them all down the drain where they belong!!!

inmegarden wrote:
"zrfau says...
12:39pm Fri 13 Apr 12"

Post of the day....

Yep, easily. I second you, inmegarden.

mondoweiss.net

Queens jubilee is a joke when we ae facing high costs for the Games this year.
Prince Phillip had connections with the nazis during the war..

Can I just comment on this non-story? Did Ben Parsons write this in the pub?
As Admin of Arun EDL I would like to categorically state that there are no official plans to counter "Smash EDO" Demo.
The EDL counter left wing groups usually when they go against us on one of our demos. Our principal aim is to fight Militant Islam not a bunch of crusty soap dodgers. While I am on here I would also like to say that there is no official EDL presence on MfE St Georges Day march this year. It has been explained many times before but ANYONE can claim to be a member of the EDL.
I believe that Ben Parsons has been engaging in stirring up trouble rather than accurate reporting. This may have something to do with his political beliefs rather than an accurate story.

I agree that calling these two groups rival groups is ludicrous and pushes to credibility of the story to the lowest depths.

The day that comes when we are not allowed to make protests about things that are wrong then bad people will get away with a lot. During the war in London the East End marched against Moseley if not i wonder what the history of London would have been. How is Syria getting its weapons and killing people.

zrfau wrote:
Since the Argus picks its stories from this comments list. Heres some ideas for tomorrows headlines- According to Tories, the violent deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians with Brighton made bomb components are of less importance than Brighton bank holiday business takings. Tory Councillor uses fictional jubilee celebration threat to attack anti-arms trade group- and neglects to mention he works for an arms company himself. This arms company Thales Simulation and Training Ltd, Crawley has direct contracts with international human rights abusing governments, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Indonesia. Ex-Sussex police chief who was involved in failed corrupt attempt to get Smash EDO injuncted by the High Court in 2005, is now a Tory Councillor and uses his new position to attack campaigners. Interests of an arms company with serial history of support for fascism are given priority for police support over the freedom to protest. Any Israeli attack on Iran using F-16 and F-15 aircraft would almost certainly use EDO MBM made arming units, bunker buster bomb components, and aircraft bomb racks. EDO MBM is manufacturing parts for the F-35 stealth fighter weapons system bound for Israel, against UK government obligations under EU and international law. EDO MBM parts are used in Predator drones for illegal CIA extra-judicial assassinations.

Nice post.....as evidenced by the incoherent, semi literate "responses" you've had so far from the usual sadsacks.

Andy R wrote:

zrfau wrote:
Since the Argus picks its stories from this comments list. Heres some ideas for tomorrows headlines- According to Tories, the violent deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians with Brighton made bomb components are of less importance than Brighton bank holiday business takings. Tory Councillor uses fictional jubilee celebration threat to attack anti-arms trade group- and neglects to mention he works for an arms company himself. This arms company Thales Simulation and Training Ltd, Crawley has direct contracts with international human rights abusing governments, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Indonesia. Ex-Sussex police chief who was involved in failed corrupt attempt to get Smash EDO injuncted by the High Court in 2005, is now a Tory Councillor and uses his new position to attack campaigners. Interests of an arms company with serial history of support for fascism are given priority for police support over the freedom to protest. Any Israeli attack on Iran using F-16 and F-15 aircraft would almost certainly use EDO MBM made arming units, bunker buster bomb components, and aircraft bomb racks. EDO MBM is manufacturing parts for the F-35 stealth fighter weapons system bound for Israel, against UK government obligations under EU and international law. EDO MBM parts are used in Predator drones for illegal CIA extra-judicial assassinations.

Nice post.....as evidenced by the incoherent, semi literate "responses" you've had so far from the usual sadsacks.

Zrfau banging on and on and on about F35 jets YET AGAIN is not a 'nice post' it is a pointless, boring and repetitive bit of info that he keeps on and on about.
WE DON'T CARE.

AmboGuy wrote:
Two sets of morons in one march - I can't wait. I always knew SmashEDO ad EDL were basically the same kind of thugs.

It seems you weren't the only idiot to be taken in by a bogus poster.

AmboGuy wrote:
Two sets of morons in one march - I can't wait. I always knew SmashEDO ad EDL were basically the same kind of thugs.

and then there's you. I'm glad you don't leave the house other than to drive around the senile and incontinent.

