Poyet: I got it wrong

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  Albion boss Gus Poyet has admitted he got his tactics wrong in tonight's 2-2 comeback against Millwall at The Amex.


  Poyet started with three centre halves after right-back Inigo Calderon had been ruled out by a knee injury.


  He made a change after 39 minutes, bringing on winger Kazenga LuaLua in place of central defender Lewis Dunk, and LuaLua struck the Seagulls' opening goal as they recovered from 2-0 down.


  Poyet told The Argus: "I made a bad decision to play three centre halves. It didn't work, so the first half-an-hour was all down to me.


  "I feel really bad for Dunky, because if it happened to me I would probably die. It was nothing to do with his performance. It was my mistake, my decision.


  "We needed to react and the character was there. It was a proper fightback, a bit crazy but desire, character and belief. In the end you take a point, because I thought it was a great comeback from the boys."

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12:42am Wed 19 Dec 12

gusset snatcher says...

you got it wrong when u got rid of glen..... own up and stop bleating about the bush
you got it wrong when u got rid of glen..... own up and stop bleating about the bush gusset snatcher

12:42am Wed 19 Dec 12

Gazza by the sea says...

Very fair assessment.
Very fair assessment. Gazza by the sea

12:45am Wed 19 Dec 12

gusset snatcher says...

And another thing.... don't lie and say you didn't have the money.... liar
And another thing.... don't lie and say you didn't have the money.... liar gusset snatcher

12:57am Wed 19 Dec 12

Martha Gunn says...

All a bit peculiar - but a great recovery.
All a bit peculiar - but a great recovery. Martha Gunn

1:04am Wed 19 Dec 12

Baldseagull says...

How nice of the stewarding team, that ejected North standers for refusing to sit last week, to allow Millwall supporters to stand throughout the game and take their beers in with them tonight.
A fast train to london bridge waiting for them at the end as well.
How nice of the stewarding team, that ejected North standers for refusing to sit last week, to allow Millwall supporters to stand throughout the game and take their beers in with them tonight. A fast train to london bridge waiting for them at the end as well. Baldseagull

1:34am Wed 19 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

I am pleased that Gus took it on the chin, it shows the measure of the man.

If nothing else the decision he felt he had to make with his line up, a decision stemming from a lack of an extra center back, shows that we should not only be thinking about a striker.
I am pleased that Gus took it on the chin, it shows the measure of the man. If nothing else the decision he felt he had to make with his line up, a decision stemming from a lack of an extra center back, shows that we should not only be thinking about a striker. VegasSeagull

2:51am Wed 19 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season,
Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money.
Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid.
Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are.
Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.
The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season, Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money. Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid. Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are. Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards. mark by the sea

6:55am Wed 19 Dec 12

Aylesburyseagull says...

Listening to the commentary on 5LSX, we were very poor first half, but all credit to Gus in admitting it was his fault and not blaming the team.
I hope LD won't be too downhearted, being subbed before half time.

Interesting to see Kenny Jackett's interview on SSN saying we are probably the best team his side have come up against, just shows that WHEN we get a new striker, we should have no problems getting back on track.

UTA
Listening to the commentary on 5LSX, we were very poor first half, but all credit to Gus in admitting it was his fault and not blaming the team. I hope LD won't be too downhearted, being subbed before half time. Interesting to see Kenny Jackett's interview on SSN saying we are probably the best team his side have come up against, just shows that WHEN we get a new striker, we should have no problems getting back on track. UTA Aylesburyseagull

7:02am Wed 19 Dec 12

seagullsays says...

Fair enough Gus holding his hands to a mistake, but I think I don't think the defense was the problem. A dysfunctional midfield, and an ineffective frontline was the problem. Great effort and drive fron Lua Lua when he came on, changed the atmosphere and game immediately. We need to start home games looking for a win, not trying to avoid a defeat.
Fair enough Gus holding his hands to a mistake, but I think I don't think the defense was the problem. A dysfunctional midfield, and an ineffective frontline was the problem. Great effort and drive fron Lua Lua when he came on, changed the atmosphere and game immediately. We need to start home games looking for a win, not trying to avoid a defeat. seagullsays

7:04am Wed 19 Dec 12

seagullsays says...

seagullsays wrote:
Fair enough Gus holding his hands to a mistake, but I think I don't think the defense was the problem. A dysfunctional midfield, and an ineffective frontline was the problem. Great effort and drive fron Lua Lua when he came on, changed the atmosphere and game immediately. We need to start home games looking for a win, not trying to avoid a defeat.
That should be "i don't think" only in first line. Just got up!
[quote][p][bold]seagullsays[/bold] wrote: Fair enough Gus holding his hands to a mistake, but I think I don't think the defense was the problem. A dysfunctional midfield, and an ineffective frontline was the problem. Great effort and drive fron Lua Lua when he came on, changed the atmosphere and game immediately. We need to start home games looking for a win, not trying to avoid a defeat.[/p][/quote]That should be "i don't think" only in first line. Just got up! seagullsays

7:12am Wed 19 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

mark by the sea wrote:
The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season,
Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money.
Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid.
Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are.
Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.
Agreed where Murray is concerned, Wood was young but his potential should have been spotted by our management team. Perhaps Gus needs to listen more and take advise before committing. Still think Macca will come good, and along side Wood, who knows,his two quality goals last night will make his signature difficult come January.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season, Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money. Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid. Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are. Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.[/p][/quote]Agreed where Murray is concerned, Wood was young but his potential should have been spotted by our management team. Perhaps Gus needs to listen more and take advise before committing. Still think Macca will come good, and along side Wood, who knows,his two quality goals last night will make his signature difficult come January. Alfie T

7:26am Wed 19 Dec 12

Far gull says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
All a bit peculiar - but a great recovery.
Interesting . I wonder do you sit in the upper east by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: All a bit peculiar - but a great recovery.[/p][/quote]Interesting . I wonder do you sit in the upper east by any chance? Far gull

7:28am Wed 19 Dec 12

Ringmer Rich says...

Alfie T wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season,
Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money.
Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid.
Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are.
Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.
Agreed where Murray is concerned, Wood was young but his potential should have been spotted by our management team. Perhaps Gus needs to listen more and take advise before committing. Still think Macca will come good, and along side Wood, who knows,his two quality goals last night will make his signature difficult come January.
Oh come on, when Wood played for us he was awful. He could strike a ball well, but that was all he had to his game. I think he still wouldn't fit well into our side because he is too slow.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season, Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money. Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid. Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are. Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.[/p][/quote]Agreed where Murray is concerned, Wood was young but his potential should have been spotted by our management team. Perhaps Gus needs to listen more and take advise before committing. Still think Macca will come good, and along side Wood, who knows,his two quality goals last night will make his signature difficult come January.[/p][/quote]Oh come on, when Wood played for us he was awful. He could strike a ball well, but that was all he had to his game. I think he still wouldn't fit well into our side because he is too slow. Ringmer Rich

7:35am Wed 19 Dec 12

Far gull says...

Hope we don't blow a fortune on wood. Just a striker on a good run .
Hope we don't blow a fortune on wood. Just a striker on a good run . Far gull

7:41am Wed 19 Dec 12

weststandupperlacostearmy says...

Right decision Gus to admit it was your fault...well done! Now you know whats needed in Jan. Hope Uncle Tony plays Santa and not scrooge!
Right decision Gus to admit it was your fault...well done! Now you know whats needed in Jan. Hope Uncle Tony plays Santa and not scrooge! weststandupperlacostearmy

7:43am Wed 19 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Ringmer Rich wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season,
Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money.
Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid.
Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are.
Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.
Agreed where Murray is concerned, Wood was young but his potential should have been spotted by our management team. Perhaps Gus needs to listen more and take advise before committing. Still think Macca will come good, and along side Wood, who knows,his two quality goals last night will make his signature difficult come January.
Oh come on, when Wood played for us he was awful. He could strike a ball well, but that was all he had to his game. I think he still wouldn't fit well into our side because he is too slow.
He was awful, but clearly like Murray under rated by Gus, remember we only see him in games,
He will score more than cms this season, and more than Hoskins, Barnes and Dobbie put together.
There will be a number of clubs trying to sign wood, we could have taken a gamble on him.
In Gus own words ' he was a boy, now a man"
Time for us to buy the right forward.
[quote][p][bold]Ringmer Rich[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season, Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money. Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid. Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are. Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.[/p][/quote]Agreed where Murray is concerned, Wood was young but his potential should have been spotted by our management team. Perhaps Gus needs to listen more and take advise before committing. Still think Macca will come good, and along side Wood, who knows,his two quality goals last night will make his signature difficult come January.[/p][/quote]Oh come on, when Wood played for us he was awful. He could strike a ball well, but that was all he had to his game. I think he still wouldn't fit well into our side because he is too slow.[/p][/quote]He was awful, but clearly like Murray under rated by Gus, remember we only see him in games, He will score more than cms this season, and more than Hoskins, Barnes and Dobbie put together. There will be a number of clubs trying to sign wood, we could have taken a gamble on him. In Gus own words ' he was a boy, now a man" Time for us to buy the right forward. mark by the sea