Andy R wrote:

zrfau wrote: Since the Argus picks its stories from this comments list. Heres some ideas for tomorrows headlines- According to Tories, the violent deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians with Brighton made bomb components are of less importance than Brighton bank holiday business takings. Tory Councillor uses fictional jubilee celebration threat to attack anti-arms trade group- and neglects to mention he works for an arms company himself. This arms company Thales Simulation and Training Ltd, Crawley has direct contracts with international human rights abusing governments, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Indonesia. Ex-Sussex police chief who was involved in failed corrupt attempt to get Smash EDO injuncted by the High Court in 2005, is now a Tory Councillor and uses his new position to attack campaigners. Interests of an arms company with serial history of support for fascism are given priority for police support over the freedom to protest. Any Israeli attack on Iran using F-16 and F-15 aircraft would almost certainly use EDO MBM made arming units, bunker buster bomb components, and aircraft bomb racks. EDO MBM is manufacturing parts for the F-35 stealth fighter weapons system bound for Israel, against UK government obligations under EU and international law. EDO MBM parts are used in Predator drones for illegal CIA extra-judicial assassinations.

Nice post.....as evidenced by the incoherent, semi literate "responses" you've had so far from the usual sadsacks.

That's a first. A union rep that wants workers to lose their jobs

zufur half the arms manufacturing companies in this country have contracts with those countries you mention!

Prince Phillip did have contacts with nazis during the war he was doing his best to kill them.

Anyway in opposing the Jubilee is a good thing. I dont see why we celebrate a royal family who we pay for and they sit there living the life in one of there many palaces! While we have to pay the brunt for an economic crises. They are an undemocratic useless regime that should be axed. We should be up in london protesting outside Buckingham Palace!

Andy R you recently posted this comment

"You've written a letter to the Argus outlining your views on abortion - fine.

What people who share your views don't have the right to do is harrass vulnerable women, of whose circumstances you know nothing, nor workers going about their lawful business."

Are you against the harrassment and intimidation of workers going about their lawful business, as your comment suggests or not? You condemn the anti abortionists for using this tactic but support SmashEdo when they use the same tactic. You constantly bang on about people having the right to protest but are you not a member of UAF, a group with a policy of stopping people from exercising their democratic right to protest?
You say Zarfus post is nice, in what way is it nice? it contains an unsubstantiated claim that the attempt to bring an injunction against SmashEdo was "corrupt", it also makes the unsubstantiated claim that the CIA is carrying out illegal extra judicial assasinations, yet again Zarfu repeats the SmashEdo propaganda about illegal shipments of arms to Israel and this is what you call a nice post, no evidence just over emotive language and unsubstantiated claims.
Here are some facts Zarfu,
when Smash Edo broke into the factory you found no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims of illegal arms shipments.
In the resulting trial you failed to prove that this was happening but one of your members did threaten to murder the manager of Edo and his children.
At one of your members request, the Information Commissioner looked at all the available evidence in relation to your claim about illegal shipments to Israel and..... he found that claim to be without any factual basis.
If you have the evidence take Edo to court, if not well time to give it a rest. You wont though because you have invested so much time in this campaign that you have become incapable of accepting that you might just be wrong. It has become almost a religion for you and just like all religious people you save your greatest ire for disbelievers because they threaten your whole belief system.
Looking at the pictures from Bosnia and Serbia that were shown in some of the magazines last Sunday reminded me yet again that at times military intervention is the right thing to do. You may be happy to sit back and see 8000 muslims murdered in a genocidal campaign, because armed intervention goes against your beliefs, I wouldnt be. The world is a lot more complicated than your simplistic world view allows for.

charlie smirke wrote:

Crystal Ball wrote:
Here's an idea: on the day, identify them, round them up, put them in a field and let the little wastes-of-space fight each other to the death Battle Royale-style. Then the rest of the people in the town can enjoy the day and what it has to offer without these unwashed oiks making a nusiance of themselves to all-and-sundry. Thank you.

Brilliant idea! Then perhaps we can have a city free from protesters, squatters and all the other free-loaders that seem to want to take over Brighton.

Yes much better to have a load of compliant wage slaves ignorant and too cowardly to do anything other than watch soaps and believe all they read in the media. Enjoy your blue pills 'people' !

JHunty wrote:
Andy R you recently posted this comment

"You've written a letter to the Argus outlining your views on abortion - fine.

What people who share your views don't have the right to do is harrass vulnerable women, of whose circumstances you know nothing, nor workers going about their lawful business."

Are you against the harrassment and intimidation of workers going about their lawful business, as your comment suggests or not? You condemn the anti abortionists for using this tactic but support SmashEdo when they use the same tactic. You constantly bang on about people having the right to protest but are you not a member of UAF, a group with a policy of stopping people from exercising their democratic right to protest?
You say Zarfus post is nice, in what way is it nice? it contains an unsubstantiated claim that the attempt to bring an injunction against SmashEdo was "corrupt", it also makes the unsubstantiated claim that the CIA is carrying out illegal extra judicial assasinations, yet again Zarfu repeats the SmashEdo propaganda about illegal shipments of arms to Israel and this is what you call a nice post, no evidence just over emotive language and unsubstantiated claims.
Here are some facts Zarfu,
when Smash Edo broke into the factory you found no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims of illegal arms shipments.
In the resulting trial you failed to prove that this was happening but one of your members did threaten to murder the manager of Edo and his children.
At one of your members request, the Information Commissioner looked at all the available evidence in relation to your claim about illegal shipments to Israel and..... he found that claim to be without any factual basis.
If you have the evidence take Edo to court, if not well time to give it a rest. You wont though because you have invested so much time in this campaign that you have become incapable of accepting that you might just be wrong. It has become almost a religion for you and just like all religious people you save your greatest ire for disbelievers because they threaten your whole belief system.
Looking at the pictures from Bosnia and Serbia that were shown in some of the magazines last Sunday reminded me yet again that at times military intervention is the right thing to do. You may be happy to sit back and see 8000 muslims murdered in a genocidal campaign, because armed intervention goes against your beliefs, I wouldnt be. The world is a lot more complicated than your simplistic world view allows for.

Off you go again JHunty. Nice to see you've now modified your claim about the threats so it's ever-so-slightly nearer the truth (but a way to go yet).

And you still haven't given any evidence of harassment and intimidation since as you well know the courts found there was none.

And the courts found that it was not unlawful to smash the factory up during the Gaza massacre .

So you can carry on making the same old unsubstantiated claims and the same counter claims will be thrown back at you.

Given who you are and as you seem to know so much it would be a simple matter for you to provide some real evidence if there were any but there isn't is there?

And as for being "incapable of accepting we might just be wrong" well that could equally be thrown back at you since you seem so self-assured in your own beliefs.

hursthill wrote:
I totally oppose the extremist policies of both smashedo & edl.
However I defend their right to protest.
Should they engage in violence or intimidation, then they must appreciate that the Police have a legal duty to arrest them.

Err...Not quite... Constables are Crown servants who uphold "Lex Terrae" or Law of the Land aka The Common Law(all the same thing) and who are entrusted with "Keeping the Queens Peace". A Constable has a Lawful duty to deal with a breach of the peace rather than a legal one. This Apparently trivial point is far more serious than it appears, many people have no understanding that there is a difference between "Lawful" (Common Law) and "legal" (statutes) and do not realise that statutes are subordinate to The Common Law.

taman wrote:
How about we form a decent law abiding citizens group.. when will the so called smash edo mob get it NOBODY!! cares ..jeezz they haven't even realised yet that EDO doesn't exist any more
Get a wash get a job get a life

"A law abiding citizen group", oh dear what have people in this country come to! You mock smash EDO yet you need to check your facts, I will just link you to the EDO company website. It was just acquired by ITT Corporation in 2007. http://www.edocorp.c
om/Pages/default.asp
x

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
Two sets of morons in one march - I can't wait. I always knew SmashEDO ad EDL were basically the same kind of thugs.

It seems you weren't the only idiot to be taken in by a bogus poster.

Yes it's funny how anyone posting on here that doesn't tow your pathetic SmashEDO 'party line' must be a bogus poster isn't it?
I'm sorry that EDL and SmashEDO have joined up in one march (really I am there will be even more trouble) but you can't just pass this off as a 'bogus poster' just because you don't like it.

This city stretches from Portslade in the west to Saltdean in the east, so how can two groups protesting in the centre of Brighton bring it to a standstill?

But the two groups are not equivalent are they? Instead of being divided why not join up and defend progressive values instead of negatively defended some vague notion of English values?

****!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!

AmboGuy wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
Two sets of morons in one march - I can't wait. I always knew SmashEDO ad EDL were basically the same kind of thugs.

It seems you weren't the only idiot to be taken in by a bogus poster.

Yes it's funny how anyone posting on here that doesn't tow your pathetic SmashEDO 'party line' must be a bogus poster isn't it?
I'm sorry that EDL and SmashEDO have joined up in one march (really I am there will be even more trouble) but you can't just pass this off as a 'bogus poster' just because you don't like it.