7:43am Wed 19 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Ringmer Rich wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season,
Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money.
Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid.
Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are.
Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.
Agreed where Murray is concerned, Wood was young but his potential should have been spotted by our management team. Perhaps Gus needs to listen more and take advise before committing. Still think Macca will come good, and along side Wood, who knows,his two quality goals last night will make his signature difficult come January.
Oh come on, when Wood played for us he was awful. He could strike a ball well, but that was all he had to his game. I think he still wouldn't fit well into our side because he is too slow.
He was awful, but clearly like Murray under rated by Gus, remember we only see him in games,
He will score more than cms this season, and more than Hoskins, Barnes and Dobbie put together.
There will be a number of clubs trying to sign wood, we could have taken a gamble on him.
In Gus own words ' he was a boy, now a man"
Time for us to buy the right forward.
[quote][p][bold]Ringmer Rich[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season, Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money. Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid. Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are. Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.[/p][/quote]Agreed where Murray is concerned, Wood was young but his potential should have been spotted by our management team. Perhaps Gus needs to listen more and take advise before committing. Still think Macca will come good, and along side Wood, who knows,his two quality goals last night will make his signature difficult come January.[/p][/quote]Oh come on, when Wood played for us he was awful. He could strike a ball well, but that was all he had to his game. I think he still wouldn't fit well into our side because he is too slow.[/p][/quote]He was awful, but clearly like Murray under rated by Gus, remember we only see him in games, He will score more than cms this season, and more than Hoskins, Barnes and Dobbie put together. There will be a number of clubs trying to sign wood, we could have taken a gamble on him. In Gus own words ' he was a boy, now a man" Time for us to buy the right forward. mark by the sea

7:44am Wed 19 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

Far gull wrote:
Hope we don't blow a fortune on wood. Just a striker on a good run .
Hell of a good run since he left us, Birmingham, Millwall, still just 21. Ringer R, pace is not the most important attribute, look at GM, hottest striker in the Championship.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Hope we don't blow a fortune on wood. Just a striker on a good run .[/p][/quote]Hell of a good run since he left us, Birmingham, Millwall, still just 21. Ringer R, pace is not the most important attribute, look at GM, hottest striker in the Championship. Alfie T

7:55am Wed 19 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Alfie T wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Hope we don't blow a fortune on wood. Just a striker on a good run .
Hell of a good run since he left us, Birmingham, Millwall, still just 21. Ringer R, pace is not the most important attribute, look at GM, hottest striker in the Championship.
Yes younger than barker? Gus should have seen the potential, we had him in training everyday!
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Hope we don't blow a fortune on wood. Just a striker on a good run .[/p][/quote]Hell of a good run since he left us, Birmingham, Millwall, still just 21. Ringer R, pace is not the most important attribute, look at GM, hottest striker in the Championship.[/p][/quote]Yes younger than barker? Gus should have seen the potential, we had him in training everyday! mark by the sea

8:17am Wed 19 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Hope we don't blow a fortune on wood. Just a striker on a good run .
Hell of a good run since he left us, Birmingham, Millwall, still just 21. Ringer R, pace is not the most important attribute, look at GM, hottest striker in the Championship.
Yes younger than barker? Gus should have seen the potential, we had him in training everyday!
Gus has not covered himself in glory in the striker department, full backs,midfield a different matter,lots of quality there. If we get it right in January who knows, but just look at Reading, losing every week is no fun,and I would hate to see a half empty Amex.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Hope we don't blow a fortune on wood. Just a striker on a good run .[/p][/quote]Hell of a good run since he left us, Birmingham, Millwall, still just 21. Ringer R, pace is not the most important attribute, look at GM, hottest striker in the Championship.[/p][/quote]Yes younger than barker? Gus should have seen the potential, we had him in training everyday![/p][/quote]Gus has not covered himself in glory in the striker department, full backs,midfield a different matter,lots of quality there. If we get it right in January who knows, but just look at Reading, losing every week is no fun,and I would hate to see a half empty Amex. Alfie T

8:21am Wed 19 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Alfie T wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Hope we don't blow a fortune on wood. Just a striker on a good run .
Hell of a good run since he left us, Birmingham, Millwall, still just 21. Ringer R, pace is not the most important attribute, look at GM, hottest striker in the Championship.
Yes younger than barker? Gus should have seen the potential, we had him in training everyday!
Gus has not covered himself in glory in the striker department, full backs,midfield a different matter,lots of quality there. If we get it right in January who knows, but just look at Reading, losing every week is no fun,and I would hate to see a half empty Amex.
Yes watched the Reading game Monday, no sign of Roberts? Was he injured? That would be a decent signing,
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Hope we don't blow a fortune on wood. Just a striker on a good run .[/p][/quote]Hell of a good run since he left us, Birmingham, Millwall, still just 21. Ringer R, pace is not the most important attribute, look at GM, hottest striker in the Championship.[/p][/quote]Yes younger than barker? Gus should have seen the potential, we had him in training everyday![/p][/quote]Gus has not covered himself in glory in the striker department, full backs,midfield a different matter,lots of quality there. If we get it right in January who knows, but just look at Reading, losing every week is no fun,and I would hate to see a half empty Amex.[/p][/quote]Yes watched the Reading game Monday, no sign of Roberts? Was he injured? That would be a decent signing, mark by the sea

8:28am Wed 19 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

On a positive, we have oatway junior only 20.
On a positive, we have oatway junior only 20. mark by the sea

8:39am Wed 19 Dec 12

Bushell says...

All credit to Gus for admitting he got it wrong. It was bad luck to Lose Calderon and Bruno and initially I thought it was a good call to play Adam at full back. After about 20 minutes it was obvious something was not working and credit again to Gus for changing it and bringing Kazenga on. My only frustration with Kazenga is that he does not always perform at that level, he was really good last night and changed the game and got us back in it but he needs to be at that level more. I dont think a majority of fans would have kept Wood at the time he left us and he has improved a lot since he left. Still not sure that he is the answer though.
All credit to Gus for admitting he got it wrong. It was bad luck to Lose Calderon and Bruno and initially I thought it was a good call to play Adam at full back. After about 20 minutes it was obvious something was not working and credit again to Gus for changing it and bringing Kazenga on. My only frustration with Kazenga is that he does not always perform at that level, he was really good last night and changed the game and got us back in it but he needs to be at that level more. I dont think a majority of fans would have kept Wood at the time he left us and he has improved a lot since he left. Still not sure that he is the answer though. Bushell

8:58am Wed 19 Dec 12

Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) says...

I agree with Bushell: I really don't see Woods as our panacea and sure, he raised his game last night and certainly grabbed the spotlight, but is he the answer? I'm ticking the "NO" box.
I agree with Bushell: I really don't see Woods as our panacea and sure, he raised his game last night and certainly grabbed the spotlight, but is he the answer? I'm ticking the "NO" box. Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)

9:03am Wed 19 Dec 12

smilingseagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season,
Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money.
Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid.
Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are.
Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.
Bridge, Dunk, Painter, Calderon, Greer, El-Ab, Bruno.........+ development squad

Not sure he needed to purchase another to keep the bench warm.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season, Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money. Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid. Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are. Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.[/p][/quote]Bridge, Dunk, Painter, Calderon, Greer, El-Ab, Bruno.........+ development squad Not sure he needed to purchase another to keep the bench warm. smilingseagull

9:04am Wed 19 Dec 12

Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) says...

(Of course, I meant Wood and not Woods)
(Of course, I meant Wood and not Woods) Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)

9:05am Wed 19 Dec 12

Claude Back says...

Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) wrote:
I agree with Bushell: I really don't see Woods as our panacea and sure, he raised his game last night and certainly grabbed the spotlight, but is he the answer? I'm ticking the "NO" box.
Totally agree.
[quote][p][bold]Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)[/bold] wrote: I agree with Bushell: I really don't see Woods as our panacea and sure, he raised his game last night and certainly grabbed the spotlight, but is he the answer? I'm ticking the "NO" box.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Claude Back

9:20am Wed 19 Dec 12

Baldseagull says...

I think Wood is not right for us, I am not sure if CMS is right for us either though.
I think Wood is not right for us, I am not sure if CMS is right for us either though. Baldseagull

9:42am Wed 19 Dec 12

graham w says...

i was glad to see gus own up to his dire mistake, we looked awfu,l i to felt for dunky he looked quite sad when he came off, i also thought lopez was rubbish in first half ,but in second half played like a new man, his pen was taken really well, kaz really got into the game all in all, a point well earned my jurys out on woods , admitidly hes stronger than 3 years ago, and i suppose 1mil would be my price for him ..his second goal was class a bit like kaz goal..
i was glad to see gus own up to his dire mistake, we looked awfu,l i to felt for dunky he looked quite sad when he came off, i also thought lopez was rubbish in first half ,but in second half played like a new man, his pen was taken really well, kaz really got into the game all in all, a point well earned my jurys out on woods , admitidly hes stronger than 3 years ago, and i suppose 1mil would be my price for him ..his second goal was class a bit like kaz goal.. graham w

9:42am Wed 19 Dec 12

graham w says...

i was glad to see gus own up to his dire mistake, we looked awfu,l i to felt for dunky he looked quite sad when he came off, i also thought lopez was rubbish in first half ,but in second half played like a new man, his pen was taken really well, kaz really got into the game all in all, a point well earned my jurys out on woods , admitidly hes stronger than 3 years ago, and i suppose 1mil would be my price for him ..his second goal was class a bit like kaz goal..
i was glad to see gus own up to his dire mistake, we looked awfu,l i to felt for dunky he looked quite sad when he came off, i also thought lopez was rubbish in first half ,but in second half played like a new man, his pen was taken really well, kaz really got into the game all in all, a point well earned my jurys out on woods , admitidly hes stronger than 3 years ago, and i suppose 1mil would be my price for him ..his second goal was class a bit like kaz goal.. graham w

9:43am Wed 19 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

mark by the sea wrote:
The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season,
Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money.
Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid.
Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are.
Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.
The problems last night were not caused by a lack of centre-halves, it was running out of specialist right-backs. I'm not saying we don't need another CH, but that's a different issue.

I'm not sure how much was spent on Holroyd (it was undisclosed at the time), but I doubt it was very much. And as you know there are no guarantees with any player, but especially forwards. CMS has half his season's target before Christmas - I'm sure he and Gus would have taken that before the season started.

And surely if modern football has taught us anything, it is that keeping the same 11 week in week out is tactically naive. You pick the players and formation you think has the best chance of getting the desired result against the team you are playing THAT week, unless you think Fergie, AVB, Mancini and just about every manager in the professional game is wrong? If the opposition has an obvious weakness you try and exploit it - if they have an obvious strength you try and negate it. You can't do that with a stubborn "same 11 every week" methodology.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season, Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money. Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid. Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are. Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.[/p][/quote]The problems last night were not caused by a lack of centre-halves, it was running out of specialist right-backs. I'm not saying we don't need another CH, but that's a different issue. I'm not sure how much was spent on Holroyd (it was undisclosed at the time), but I doubt it was very much. And as you know there are no guarantees with any player, but especially forwards. CMS has half his season's target before Christmas - I'm sure he and Gus would have taken that before the season started. And surely if modern football has taught us anything, it is that keeping the same 11 week in week out is tactically naive. You pick the players and formation you think has the best chance of getting the desired result against the team you are playing THAT week, unless you think Fergie, AVB, Mancini and just about every manager in the professional game is wrong? If the opposition has an obvious weakness you try and exploit it - if they have an obvious strength you try and negate it. You can't do that with a stubborn "same 11 every week" methodology. Old Scrote of the Amex

9:48am Wed 19 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

mark by the sea wrote:
The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season,
Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money.
Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid.
Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are.
Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.
Also, both Murray and Wood were AWFUL in their initial spells after leaving us. Coming good now, but then so is CMS.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season, Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money. Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid. Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are. Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.[/p][/quote]Also, both Murray and Wood were AWFUL in their initial spells after leaving us. Coming good now, but then so is CMS. Old Scrote of the Amex

10:05am Wed 19 Dec 12

pjwilk says...

Credit Gus ,he made a mistake.Lua Lua needs to start every game.We need a player like Trotter,he was good last season and still is we have nothing like him in midfield except from Bridcut.Would have been nice to see Murray and Wood still on our books but lets move on.What exactly does our scouting team do.
Credit Gus ,he made a mistake.Lua Lua needs to start every game.We need a player like Trotter,he was good last season and still is we have nothing like him in midfield except from Bridcut.Would have been nice to see Murray and Wood still on our books but lets move on.What exactly does our scouting team do. pjwilk

10:10am Wed 19 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

pjwilk wrote:
Credit Gus ,he made a mistake.Lua Lua needs to start every game.We need a player like Trotter,he was good last season and still is we have nothing like him in midfield except from Bridcut.Would have been nice to see Murray and Wood still on our books but lets move on.What exactly does our scouting team do.
It's funny - no-one was particularly fussed to see Wood leave after his loan spell ended. We are relying far too heavily on hindsight! And Murray was rubbish in his first season at Palace - how many were clamouring for his return then? Given a choice between GM and CMS, it's CMS every day for me.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Credit Gus ,he made a mistake.Lua Lua needs to start every game.We need a player like Trotter,he was good last season and still is we have nothing like him in midfield except from Bridcut.Would have been nice to see Murray and Wood still on our books but lets move on.What exactly does our scouting team do.[/p][/quote]It's funny - no-one was particularly fussed to see Wood leave after his loan spell ended. We are relying far too heavily on hindsight! And Murray was rubbish in his first season at Palace - how many were clamouring for his return then? Given a choice between GM and CMS, it's CMS every day for me. Old Scrote of the Amex

10:14am Wed 19 Dec 12

fairweathersupporter says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
mark by the sea wrote: The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season, Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money. Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid. Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are. Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.
The problems last night were not caused by a lack of centre-halves, it was running out of specialist right-backs. I'm not saying we don't need another CH, but that's a different issue. I'm not sure how much was spent on Holroyd (it was undisclosed at the time), but I doubt it was very much. And as you know there are no guarantees with any player, but especially forwards. CMS has half his season's target before Christmas - I'm sure he and Gus would have taken that before the season started. And surely if modern football has taught us anything, it is that keeping the same 11 week in week out is tactically naive. You pick the players and formation you think has the best chance of getting the desired result against the team you are playing THAT week, unless you think Fergie, AVB, Mancini and just about every manager in the professional game is wrong? If the opposition has an obvious weakness you try and exploit it - if they have an obvious strength you try and negate it. You can't do that with a stubborn "same 11 every week" methodology.
Agree with you scrote, so won't repeat...

3-5-2 to 4-5-1- to 4-3-2-1(ish) showed some diversity in forced circumstance from a sometimes stubborn (but talented) coach. Whatever else last night was, the side has some spirit.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: The poor decision was not signing another defender when one was clearly needed pre season, Gus has signed and spent a lot of money on forwards, from holroyd to cms, not one has been shown to be value for money. Again his tactics are about being clever, rather than solid. Pick the same 11 unless someone is injured, don't change the shape to prove how clever you are. Frustration is now creeping in, Murray and now wood are proving there are questions over your eye on forwards.[/p][/quote]The problems last night were not caused by a lack of centre-halves, it was running out of specialist right-backs. I'm not saying we don't need another CH, but that's a different issue. I'm not sure how much was spent on Holroyd (it was undisclosed at the time), but I doubt it was very much. And as you know there are no guarantees with any player, but especially forwards. CMS has half his season's target before Christmas - I'm sure he and Gus would have taken that before the season started. And surely if modern football has taught us anything, it is that keeping the same 11 week in week out is tactically naive. You pick the players and formation you think has the best chance of getting the desired result against the team you are playing THAT week, unless you think Fergie, AVB, Mancini and just about every manager in the professional game is wrong? If the opposition has an obvious weakness you try and exploit it - if they have an obvious strength you try and negate it. You can't do that with a stubborn "same 11 every week" methodology.[/p][/quote]Agree with you scrote, so won't repeat... 3-5-2 to 4-5-1- to 4-3-2-1(ish) showed some diversity in forced circumstance from a sometimes stubborn (but talented) coach. Whatever else last night was, the side has some spirit. fairweathersupporter

10:17am Wed 19 Dec 12

str8outtaDC says...

MBTS - Ashley Barnes, for all his limitations, was a good deal at 150k - right? Not sure Wood was available to sign before anyway and there were still question marks over him. Murray, we all know the story, Gus's judgement looked spot on last season when he was injured and not scoring. CMS had terrible game last night but still great signing (if maybe 1m overpriced). Dobbie has scored everywhere else he has played at this level so should come good. Hoskins for me has the most to prove - too lightweight for the Championship?
MBTS - Ashley Barnes, for all his limitations, was a good deal at 150k - right? Not sure Wood was available to sign before anyway and there were still question marks over him. Murray, we all know the story, Gus's judgement looked spot on last season when he was injured and not scoring. CMS had terrible game last night but still great signing (if maybe 1m overpriced). Dobbie has scored everywhere else he has played at this level so should come good. Hoskins for me has the most to prove - too lightweight for the Championship? str8outtaDC

10:24am Wed 19 Dec 12

Dr Baldhead says...

Sorry Old Scrote but have to strongly disagree re CMS. He has been average for us at best for far too long. I thought the miss from 6 yards against Peterborough a few weeks back was the worst I've seen at the Amex, but he surpassed that last night from 2 yards when Lua Lua placed the ball on a plate for him.