Well you can carry on believing it. You do seem to have personally promoted this across the threads to quite a degree AmboGuy.

Even someone from the EDL - who sounded like they actually were from the EDL - has pointed out how ridiculous the idea of EDL joining with SmashEDO is. Just do a tiny bit of research and you'd see that.

Let me switch it around and ask how you can know or even suspect this was from a genuine EDL supporter as opposed to someone who just called himself one to do a bit of stirring?

I'm sorry but as I said originally when it was posted such an idea is laughable. But that doesn't stop a few idiots including the idiot Argus so called journalist who fell for it.

There is no point in engaging with Smash EDO. The clue is in the name, they are leftist extremists who seek to impose their views by mob violence - to smash. Stalin would have been proud of them. In their eyes the end justifies the means and if that means terrorising people so much the better. They de-humanise their opponents in the same way that Stalinists always have done. It means they can do whatever they like according to their own twisted logic. What is truly disgraceful is that the fellow travellers in the Green Politburo are seeking to put local people out of work. The good thing is that English workers are better than SmashEdo - they will not give in to this pathetic bunch of weekend revolutionaries.

EDL and SmashEDO - do they have different agendas? Yes of course. So what do they have in common? They both love causing chaos and perhaps getting the chance to get in a good ruck with the police. I think many people look at both groups and see the line between them blurring.

Come on Liverpool make the final.

AmboGuy wrote:

Andy R wrote:

zrfau wrote: Since the Argus picks its stories from this comments list. Heres some ideas for tomorrows headlines- According to Tories, the violent deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians with Brighton made bomb components are of less importance than Brighton bank holiday business takings. Tory Councillor uses fictional jubilee celebration threat to attack anti-arms trade group- and neglects to mention he works for an arms company himself. This arms company Thales Simulation and Training Ltd, Crawley has direct contracts with international human rights abusing governments, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Indonesia. Ex-Sussex police chief who was involved in failed corrupt attempt to get Smash EDO injuncted by the High Court in 2005, is now a Tory Councillor and uses his new position to attack campaigners. Interests of an arms company with serial history of support for fascism are given priority for police support over the freedom to protest. Any Israeli attack on Iran using F-16 and F-15 aircraft would almost certainly use EDO MBM made arming units, bunker buster bomb components, and aircraft bomb racks. EDO MBM is manufacturing parts for the F-35 stealth fighter weapons system bound for Israel, against UK government obligations under EU and international law. EDO MBM parts are used in Predator drones for illegal CIA extra-judicial assassinations.

Nice post.....as evidenced by the incoherent, semi literate "responses" you've had so far from the usual sadsacks.

Zrfau banging on and on and on about F35 jets YET AGAIN is not a 'nice post' it is a pointless, boring and repetitive bit of info that he keeps on and on about. WE DON'T CARE.

Yawn yawn get a life and stop repeating yourself and WE DON’T CARE.

Do you think wittering on will make any difference!!!!!!!!

AmboGuy wrote:
EDL and SmashEDO - do they have different agendas? Yes of course. So what do they have in common? They both love causing chaos and perhaps getting the chance to get in a good ruck with the police. I think many people look at both groups and see the line between them blurring.

What they have in common is both groups are composed of people who hold that they are the only ones who know what is right

The type of thinking that was part and parcel of Stalinist Russia or Chinas' worst excesses during the 'Cultural Revolution'

mimseycal wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
EDL and SmashEDO - do they have different agendas? Yes of course. So what do they have in common? They both love causing chaos and perhaps getting the chance to get in a good ruck with the police. I think many people look at both groups and see the line between them blurring.

What they have in common is both groups are composed of people who hold that they are the only ones who know what is right

The type of thinking that was part and parcel of Stalinist Russia or Chinas' worst excesses during the 'Cultural Revolution'

Yep agreed. The headline that they said the protest is their 'Moral Duty' just shows the arrogance of SmashEDO. This self important term sums up their attitude of 'We're right and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong!'

AmboGuy wrote:

mimseycal wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
EDL and SmashEDO - do they have different agendas? Yes of course. So what do they have in common? They both love causing chaos and perhaps getting the chance to get in a good ruck with the police. I think many people look at both groups and see the line between them blurring.

What they have in common is both groups are composed of people who hold that they are the only ones who know what is right

The type of thinking that was part and parcel of Stalinist Russia or Chinas' worst excesses during the 'Cultural Revolution'

Yep agreed. The headline that they said the protest is their 'Moral Duty' just shows the arrogance of SmashEDO. This self important term sums up their attitude of 'We're right and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong!'