I'd like to see the club wish him well and part company amicably.
Sorry Old Scrote but have to strongly disagree re CMS. He has been average for us at best for far too long. I thought the miss from 6 yards against Peterborough a few weeks back was the worst I've seen at the Amex, but he surpassed that last night from 2 yards when Lua Lua placed the ball on a plate for him. I'd like to see the club wish him well and part company amicably. Dr Baldhead

10:29am Wed 19 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Dr Baldhead wrote:
Sorry Old Scrote but have to strongly disagree re CMS. He has been average for us at best for far too long. I thought the miss from 6 yards against Peterborough a few weeks back was the worst I've seen at the Amex, but he surpassed that last night from 2 yards when Lua Lua placed the ball on a plate for him.

I'd like to see the club wish him well and part company amicably.
I've been reading a few forums of opposition fans and even in games where CMS hasn't scored he's been mentioned as a pain in the backside and "I wish we had him". Far, FAR more to his game than scoring goals (and he still has 10 of those before Xmas).
[quote][p][bold]Dr Baldhead[/bold] wrote: Sorry Old Scrote but have to strongly disagree re CMS. He has been average for us at best for far too long. I thought the miss from 6 yards against Peterborough a few weeks back was the worst I've seen at the Amex, but he surpassed that last night from 2 yards when Lua Lua placed the ball on a plate for him. I'd like to see the club wish him well and part company amicably.[/p][/quote]I've been reading a few forums of opposition fans and even in games where CMS hasn't scored he's been mentioned as a pain in the backside and "I wish we had him". Far, FAR more to his game than scoring goals (and he still has 10 of those before Xmas). Old Scrote of the Amex

10:50am Wed 19 Dec 12

Clean Sheet says...

I think when we let Wood go back to the other Albion, we already had Barnes under contract, and Barnes, also young, appeared a better prospect than Wood. Wood added nothing over Barnes. In hindsight, that was probably the right decision. Barnes is very adaptable, and will also score goals. Wood less adaptable. Would he score more than Barnes for the Albion? Who knows, I don't, but GP probably does.
I think when we let Wood go back to the other Albion, we already had Barnes under contract, and Barnes, also young, appeared a better prospect than Wood. Wood added nothing over Barnes. In hindsight, that was probably the right decision. Barnes is very adaptable, and will also score goals. Wood less adaptable. Would he score more than Barnes for the Albion? Who knows, I don't, but GP probably does. Clean Sheet

10:57am Wed 19 Dec 12

Tommy11 says...

I have to admit...I have seen some players have stinkers in my time, most notbaly Damian Hilton, every game that Joe Gatting played & 'the so called Nigerian International Akinboya' who played 60 mins, came off and never to be seen again.

HOWEVER, I think that CMS performance last night takes some beating! What a dreadful game Goldy Locks had.... he looked like he never played football in his life!

I have always backed Craig..but my word.. I'm losing paitance with him. He seems to have a 1 good game in about 5. Sorry Gus.. not good enough....
I have to admit...I have seen some players have stinkers in my time, most notbaly Damian Hilton, every game that Joe Gatting played & 'the so called Nigerian International Akinboya' who played 60 mins, came off and never to be seen again. HOWEVER, I think that CMS performance last night takes some beating! What a dreadful game Goldy Locks had.... he looked like he never played football in his life! I have always backed Craig..but my word.. I'm losing paitance with him. He seems to have a 1 good game in about 5. Sorry Gus.. not good enough.... Tommy11

11:40am Wed 19 Dec 12

mark5 says...

Chris Woods would give us an option up front who can score goals and hold the ball up. However, he is not the main "one", in my opinion. We must look to the Premiership for the quality we need, if top 6 is still the objective. I wholeheartedly agree that CMS is not good enough at the moment, nor are Hoskins, Barnes and Dobbie! Does this mean that they are poor at this level, or that they cannot play Gus's style. Looking at the experience with Murray and Wood it would be an absolute travesty if another club were to get CMS scoring for fun! Huge decision on the strike force needed in January, i.e do they let CMS go or bring some quality in to help his game, or lose him and bring others to replace and improve. I bet Gus is feeling the pressure for the first time and let us hope he makes the right decisions whatever they are. Mistakes have certainly been made, significantly in the striker department to date and this must be remedied in Jan, otherwise we will slip to mid table and those extra seats will not be sold. Momentum is the key!
Chris Woods would give us an option up front who can score goals and hold the ball up. However, he is not the main "one", in my opinion. We must look to the Premiership for the quality we need, if top 6 is still the objective. I wholeheartedly agree that CMS is not good enough at the moment, nor are Hoskins, Barnes and Dobbie! Does this mean that they are poor at this level, or that they cannot play Gus's style. Looking at the experience with Murray and Wood it would be an absolute travesty if another club were to get CMS scoring for fun! Huge decision on the strike force needed in January, i.e do they let CMS go or bring some quality in to help his game, or lose him and bring others to replace and improve. I bet Gus is feeling the pressure for the first time and let us hope he makes the right decisions whatever they are. Mistakes have certainly been made, significantly in the striker department to date and this must be remedied in Jan, otherwise we will slip to mid table and those extra seats will not be sold. Momentum is the key! mark5

11:55am Wed 19 Dec 12

seagulltess says...

Just have to agree with earlier post re: Mackail Smith; Crowd love a player who gives his all, but control and ability to put the ball in the net woeful. Really missing far to many chances; the one last night from 2yds was crazy. Lopez last night in 2nd half was class and we could easily have won the game. Just hope Gus gets it right on saturday and that we have a go at Blackburn as we are capable of getting all 3 pts.
Just have to agree with earlier post re: Mackail Smith; Crowd love a player who gives his all, but control and ability to put the ball in the net woeful. Really missing far to many chances; the one last night from 2yds was crazy. Lopez last night in 2nd half was class and we could easily have won the game. Just hope Gus gets it right on saturday and that we have a go at Blackburn as we are capable of getting all 3 pts. seagulltess

12:01pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

seagulltess wrote:
Just have to agree with earlier post re: Mackail Smith; Crowd love a player who gives his all, but control and ability to put the ball in the net woeful. Really missing far to many chances; the one last night from 2yds was crazy. Lopez last night in 2nd half was class and we could easily have won the game. Just hope Gus gets it right on saturday and that we have a go at Blackburn as we are capable of getting all 3 pts.
Yep, an early goal at Blackburn and a much needed win could be on the cards.
[quote][p][bold]seagulltess[/bold] wrote: Just have to agree with earlier post re: Mackail Smith; Crowd love a player who gives his all, but control and ability to put the ball in the net woeful. Really missing far to many chances; the one last night from 2yds was crazy. Lopez last night in 2nd half was class and we could easily have won the game. Just hope Gus gets it right on saturday and that we have a go at Blackburn as we are capable of getting all 3 pts.[/p][/quote]Yep, an early goal at Blackburn and a much needed win could be on the cards. Alfie T

12:56pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Neillo says...

CMS - never was and never will be a six yard box type of finisher. The style of play advocated by Poyet provides the opportunities but there is nobody to take them.

Kevin Phillips would be a good acquisition, maybe not for whole games, but as an impact player. Probably being lined up for Palace however.
CMS - never was and never will be a six yard box type of finisher. The style of play advocated by Poyet provides the opportunities but there is nobody to take them. Kevin Phillips would be a good acquisition, maybe not for whole games, but as an impact player. Probably being lined up for Palace however. Neillo

1:12pm Wed 19 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

At the start of our first year in this division Gus was given a budget to build a team good enough to stay at this level, he did more. At the start of this year he was given a budget to improve the team, to build a team that might challenge for top six, he is doing so.
Gus has made it clear that new players will come in, we will continue our quest for the top six spot, still half the season to go.

For me Brighton are still on track, we are out of nothing. If twenty goals in a season is considered good then CMS is also on track, he has half that number half way thru the season, he is not letting us down. The problem is, we only have one CMS. The question is, did Gus have enough money at the start of this season to go and buy another CMS, the sale of Noone suggests not.

It is very obvious that Gus has sat down with the board and told them what he needs if he is to get the team where the board want them to be. More money has been made available, new money. Will we sell, possibly, will we sell someone that some of us don't want sold, possibly but it's a jigsaw puzzle, you don't see the whole picture untill the last piece has been put in place.