But if protesters didn't think they were morally right why would they bother? I'm guessing you can't make the same claim about your beliefs.

It seems to me that you are hardly a shining example of someone who is open to the possibility that you might be wrong. In fact you are always expressing your opinion on behalf of others. And by others you seem to mean everyone.

There's always one isn't there Bob Day;)

Actually not every protest is as a result of a self righteous moral conviction uber alles.

And what differentiates these two groups from other, less self righteous groups, is a claim to be the holders of some esoteric truth denied to the rest of us, and their conviction that the fate of the world as we know it rests on their shoulders.

Neither claim of course holds anymore water than a sieve would of course.

The global manufacturing of, nor the trading in arms will cease because some individuals chain themselves to a fence along some backwater road.

Nor will parading up and down screeching about Militant Islam alter the fact that the EDL is actually targetting Muslims rather than a, relatively speaking, minor political faction.

So here we have another thing they share. The preference for soft easy targets that will not require too much thought, foresight or planning ;)

Hotbeans wrote:

charlie smirke wrote:

Crystal Ball wrote: Here's an idea: on the day, identify them, round them up, put them in a field and let the little wastes-of-space fight each other to the death Battle Royale-style. Then the rest of the people in the town can enjoy the day and what it has to offer without these unwashed oiks making a nusiance of themselves to all-and-sundry. Thank you.

Brilliant idea! Then perhaps we can have a city free from protesters, squatters and all the other free-loaders that seem to want to take over Brighton.

Yes much better to have a load of compliant wage slaves ignorant and too cowardly to do anything other than watch soaps and believe all they read in the media. Enjoy your blue pills 'people' !

Are you seriously trying to imply having a job is a bad thing?
Wow, great way to have any comments taken seriously...

Bob Day wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

mimseycal wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
EDL and SmashEDO - do they have different agendas? Yes of course. So what do they have in common? They both love causing chaos and perhaps getting the chance to get in a good ruck with the police. I think many people look at both groups and see the line between them blurring.

What they have in common is both groups are composed of people who hold that they are the only ones who know what is right

The type of thinking that was part and parcel of Stalinist Russia or Chinas' worst excesses during the 'Cultural Revolution'

Yep agreed. The headline that they said the protest is their 'Moral Duty' just shows the arrogance of SmashEDO. This self important term sums up their attitude of 'We're right and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong!'

But if protesters didn't think they were morally right why would they bother? I'm guessing you can't make the same claim about your beliefs.

It seems to me that you are hardly a shining example of someone who is open to the possibility that you might be wrong. In fact you are always expressing your opinion on behalf of others. And by others you seem to mean everyone.

Bob Day - hmm nice new username that's come out of nowhere eh? And where's Gaz Scott gone?? Hello Gaz, it's ok you can use your usual name if you like.

AmboGuy wrote:

Bob Day wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

mimseycal wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
EDL and SmashEDO - do they have different agendas? Yes of course. So what do they have in common? They both love causing chaos and perhaps getting the chance to get in a good ruck with the police. I think many people look at both groups and see the line between them blurring.

What they have in common is both groups are composed of people who hold that they are the only ones who know what is right

The type of thinking that was part and parcel of Stalinist Russia or Chinas' worst excesses during the 'Cultural Revolution'

Yep agreed. The headline that they said the protest is their 'Moral Duty' just shows the arrogance of SmashEDO. This self important term sums up their attitude of 'We're right and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong!'

But if protesters didn't think they were morally right why would they bother? I'm guessing you can't make the same claim about your beliefs.

It seems to me that you are hardly a shining example of someone who is open to the possibility that you might be wrong. In fact you are always expressing your opinion on behalf of others. And by others you seem to mean everyone.

Bob Day - hmm nice new username that's come out of nowhere eh? And where's Gaz Scott gone?? Hello Gaz, it's ok you can use your usual name if you like.

AmboGuy you're so sweet. Did you miss me?

We don't all spend our lives glued to the Argus comments board as I've said before. You'll just have to learn to deal with my little absences.

That said I really do spend more time here than I should do. But as the comment board is now the Argus's front page news source I might just have to re-evaluate that (only joking - life's too short).

Or is it just that someone else might see through you and dare criticise? Maybe you think I'm pperrin since he seems well aware of your ways of dealing with argument too!

Anyway nice day and things to do so please don't fret if I'm away for too long.

Gazzer Scott, Bright I'm Not wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

Bob Day wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

mimseycal wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
EDL and SmashEDO - do they have different agendas? Yes of course. So what do they have in common? They both love causing chaos and perhaps getting the chance to get in a good ruck with the police. I think many people look at both groups and see the line between them blurring.

What they have in common is both groups are composed of people who hold that they are the only ones who know what is right

The type of thinking that was part and parcel of Stalinist Russia or Chinas' worst excesses during the 'Cultural Revolution'

Yep agreed. The headline that they said the protest is their 'Moral Duty' just shows the arrogance of SmashEDO. This self important term sums up their attitude of 'We're right and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong!'

But if protesters didn't think they were morally right why would they bother? I'm guessing you can't make the same claim about your beliefs.

It seems to me that you are hardly a shining example of someone who is open to the possibility that you might be wrong. In fact you are always expressing your opinion on behalf of others. And by others you seem to mean everyone.

Bob Day - hmm nice new username that's come out of nowhere eh? And where's Gaz Scott gone?? Hello Gaz, it's ok you can use your usual name if you like.

Bob Day and gaz scott are clearly one and the same and how ridiculous that someone should feel the need to post with a different name in what I assume is an attempt to garner support.

The message remains the same, ridiculous, nonsensical and representative of under circa 0.001% of the population. Please desist!

" how ridiculous that someone should feel the need to post with a different name"

Quite agree with you "Gazzer Scott, Bright I'm Not" aka "Bladesboy Returns" aka many other aliases.

gaz scott wrote:

Gazzer Scott, Bright I'm Not wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

Bob Day wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

mimseycal wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
EDL and SmashEDO - do they have different agendas? Yes of course. So what do they have in common? They both love causing chaos and perhaps getting the chance to get in a good ruck with the police. I think many people look at both groups and see the line between them blurring.

What they have in common is both groups are composed of people who hold that they are the only ones who know what is right

The type of thinking that was part and parcel of Stalinist Russia or Chinas' worst excesses during the 'Cultural Revolution'

Yep agreed. The headline that they said the protest is their 'Moral Duty' just shows the arrogance of SmashEDO. This self important term sums up their attitude of 'We're right and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong!'

But if protesters didn't think they were morally right why would they bother? I'm guessing you can't make the same claim about your beliefs.

It seems to me that you are hardly a shining example of someone who is open to the possibility that you might be wrong. In fact you are always expressing your opinion on behalf of others. And by others you seem to mean everyone.

Bob Day - hmm nice new username that's come out of nowhere eh? And where's Gaz Scott gone?? Hello Gaz, it's ok you can use your usual name if you like.

Bob Day and gaz scott are clearly one and the same and how ridiculous that someone should feel the need to post with a different name in what I assume is an attempt to garner support.

The message remains the same, ridiculous, nonsensical and representative of under circa 0.001% of the population. Please desist!

" how ridiculous that someone should feel the need to post with a different name"

Quite agree with you "Gazzer Scott, Bright I'm Not" aka "Bladesboy Returns" aka many other aliases.

What a shame people don't listen to and take comments made by the likes of gaz scott (bob day) seriously.

What's really amusing is the fact that gaz is clearly insanely passionate about his little cog in a massive and effective machine, which functions very well without it.

Oh gaz scott, bright you're not!

Gazzer Scott, Bright I'm Not:
" how ridiculous that someone should feel the need to post with a different name"

Quite agree with you "Gazzer Scott, Bright I'm Not" aka "Bladesboy Returns", "Bob Day-Light, I'm not too bright", aka many other aliases.

What are you like?

gaz scott wrote:
Gazzer Scott, Bright I'm Not:
" how ridiculous that someone should feel the need to post with a different name"

Quite agree with you "Gazzer Scott, Bright I'm Not" aka "Bladesboy Returns", "Bob Day-Light, I'm not too bright", aka many other aliases.

What are you like?

I think everyone is clear what she is like gaz, how could anyone be in doubt that they are nothing more than a lonely retard

I don't like anyone using the word 'retard' in a derogatory manner. My wife will confirm I have been a complete retard for many years now and do not see why it should be used as an insult anymore. After many years of sitting the wrong way around on the toilet and attending football matches I feel confident to lick whoevers windows I choose, and I'll be voting Green next time as well.

I was considering organising a march to express various self-important, moronic, and extreme views but there is such a long waiting list for Brighton.

I need to get back to bottom-burping into peanut packs before they're sealed. Then I might do some town planning.