Those that want to pick holes in our squad or our manager should wait untill the end of the season arrives for only then will we know what kind of year we have had.
At the start of our first year in this division Gus was given a budget to build a team good enough to stay at this level, he did more. At the start of this year he was given a budget to improve the team, to build a team that might challenge for top six, he is doing so. Gus has made it clear that new players will come in, we will continue our quest for the top six spot, still half the season to go. For me Brighton are still on track, we are out of nothing. If twenty goals in a season is considered good then CMS is also on track, he has half that number half way thru the season, he is not letting us down. The problem is, we only have one CMS. The question is, did Gus have enough money at the start of this season to go and buy another CMS, the sale of Noone suggests not. It is very obvious that Gus has sat down with the board and told them what he needs if he is to get the team where the board want them to be. More money has been made available, new money. Will we sell, possibly, will we sell someone that some of us don't want sold, possibly but it's a jigsaw puzzle, you don't see the whole picture untill the last piece has been put in place. Those that want to pick holes in our squad or our manager should wait untill the end of the season arrives for only then will we know what kind of year we have had. VegasSeagull

1:21pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Freeloaders says...

str8outtaDC wrote:
MBTS - Ashley Barnes, for all his limitations, was a good deal at 150k - right? Not sure Wood was available to sign before anyway and there were still question marks over him. Murray, we all know the story, Gus's judgement looked spot on last season when he was injured and not scoring. CMS had terrible game last night but still great signing (if maybe 1m overpriced). Dobbie has scored everywhere else he has played at this level so should come good. Hoskins for me has the most to prove - too lightweight for the Championship?
Where do you get 150k my friend?Im sorry to say it was 500k plus wages.My understanding Hoskins 750k plus wages.Now we have Dobbie a player of 30 years of age on a three year deal.Can't see the club getting much money back on these deals
[quote][p][bold]str8outtaDC[/bold] wrote: MBTS - Ashley Barnes, for all his limitations, was a good deal at 150k - right? Not sure Wood was available to sign before anyway and there were still question marks over him. Murray, we all know the story, Gus's judgement looked spot on last season when he was injured and not scoring. CMS had terrible game last night but still great signing (if maybe 1m overpriced). Dobbie has scored everywhere else he has played at this level so should come good. Hoskins for me has the most to prove - too lightweight for the Championship?[/p][/quote]Where do you get 150k my friend?Im sorry to say it was 500k plus wages.My understanding Hoskins 750k plus wages.Now we have Dobbie a player of 30 years of age on a three year deal.Can't see the club getting much money back on these deals Freeloaders

1:35pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Bushell says...

To be fair to CMS the ball that was played into him in the 6 yard box was hit very hard and he hardly had any time to get himself right to tap it in.
I agree he can get better but last night he was up against two enormous defenders who held on to him at every opportunity so that he could not run on to them or around them. He has 10 goals already ( could be more I know ) so 20+ for the season is still a possibility.
Most of our opponents see him as a ' pain in the backside ' to play against so please lets keep him until the end of the season at least and see where we are then.
To be fair to CMS the ball that was played into him in the 6 yard box was hit very hard and he hardly had any time to get himself right to tap it in. I agree he can get better but last night he was up against two enormous defenders who held on to him at every opportunity so that he could not run on to them or around them. He has 10 goals already ( could be more I know ) so 20+ for the season is still a possibility. Most of our opponents see him as a ' pain in the backside ' to play against so please lets keep him until the end of the season at least and see where we are then. Bushell

1:45pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Freeloaders wrote:
str8outtaDC wrote:
MBTS - Ashley Barnes, for all his limitations, was a good deal at 150k - right? Not sure Wood was available to sign before anyway and there were still question marks over him. Murray, we all know the story, Gus's judgement looked spot on last season when he was injured and not scoring. CMS had terrible game last night but still great signing (if maybe 1m overpriced). Dobbie has scored everywhere else he has played at this level so should come good. Hoskins for me has the most to prove - too lightweight for the Championship?
Where do you get 150k my friend?Im sorry to say it was 500k plus wages.My understanding Hoskins 750k plus wages.Now we have Dobbie a player of 30 years of age on a three year deal.Can't see the club getting much money back on these deals
Ah, your fabled insider knowledge of all things professional football. Ha! All talk, no evidence.
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]str8outtaDC[/bold] wrote: MBTS - Ashley Barnes, for all his limitations, was a good deal at 150k - right? Not sure Wood was available to sign before anyway and there were still question marks over him. Murray, we all know the story, Gus's judgement looked spot on last season when he was injured and not scoring. CMS had terrible game last night but still great signing (if maybe 1m overpriced). Dobbie has scored everywhere else he has played at this level so should come good. Hoskins for me has the most to prove - too lightweight for the Championship?[/p][/quote]Where do you get 150k my friend?Im sorry to say it was 500k plus wages.My understanding Hoskins 750k plus wages.Now we have Dobbie a player of 30 years of age on a three year deal.Can't see the club getting much money back on these deals[/p][/quote]Ah, your fabled insider knowledge of all things professional football. Ha! All talk, no evidence. Old Scrote of the Amex

3:23pm Wed 19 Dec 12

fratsomrover says...

Gus got it wrong !! It didn't take me 39 minutes to realise that, it was obvious from the moment he announced his side. Last Saturday against a much better side than Millwall we created and missed countless opportunities. Frustrating, I know, but at least we were creative, positive and looked like scoring. Gus talks of his disappointment and frustration at not putting away the chances, but instead of taking the positives out of the game, names a side to beat Millwall that has three centre backs, a full back, 3 holding midfield players, one mercurial winger and a "run around a lot to little effect" centre forward. It had to be the most negative side ever fielded. Yet despite this, we could not defend. An unmarked Trotter missed a sitter from 6 yards, Woods another before 10 minutes had passed. The writing was on the wall well before Woods got on the end of an uncontested cross. How did Gus honestly believe that team last night could win the match. No punch, no creativity, a centre back at full back. We kept pumping 50 yard passes up to little lightweight CMS who was marked by the biggest defender I've seen since Mickey Droy. It was a joke!! We were never going to win the game with that team. It changed second half with Lua Lua's introduction and his goal gave us hope when there was none because up to that point we had not had a shot on target. Millwall probably aided and abetted our comeback by taking off Woods and trying to cling on to the lead. By dropping deeper they gave us possession in their half which eventually resulted in the penalty, all be it rather a soft one. We got out of jail to a degree, but didn't really warrant it. Ten draws to me represents twenty dropped points. I cant understand why Hoskins was left out, he was the player most likely to score last Saturday. I dont understand why Croft and Hammond are paired together when both are better defensively than offensively and we have the ever reliable Bridcutt already playing that role. I dont understand when we know we are playing a team with one man up front, we choose 3 centre halves to mark him. Woods showed us what we are missing and his two goals and movement in general were well worth the admission fee. I hope CMS and Barnes might learn from his movement. His run across the defender to get his first goal was sublime and totally opposite to Lua'Lua's first two contributions when he ran at and beat his man and fired a cross towards the 6 yard box, only to find CMS was still loitering at the far post. When CMS did finally make a near post run, he fluffed it. To score goals you have to create option in and around your opponents penalty box. No real surprise that with Buckley, Barnes, CMS, Hoskins and Lua Lua on the pitch we created chances. So Mr Gus, Why not start with a positive line-up in the first place and try and secure a lead that you can then hang on to and consolidate by bringing on defensive players. Surely that makes more sense if you acknowledge that draws will not get us into the play-offs.
Gus got it wrong !! It didn't take me 39 minutes to realise that, it was obvious from the moment he announced his side. Last Saturday against a much better side than Millwall we created and missed countless opportunities. Frustrating, I know, but at least we were creative, positive and looked like scoring. Gus talks of his disappointment and frustration at not putting away the chances, but instead of taking the positives out of the game, names a side to beat Millwall that has three centre backs, a full back, 3 holding midfield players, one mercurial winger and a "run around a lot to little effect" centre forward. It had to be the most negative side ever fielded. Yet despite this, we could not defend. An unmarked Trotter missed a sitter from 6 yards, Woods another before 10 minutes had passed. The writing was on the wall well before Woods got on the end of an uncontested cross. How did Gus honestly believe that team last night could win the match. No punch, no creativity, a centre back at full back. We kept pumping 50 yard passes up to little lightweight CMS who was marked by the biggest defender I've seen since Mickey Droy. It was a joke!! We were never going to win the game with that team. It changed second half with Lua Lua's introduction and his goal gave us hope when there was none because up to that point we had not had a shot on target. Millwall probably aided and abetted our comeback by taking off Woods and trying to cling on to the lead. By dropping deeper they gave us possession in their half which eventually resulted in the penalty, all be it rather a soft one. We got out of jail to a degree, but didn't really warrant it. Ten draws to me represents twenty dropped points. I cant understand why Hoskins was left out, he was the player most likely to score last Saturday. I dont understand why Croft and Hammond are paired together when both are better defensively than offensively and we have the ever reliable Bridcutt already playing that role. I dont understand when we know we are playing a team with one man up front, we choose 3 centre halves to mark him. Woods showed us what we are missing and his two goals and movement in general were well worth the admission fee. I hope CMS and Barnes might learn from his movement. His run across the defender to get his first goal was sublime and totally opposite to Lua'Lua's first two contributions when he ran at and beat his man and fired a cross towards the 6 yard box, only to find CMS was still loitering at the far post. When CMS did finally make a near post run, he fluffed it. To score goals you have to create option in and around your opponents penalty box. No real surprise that with Buckley, Barnes, CMS, Hoskins and Lua Lua on the pitch we created chances. So Mr Gus, Why not start with a positive line-up in the first place and try and secure a lead that you can then hang on to and consolidate by bringing on defensive players. Surely that makes more sense if you acknowledge that draws will not get us into the play-offs. fratsomrover