This whole thing about us being 'rivals' has been blown out of all proportion, probably by The Argus looking to have a big headline.
We support SmashEDO and, on the whole, many of them support us. I don't know why people struggle with this concept and why people accuse me of hypopcrisy. We have marched before with SmashEDO and once we put them straight on the lies that get said about us we were very well received.

EDL Supporter wrote:
This whole thing about us being 'rivals' has been blown out of all proportion, probably by The Argus looking to have a big headline.
We support SmashEDO and, on the whole, many of them support us. I don't know why people struggle with this concept and why people accuse me of hypopcrisy. We have marched before with SmashEDO and once we put them straight on the lies that get said about us we were very well received.

Nice to see the EDL have finally seen the error of their ways and come over from the dark-side.

We always knew they were closet "reds" and would finally be persuaded by the strength of our arguments. No Surrender eh boys!

I hope Ben Parsons doesn't get too excited and carried away with this latest "scoop" from his news source.

gaz scott wrote:

EDL Supporter wrote:
This whole thing about us being 'rivals' has been blown out of all proportion, probably by The Argus looking to have a big headline.
We support SmashEDO and, on the whole, many of them support us. I don't know why people struggle with this concept and why people accuse me of hypopcrisy. We have marched before with SmashEDO and once we put them straight on the lies that get said about us we were very well received.

Nice to see the EDL have finally seen the error of their ways and come over from the dark-side.

We always knew they were closet "reds" and would finally be persuaded by the strength of our arguments. No Surrender eh boys!

I hope Ben Parsons doesn't get too excited and carried away with this latest "scoop" from his news source.

There's no 'coming over to the dark side'. As I have said on numerous occasions EDL have joined SmashEDO marches in the past. We are not against you but we are not 'becoming part of you' either. It's a shame you seem to be the only SmashEDO supporter who doesn't in any way support our cause as all the others we've spoken to seem to be very receptive to our cause.

EDL Supporter wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

EDL Supporter wrote:
This whole thing about us being 'rivals' has been blown out of all proportion, probably by The Argus looking to have a big headline.
We support SmashEDO and, on the whole, many of them support us. I don't know why people struggle with this concept and why people accuse me of hypopcrisy. We have marched before with SmashEDO and once we put them straight on the lies that get said about us we were very well received.

Nice to see the EDL have finally seen the error of their ways and come over from the dark-side.

We always knew they were closet "reds" and would finally be persuaded by the strength of our arguments. No Surrender eh boys!

I hope Ben Parsons doesn't get too excited and carried away with this latest "scoop" from his news source.

There's no 'coming over to the dark side'. As I have said on numerous occasions EDL have joined SmashEDO marches in the past. We are not against you but we are not 'becoming part of you' either. It's a shame you seem to be the only SmashEDO supporter who doesn't in any way support our cause as all the others we've spoken to seem to be very receptive to our cause.

I think you should look at the Facebook group page of the organisation you claim to represent ( for Mighty Brighton Infidels on Facebook) and you'll see how the local EDL feel about this dodgy article. You'll see why you're only fooling yourself and a silly journalist as I'm pretty sure everyone else sees through you.

Why exactly are you trying to ratchet up tension and cause more disruption?

(And if you must 'quote' me please get it right.)

That does not sum up the majority. They are saying that we are not planning to counter your march - which we're not! There are a sizeable number of us who'll be joining your march. READ THE ARTICLE PROPERLY and you'd see this.

I have been reading this topic and think I should set some things straight. As as a long term member of EDL I can say that we have marched ALONGSIDE SmashEDO in the past and will continue to come together in the future. I don't know why this Gaz Scott has a problem with this. I have worn my EDL tshirt on previous SmashEDO marches and have never had any problems with this. As Dave (EDL Supporter) has already said we actually get on very well with SmashEDO and so I don't think that one person will deter us from continuing to march alongside our SmashEDO brothers and sisters.

Patriotic Brit wrote:
I have been reading this topic and think I should set some things straight. As as a long term member of EDL I can say that we have marched ALONGSIDE SmashEDO in the past and will continue to come together in the future. I don't know why this Gaz Scott has a problem with this. I have worn my EDL tshirt on previous SmashEDO marches and have never had any problems with this. As Dave (EDL Supporter) has already said we actually get on very well with SmashEDO and so I don't think that one person will deter us from continuing to march alongside our SmashEDO brothers and sisters.

Whatever. No surrender, blah blah blah...