3:57pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

fratsomrover wrote:
Gus got it wrong !! It didn't take me 39 minutes to realise that, it was obvious from the moment he announced his side. Last Saturday against a much better side than Millwall we created and missed countless opportunities. Frustrating, I know, but at least we were creative, positive and looked like scoring. Gus talks of his disappointment and frustration at not putting away the chances, but instead of taking the positives out of the game, names a side to beat Millwall that has three centre backs, a full back, 3 holding midfield players, one mercurial winger and a "run around a lot to little effect" centre forward. It had to be the most negative side ever fielded. Yet despite this, we could not defend. An unmarked Trotter missed a sitter from 6 yards, Woods another before 10 minutes had passed. The writing was on the wall well before Woods got on the end of an uncontested cross. How did Gus honestly believe that team last night could win the match. No punch, no creativity, a centre back at full back. We kept pumping 50 yard passes up to little lightweight CMS who was marked by the biggest defender I've seen since Mickey Droy. It was a joke!! We were never going to win the game with that team. It changed second half with Lua Lua's introduction and his goal gave us hope when there was none because up to that point we had not had a shot on target. Millwall probably aided and abetted our comeback by taking off Woods and trying to cling on to the lead. By dropping deeper they gave us possession in their half which eventually resulted in the penalty, all be it rather a soft one. We got out of jail to a degree, but didn't really warrant it. Ten draws to me represents twenty dropped points. I cant understand why Hoskins was left out, he was the player most likely to score last Saturday. I dont understand why Croft and Hammond are paired together when both are better defensively than offensively and we have the ever reliable Bridcutt already playing that role. I dont understand when we know we are playing a team with one man up front, we choose 3 centre halves to mark him. Woods showed us what we are missing and his two goals and movement in general were well worth the admission fee. I hope CMS and Barnes might learn from his movement. His run across the defender to get his first goal was sublime and totally opposite to Lua'Lua's first two contributions when he ran at and beat his man and fired a cross towards the 6 yard box, only to find CMS was still loitering at the far post. When CMS did finally make a near post run, he fluffed it. To score goals you have to create option in and around your opponents penalty box. No real surprise that with Buckley, Barnes, CMS, Hoskins and Lua Lua on the pitch we created chances. So Mr Gus, Why not start with a positive line-up in the first place and try and secure a lead that you can then hang on to and consolidate by bringing on defensive players. Surely that makes more sense if you acknowledge that draws will not get us into the play-offs.
I only read hald your post, but quite a few flaws, not least of which is, as a point of order, Millwall took off Wood AFTER the equaliser, not before, and thus had no lead to cling onto at that point. And regarding your last point, creating leads which we then hold onto is not exactly our strong suit, is it?
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Gus got it wrong !! It didn't take me 39 minutes to realise that, it was obvious from the moment he announced his side. Last Saturday against a much better side than Millwall we created and missed countless opportunities. Frustrating, I know, but at least we were creative, positive and looked like scoring. Gus talks of his disappointment and frustration at not putting away the chances, but instead of taking the positives out of the game, names a side to beat Millwall that has three centre backs, a full back, 3 holding midfield players, one mercurial winger and a "run around a lot to little effect" centre forward. It had to be the most negative side ever fielded. Yet despite this, we could not defend. An unmarked Trotter missed a sitter from 6 yards, Woods another before 10 minutes had passed. The writing was on the wall well before Woods got on the end of an uncontested cross. How did Gus honestly believe that team last night could win the match. No punch, no creativity, a centre back at full back. We kept pumping 50 yard passes up to little lightweight CMS who was marked by the biggest defender I've seen since Mickey Droy. It was a joke!! We were never going to win the game with that team. It changed second half with Lua Lua's introduction and his goal gave us hope when there was none because up to that point we had not had a shot on target. Millwall probably aided and abetted our comeback by taking off Woods and trying to cling on to the lead. By dropping deeper they gave us possession in their half which eventually resulted in the penalty, all be it rather a soft one. We got out of jail to a degree, but didn't really warrant it. Ten draws to me represents twenty dropped points. I cant understand why Hoskins was left out, he was the player most likely to score last Saturday. I dont understand why Croft and Hammond are paired together when both are better defensively than offensively and we have the ever reliable Bridcutt already playing that role. I dont understand when we know we are playing a team with one man up front, we choose 3 centre halves to mark him. Woods showed us what we are missing and his two goals and movement in general were well worth the admission fee. I hope CMS and Barnes might learn from his movement. His run across the defender to get his first goal was sublime and totally opposite to Lua'Lua's first two contributions when he ran at and beat his man and fired a cross towards the 6 yard box, only to find CMS was still loitering at the far post. When CMS did finally make a near post run, he fluffed it. To score goals you have to create option in and around your opponents penalty box. No real surprise that with Buckley, Barnes, CMS, Hoskins and Lua Lua on the pitch we created chances. So Mr Gus, Why not start with a positive line-up in the first place and try and secure a lead that you can then hang on to and consolidate by bringing on defensive players. Surely that makes more sense if you acknowledge that draws will not get us into the play-offs.[/p][/quote]I only read hald your post, but quite a few flaws, not least of which is, as a point of order, Millwall took off Wood AFTER the equaliser, not before, and thus had no lead to cling onto at that point. And regarding your last point, creating leads which we then hold onto is not exactly our strong suit, is it? Old Scrote of the Amex

4:07pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Bushell says...

Fratsomerover - Before the game started and learning that Calderon and Bruno were injured I thought Adam was a realistic choice for right back as he had played there before and Dunk slotted in to the middle. It was obvious that it was not working after 15 minutes but I ask you this - who would you have played at right back then ? Dont say David Lopez because none of us knew how well he would play there in the second half !!!
Fratsomerover - Before the game started and learning that Calderon and Bruno were injured I thought Adam was a realistic choice for right back as he had played there before and Dunk slotted in to the middle. It was obvious that it was not working after 15 minutes but I ask you this - who would you have played at right back then ? Dont say David Lopez because none of us knew how well he would play there in the second half !!! Bushell

5:12pm Wed 19 Dec 12

DEN_WSU says...

Can people stop going on about signing Wood, yes he scored a good goal last night and yes he is young but do we really want to be watching people lump the ball at him all the time? Also please stop slating CMS, yes he has missed his chances this season but he has still scored 10 league goals in 19 games which is a better strike rate than most strikers in the league. For info Wood has only scored 10 goals himself this season in 17 starts so clearly is no better!
Can people stop going on about signing Wood, yes he scored a good goal last night and yes he is young but do we really want to be watching people lump the ball at him all the time? Also please stop slating CMS, yes he has missed his chances this season but he has still scored 10 league goals in 19 games which is a better strike rate than most strikers in the league. For info Wood has only scored 10 goals himself this season in 17 starts so clearly is no better! DEN_WSU

5:48pm Wed 19 Dec 12

fratsomrover says...

Bushell wrote:
Fratsomerover - Before the game started and learning that Calderon and Bruno were injured I thought Adam was a realistic choice for right back as he had played there before and Dunk slotted in to the middle. It was obvious that it was not working after 15 minutes but I ask you this - who would you have played at right back then ? Dont say David Lopez because none of us knew how well he would play there in the second half !!!
In the event, Lopez was a perfectly adequate right back. We may not have known but I'm sure Gus does. The point I was making was that as Wood's strike partner, Keogh,was not playing, it was not necessary to have such a defensive set-up when they were only playing one up front. El Abd is no full back, he's a good central defender but he can't attack, can't cross, can't dribble so he's a fish out of water at full back. The first goal came from a cross from the left that no-one bothered to block. We relinquished the initiative from the start with such a defensive set-up yet ironically could have been three or four down at half-time. We have to start winning at home and to win we have to attack teams and score goals. We looked far more likely to score on Saturday against Forest than we did last night. We also looked more likely to score after we brought on Lua Lua, Hoskins and Barnes, so why start with Dunk. There's no rule that says you have to play a back four when the opposition only play with one forward !!
[quote][p][bold]Bushell[/bold] wrote: Fratsomerover - Before the game started and learning that Calderon and Bruno were injured I thought Adam was a realistic choice for right back as he had played there before and Dunk slotted in to the middle. It was obvious that it was not working after 15 minutes but I ask you this - who would you have played at right back then ? Dont say David Lopez because none of us knew how well he would play there in the second half !!![/p][/quote]In the event, Lopez was a perfectly adequate right back. We may not have known but I'm sure Gus does. The point I was making was that as Wood's strike partner, Keogh,was not playing, it was not necessary to have such a defensive set-up when they were only playing one up front. El Abd is no full back, he's a good central defender but he can't attack, can't cross, can't dribble so he's a fish out of water at full back. The first goal came from a cross from the left that no-one bothered to block. We relinquished the initiative from the start with such a defensive set-up yet ironically could have been three or four down at half-time. We have to start winning at home and to win we have to attack teams and score goals. We looked far more likely to score on Saturday against Forest than we did last night. We also looked more likely to score after we brought on Lua Lua, Hoskins and Barnes, so why start with Dunk. There's no rule that says you have to play a back four when the opposition only play with one forward !! fratsomrover

5:58pm Wed 19 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

Gus's time may be running out.
3 wins in 16 now. 1 win in 6. Hopeless at home.
Worrying thing is I think we've got a fairly decent squad but poor team selection and bad tactics are costing us points week in week out.
An away game at Blackburn next followed by a home match against Watford. Both hard fixtures - remember we haven't won a single match at home against a top half side all season.
On the BBC site GP is quoted as saying the championship is very average this season. I agree but the Albion find it hard to win a game in it.
Realistically I think we have to stop thinking about promotion this year. It's a looking a very big ask now. We've underperformed this year. No progress from last season at all, Very disappointing.
Makes you wonder how much cash TB will want to give GP in January.
Gus's time may be running out. 3 wins in 16 now. 1 win in 6. Hopeless at home. Worrying thing is I think we've got a fairly decent squad but poor team selection and bad tactics are costing us points week in week out. An away game at Blackburn next followed by a home match against Watford. Both hard fixtures - remember we haven't won a single match at home against a top half side all season. On the BBC site GP is quoted as saying the championship is very average this season. I agree but the Albion find it hard to win a game in it. Realistically I think we have to stop thinking about promotion this year. It's a looking a very big ask now. We've underperformed this year. No progress from last season at all, Very disappointing. Makes you wonder how much cash TB will want to give GP in January. sussexram40

6:21pm Wed 19 Dec 12

tug509 says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Gus's time may be running out.
3 wins in 16 now. 1 win in 6. Hopeless at home.
Worrying thing is I think we've got a fairly decent squad but poor team selection and bad tactics are costing us points week in week out.
An away game at Blackburn next followed by a home match against Watford. Both hard fixtures - remember we haven't won a single match at home against a top half side all season.
On the BBC site GP is quoted as saying the championship is very average this season. I agree but the Albion find it hard to win a game in it.
Realistically I think we have to stop thinking about promotion this year. It's a looking a very big ask now. We've underperformed this year. No progress from last season at all, Very disappointing.
Makes you wonder how much cash TB will want to give GP in January.
Unyet we still have "supporters" like you.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Gus's time may be running out. 3 wins in 16 now. 1 win in 6. Hopeless at home. Worrying thing is I think we've got a fairly decent squad but poor team selection and bad tactics are costing us points week in week out. An away game at Blackburn next followed by a home match against Watford. Both hard fixtures - remember we haven't won a single match at home against a top half side all season. On the BBC site GP is quoted as saying the championship is very average this season. I agree but the Albion find it hard to win a game in it. Realistically I think we have to stop thinking about promotion this year. It's a looking a very big ask now. We've underperformed this year. No progress from last season at all, Very disappointing. Makes you wonder how much cash TB will want to give GP in January.[/p][/quote]Unyet we still have "supporters" like you. tug509

6:54pm Wed 19 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

Don't you find it frustrating listening to or watching last night's game? Match after match thinking we will turn the corner but we never do? How long do you accept things before wanting change?
Can anyone say hand on heart they are confident we will get a result at Blackburn and beat Watford at the Amex? Things that have to happen if we are to arrest the decline.
My view is that things need fixing fast and if they aren't fixed there has to be a change in personnel. I expect GP will be allowed to perform surgery in January and his future will hinge on the outcome of that operation.
I wonder if Ian Dowie would be a possibility if we do need to look elsewhere.
Don't you find it frustrating listening to or watching last night's game? Match after match thinking we will turn the corner but we never do? How long do you accept things before wanting change? Can anyone say hand on heart they are confident we will get a result at Blackburn and beat Watford at the Amex? Things that have to happen if we are to arrest the decline. My view is that things need fixing fast and if they aren't fixed there has to be a change in personnel. I expect GP will be allowed to perform surgery in January and his future will hinge on the outcome of that operation. I wonder if Ian Dowie would be a possibility if we do need to look elsewhere. sussexram40

7:09pm Wed 19 Dec 12

tug509 says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Don't you find it frustrating listening to or watching last night's game? Match after match thinking we will turn the corner but we never do? How long do you accept things before wanting change?
Can anyone say hand on heart they are confident we will get a result at Blackburn and beat Watford at the Amex? Things that have to happen if we are to arrest the decline.
My view is that things need fixing fast and if they aren't fixed there has to be a change in personnel. I expect GP will be allowed to perform surgery in January and his future will hinge on the outcome of that operation.
I wonder if Ian Dowie would be a possibility if we do need to look elsewhere.
I agree with most of what yo have to say,but while supporting a club doesn`t mean being blind to its short comings ,it does mean you dont sell it down the river at the first sign of trouble.
At the moment we are having an indifferent period,palace are having a ball,guess what ,neither will last.
All the great posters who stay with ,and keep the faith are the true fans.
Thats not to say that if you criticize ,you aren`t a fan,but i again refer to those that point out ,how far we have come.
Teams in our league look up to us as a guide ,on how to play the game,K Jacket last night said we are the best they`ve met. Even after a nightmare start.
I know you are a troll or wum ,but why would we want Ian Dowie when we`ve got Gus. UTA
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Don't you find it frustrating listening to or watching last night's game? Match after match thinking we will turn the corner but we never do? How long do you accept things before wanting change? Can anyone say hand on heart they are confident we will get a result at Blackburn and beat Watford at the Amex? Things that have to happen if we are to arrest the decline. My view is that things need fixing fast and if they aren't fixed there has to be a change in personnel. I expect GP will be allowed to perform surgery in January and his future will hinge on the outcome of that operation. I wonder if Ian Dowie would be a possibility if we do need to look elsewhere.[/p][/quote]I agree with most of what yo have to say,but while supporting a club doesn`t mean being blind to its short comings ,it does mean you dont sell it down the river at the first sign of trouble. At the moment we are having an indifferent period,palace are having a ball,guess what ,neither will last. All the great posters who stay with ,and keep the faith are the true fans. Thats not to say that if you criticize ,you aren`t a fan,but i again refer to those that point out ,how far we have come. Teams in our league look up to us as a guide ,on how to play the game,K Jacket last night said we are the best they`ve met. Even after a nightmare start. I know you are a troll or wum ,but why would we want Ian Dowie when we`ve got Gus. UTA tug509

7:47pm Wed 19 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

DEN_WSU wrote:
Can people stop going on about signing Wood, yes he scored a good goal last night and yes he is young but do we really want to be watching people lump the ball at him all the time? Also please stop slating CMS, yes he has missed his chances this season but he has still scored 10 league goals in 19 games which is a better strike rate than most strikers in the league. For info Wood has only scored 10 goals himself this season in 17 starts so clearly is no better!
Yes but the ratio of goals to chances is low, Murray on the other hand is probably 65% of his, I would think cms is on about 30% not good enough, that's not to say he won't improve, but he needs to convert one on one chances.
[quote][p][bold]DEN_WSU[/bold] wrote: Can people stop going on about signing Wood, yes he scored a good goal last night and yes he is young but do we really want to be watching people lump the ball at him all the time? Also please stop slating CMS, yes he has missed his chances this season but he has still scored 10 league goals in 19 games which is a better strike rate than most strikers in the league. For info Wood has only scored 10 goals himself this season in 17 starts so clearly is no better![/p][/quote]Yes but the ratio of goals to chances is low, Murray on the other hand is probably 65% of his, I would think cms is on about 30% not good enough, that's not to say he won't improve, but he needs to convert one on one chances. mark by the sea

8:06pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Far gull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
DEN_WSU wrote:
Can people stop going on about signing Wood, yes he scored a good goal last night and yes he is young but do we really want to be watching people lump the ball at him all the time? Also please stop slating CMS, yes he has missed his chances this season but he has still scored 10 league goals in 19 games which is a better strike rate than most strikers in the league. For info Wood has only scored 10 goals himself this season in 17 starts so clearly is no better!
Yes but the ratio of goals to chances is low, Murray on the other hand is probably 65% of his, I would think cms is on about 30% not good enough, that's not to say he won't improve, but he needs to convert one on one chances.
Could not agree more.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEN_WSU[/bold] wrote: Can people stop going on about signing Wood, yes he scored a good goal last night and yes he is young but do we really want to be watching people lump the ball at him all the time? Also please stop slating CMS, yes he has missed his chances this season but he has still scored 10 league goals in 19 games which is a better strike rate than most strikers in the league. For info Wood has only scored 10 goals himself this season in 17 starts so clearly is no better![/p][/quote]Yes but the ratio of goals to chances is low, Murray on the other hand is probably 65% of his, I would think cms is on about 30% not good enough, that's not to say he won't improve, but he needs to convert one on one chances.[/p][/quote]Could not agree more. Far gull