I think naive journo Ben Parsons should have realised by now how much any small amount of credibility he might have had has been damaged by this ridiculous article and its dodgy source.

I think you'd both benefit from reading up a bit more on the fundamental differences between left-wing and right-wing politics.

Patriotic Brit wrote:
I have been reading this topic and think I should set some things straight. As as a long term member of EDL I can say that we have marched ALONGSIDE SmashEDO in the past and will continue to come together in the future. I don't know why this Gaz Scott has a problem with this. I have worn my EDL tshirt on previous SmashEDO marches and have never had any problems with this. As Dave (EDL Supporter) has already said we actually get on very well with SmashEDO and so I don't think that one person will deter us from continuing to march alongside our SmashEDO brothers and sisters.

Ah well, myopic fervour and political expediency have always resulted in some really strange bedfellows ;)

mimseycal wrote:

Patriotic Brit wrote:
I have been reading this topic and think I should set some things straight. As as a long term member of EDL I can say that we have marched ALONGSIDE SmashEDO in the past and will continue to come together in the future. I don't know why this Gaz Scott has a problem with this. I have worn my EDL tshirt on previous SmashEDO marches and have never had any problems with this. As Dave (EDL Supporter) has already said we actually get on very well with SmashEDO and so I don't think that one person will deter us from continuing to march alongside our SmashEDO brothers and sisters.

Ah well, myopic fervour and political expediency have always resulted in some really strange bedfellows ;)

I don't think that we're 'strange bedfellows'. Having talked to SmashEDO marchers on a previous protest we actually have a lot in common. This whole 'you're right wing but they're left wing' has just been created by the media. We will march alongside them again and will look for closer ties in the future.

No? Well, you wouldn't think so I daresay as you evidently do not look beyond the immediate.

You see, actions have consequences and movements have inherent ramifications. That is where myopic fervour and political expediency comes in its own. It really has nothing to do with the left vs. right wing divide ;)

mimseycal wrote:
No? Well, you wouldn't think so I daresay as you evidently do not look beyond the immediate.

You see, actions have consequences and movements have inherent ramifications. That is where myopic fervour and political expediency comes in its own. It really has nothing to do with the left vs. right wing divide ;)

At the end of the day members of EDL have been on SmashEDO marches just as I've seen a few SmashEDO members on an EDL march before. People just need to get over this fact as it's really not that amazing.

Like I said ... strange bedfellows ;)

Smash EDO should combine formally with EDL.
They just need a new name.
How about... Smash EDL?

HA! Great idea but really unnecessary ... EDL after all are on the down and out judging by their latest attempt to forge alliances; Amsterdam 2010 which is acknoiwledged as having been a bit of a "damp squib" and their latest in Denmark where they were outnumbered 20-1.
Joining with Smash EDO is probably no more than a rather pathetic attempt to show they amount to something ;)

mimseycal wrote:
HA! Great idea but really unnecessary ... EDL after all are on the down and out judging by their latest attempt to forge alliances; Amsterdam 2010 which is acknoiwledged as having been a bit of a "damp squib" and their latest in Denmark where they were outnumbered 20-1.
Joining with Smash EDO is probably no more than a rather pathetic attempt to show they amount to something ;)

So how does that explain some of SmashEDO joining us on EDL marches as this has happened in the past??

Much of a muchness really ... They are not exactly a group of world shattering renown or importance really.

Take a flyweight, add another flyweight and the scales may show a nice total but when you really come down to it ... it's only two flyweights ;)

Well we've always known that SmashEDO are just a bunch of thugs hiding behind their 'cause'. It seems now that their true nature has been uncovered. Gaz Scott can come on here complaining of 'bad journalism' or 'bogus people' posting on here but his recent silence speaks volumes! SmashEDO you have been found out.

AmboGuy wrote:
Well we've always known that SmashEDO are just a bunch of thugs hiding behind their 'cause'. It seems now that their true nature has been uncovered. Gaz Scott can come on here complaining of 'bad journalism' or 'bogus people' posting on here but his recent silence speaks volumes! SmashEDO you have been found out.

I thought this thread had died and I have got better things to do (it's called a life) than trawl these pages all day every day. Should I have waited for Bladesboy to officially close it as he often feels compelled to do?

You can interpret "silence" how you like but was I supposed to respond to a question/point and didn't? As it is I've responded to this bogus EDL poster many times but he can't seem to articulate his politics so all a bit futile really. You do seem to be pushing this Ambo. I wonder why? Wink wink.

SmashEDO found out? Do me a favour!