8:29pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

mark by the sea wrote:
DEN_WSU wrote:
Can people stop going on about signing Wood, yes he scored a good goal last night and yes he is young but do we really want to be watching people lump the ball at him all the time? Also please stop slating CMS, yes he has missed his chances this season but he has still scored 10 league goals in 19 games which is a better strike rate than most strikers in the league. For info Wood has only scored 10 goals himself this season in 17 starts so clearly is no better!
Yes but the ratio of goals to chances is low, Murray on the other hand is probably 65% of his, I would think cms is on about 30% not good enough, that's not to say he won't improve, but he needs to convert one on one chances.
No striker in the world has a strike rate of 65%. Even Lionel Messi (probably the only striker better than Glenn Murray if you go by the experts on this website) has a shots:goals ratio this season of only 30% (83 shots, 25 goals, according to ESPN) and he would have had more chances than shots, thus lowering his percentage even further.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEN_WSU[/bold] wrote: Can people stop going on about signing Wood, yes he scored a good goal last night and yes he is young but do we really want to be watching people lump the ball at him all the time? Also please stop slating CMS, yes he has missed his chances this season but he has still scored 10 league goals in 19 games which is a better strike rate than most strikers in the league. For info Wood has only scored 10 goals himself this season in 17 starts so clearly is no better![/p][/quote]Yes but the ratio of goals to chances is low, Murray on the other hand is probably 65% of his, I would think cms is on about 30% not good enough, that's not to say he won't improve, but he needs to convert one on one chances.[/p][/quote]No striker in the world has a strike rate of 65%. Even Lionel Messi (probably the only striker better than Glenn Murray if you go by the experts on this website) has a shots:goals ratio this season of only 30% (83 shots, 25 goals, according to ESPN) and he would have had more chances than shots, thus lowering his percentage even further. Old Scrote of the Amex

9:48pm Wed 19 Dec 12

tonytowner1 says...

5 - 7 times a season Gus gets it completely wrong - we as fans hear the line up on the radio or wherever and simply think "oh no"!! - it's called each time an overly defensive, non adventurous, back foot, non incisive line up each time - stares us in the face but oddly, not Gus!!
5 - 7 times a season Gus gets it completely wrong - we as fans hear the line up on the radio or wherever and simply think "oh no"!! - it's called each time an overly defensive, non adventurous, back foot, non incisive line up each time - stares us in the face but oddly, not Gus!! tonytowner1

12:05am Thu 20 Dec 12

WisdomSpeaks says...

Interesting that at last a number of posts are seeing through Gus' smoke screen character. Gus apologised for getting it wrong because he also senses people are waking up - and the players are working him out too and he's starting to crap himself. I think he realises there won't ever be a top Premiership club after him so he might have to let go of that idea.

Crowd down by 2,000 plus. These are very strong signs - not about Christmas shopping either. Let's forget about new players for a while - Gus has spent a small fortune on buying players who he told us were going to prevent us dropping away like we did last season and that is exactly what has happened again.

Ever since he repeated his claim that 'this team is not good enough for the Premiership' we started falling away last season and now this season when he repeated that claim despite us being in the promotion positions at the time and the same thing has happened.

I saw a distinct lack of spirit when the game started on Tuesday - there was no energy there. Even Wayne Bridge who used to bomb up that wing and the midfield were ineffective.

We are desperate for a proper coach. Someone who is a really accomplished coach. I really believe that if we had that, this group of players could be really something. Gus seems to destroy confidence by the things he says and how he treats players and the constant chopping and changing.

We need a manager to be unafraid of having top quality underneath him and not just 'yes men'. Gus is so fearful of not being liked it's obvious. There are so many little giveaways like calling all the players by their little matey nick names - it sounds so unprofessional hearing a manager refer to 'Bucker', 'Macca', 'Ash', 'Kaz' etc etc. It's a sign he wants to be 'matey' with the players which never works. Imagine SAF saying 'Wazza', 'Batman', 'Giggsy', 'Scholesy' it just wouldn't happen.

I'm afraid if he gets money to blow in January we might live to regret it. He's too hotheaded to be a great manager and that's the biggest problem.

We have a wonderful club, devoted Chairman, facilities and training facilities to come - now let's get the quality of coaching staff which those facilities deserve.

I noticed on Saturday and Tuesday the usual 'conditioning coach' was not present and a new face is in the middle of the warm up routine. Anyone know what happened to Miller?

I'm not even bothering to talk about the game because if we don't get the real problem sorted we'll be chasing dreams and going bankrupt.

I actually really feel for Gus because I think he is so clearly out of his depth it's sad to witness. He was OK at Div 1 level where a lot of the players are a bit like some of our fans and posters on this site. They get carried away by big name ex players and put them on a pedestal. Then they become blind to what's going on. Remember Kipling's words in his poem 'If' which someone reproduced earlier in the season. 'If ALL men count with you - BUT NONE TOO MUCH! Very true words.
Interesting that at last a number of posts are seeing through Gus' smoke screen character. Gus apologised for getting it wrong because he also senses people are waking up - and the players are working him out too and he's starting to crap himself. I think he realises there won't ever be a top Premiership club after him so he might have to let go of that idea. Crowd down by 2,000 plus. These are very strong signs - not about Christmas shopping either. Let's forget about new players for a while - Gus has spent a small fortune on buying players who he told us were going to prevent us dropping away like we did last season and that is exactly what has happened again. Ever since he repeated his claim that 'this team is not good enough for the Premiership' we started falling away last season and now this season when he repeated that claim despite us being in the promotion positions at the time and the same thing has happened. I saw a distinct lack of spirit when the game started on Tuesday - there was no energy there. Even Wayne Bridge who used to bomb up that wing and the midfield were ineffective. We are desperate for a proper coach. Someone who is a really accomplished coach. I really believe that if we had that, this group of players could be really something. Gus seems to destroy confidence by the things he says and how he treats players and the constant chopping and changing. We need a manager to be unafraid of having top quality underneath him and not just 'yes men'. Gus is so fearful of not being liked it's obvious. There are so many little giveaways like calling all the players by their little matey nick names - it sounds so unprofessional hearing a manager refer to 'Bucker', 'Macca', 'Ash', 'Kaz' etc etc. It's a sign he wants to be 'matey' with the players which never works. Imagine SAF saying 'Wazza', 'Batman', 'Giggsy', 'Scholesy' it just wouldn't happen. I'm afraid if he gets money to blow in January we might live to regret it. He's too hotheaded to be a great manager and that's the biggest problem. We have a wonderful club, devoted Chairman, facilities and training facilities to come - now let's get the quality of coaching staff which those facilities deserve. I noticed on Saturday and Tuesday the usual 'conditioning coach' was not present and a new face is in the middle of the warm up routine. Anyone know what happened to Miller? I'm not even bothering to talk about the game because if we don't get the real problem sorted we'll be chasing dreams and going bankrupt. I actually really feel for Gus because I think he is so clearly out of his depth it's sad to witness. He was OK at Div 1 level where a lot of the players are a bit like some of our fans and posters on this site. They get carried away by big name ex players and put them on a pedestal. Then they become blind to what's going on. Remember Kipling's words in his poem 'If' which someone reproduced earlier in the season. 'If ALL men count with you - BUT NONE TOO MUCH! Very true words. WisdomSpeaks

2:28am Thu 20 Dec 12

Baldseagull says...

Not a lot of wisdom in what you speak.
The results have not gone our way but we have been the better team in most of the games I have seen and but for the thickness of the goal posts (as Tuesday) could/should have won at least half the games we've drawn.
That extra 10 points would have us in the top two.
We will start finding the inside of the posts soon and putting 4 or 5 past teams, and when we do, we wont look much different than we do right now.
Not a lot of wisdom in what you speak. The results have not gone our way but we have been the better team in most of the games I have seen and but for the thickness of the goal posts (as Tuesday) could/should have won at least half the games we've drawn. That extra 10 points would have us in the top two. We will start finding the inside of the posts soon and putting 4 or 5 past teams, and when we do, we wont look much different than we do right now. Baldseagull

1:34pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Agreed Baldseagull, more like Norman Wisdom than wisdom speaks.
Agreed Baldseagull, more like Norman Wisdom than wisdom speaks. Hovite

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